I know I can measure anything at any time (range, movement, arcs, etc.) so long as I only use one range ruler or maneuver tool, but can I use both?

I was going up against a ship with only blue dice, so what I did was put the range ruler on the table with one end touching the enemy ship, then I fiddled with the maneuver tool to make sure I ended up OUTSIDE the blue-dice range. By the time I moved the ship, obviously, both range ruler and maneuver tool were on the table. Is this acceptable or am I breaking some rule? RRG p.9 Premeasuring doesn't say anything about using both at the same time.

Pretty sure there is a rule about not "triangulating" in the RRG which means you cannot use both at the same time.

You can not have multiple measuring tools out on the table at the same time.

It would fall under the 'no triangulation' rule, so it's a no-go.

I was about to give the same answers I see here when I first read the question. But when I tryed to find a reference in the rules or FAQ I failed misserably. I'm pretty sure I have read it some where, but now I can not find anything in RRG or FAQ about this.

Has the "no triangulation" rule gone missing or am I just blind?

I was about to give the same answers I see here when I first read the question. But when I tryed to find a reference in the rules or FAQ I failed misserably. I'm pretty sure I have read it some where, but now I can not find anything in RRG or FAQ about this.

Has the "no triangulation" rule gone missing or am I just blind?

I would suggest the tournament rules doc. It references triangulation specifically.

Aha, ofcource! The one document I didn't think to look in Thanks!

I thought triangulation was for using two range rulers... in fact, that paragraph starts with "cannot use multiple rulers or maneuver tools" so I though using one ruler and one maneuver tool would be okay. The only thing that confuses me is "or to triangulate measurements" and at this point, I will pull out my "English is not my first language" excuse card

I thought triangulation was for using two range rulers... in fact, that paragraph starts with "cannot use multiple rulers or maneuver tools" so I though using one ruler and one maneuver tool would be okay. The only thing that confuses me is "or to triangulate measurements" and at this point, I will pull out my "English is not my first language" excuse card

The intent of the rule is to avoid the game becoming a tedious exercise in geometry

It's not tedious if I do it!

Put range ruler down beside enemy ship.

Put maneuver tool down near my ship, bending at the right joints to end up where I want to be which is out of his range.

Move my ship.

Done.

Really, deciding WHICH ship to activate first ("hmmm... if I do this, he'll do that... no, no, activate THIS first... but that means he might do that.... which ship has the most damage again? okay, so I might want to take him down first.... but what's my range to his capital ship? ****, I'm gonna have to activate this first..... or maybe not...") takes much longer than this triangulation business.

If you do it that way, then you are measuring beyond the range of a single tool, which is also against the rules. Either way, you cannot do legally what you're trying to do.

If you do it that way, then you are measuring beyond the range of a single tool, which is also against the rules. Either way, you cannot do legally what you're trying to do.

Huh? Where'd you get that from? I'm only using one range ruler and one maneuver tool. The rules say multiple rulers or multiple maneuver tools, they don't say "you may not use the range ruler and maneuver tool at the same time."

A player cannot use multiple rulers or maneuver tools to

measure additional range, distance, or movement beyond the

length of a single tool or to triangulate measurements.

If you use both maneuver tool and range ruler, you are using more then "a single tool".

And if you lay down the range ruler from an enemy ship, and your ship is past that, and then fiddle with the maneuver tool, you're measuring past a single tool as well. Either way, not legal IMO.

If you play on a star field it's quite easy to remember which star your measuring tool comes up to and then range from there.