I'm not going to argue the intent, just the lack of clear launguage leading to an exploit. I've already seen it successfully argues this way on BGG. I'll email them regardless and ask it to be FAQd

If you MFMF then you have performed both your attacks after executing a maneuver. Demolisher only allowes you to perform 1 of your attacks after executing a amneuver.

It doesn't say "you can attack after..." it says you can "you can performe 1 of your attacks after...".

But it doesn't does it?

It says:

""During your activation, you can perform 1 of your attacks after you execute a maneuver."

Which doesn't in any way rule out MFMF using engine techs. In fact the only thing it says is that you can only use 1 attack after a manauever. Given that engine techs lets you move twice, the cards allow MFMF. I don't feel it was written to allow that to happen but the lose wording does allow it.

I'm sorry, but you are purposefully reading something into the text that isn't there. There wording is about as tight as it gets - offering no room for interpretation really.

Seriously - 1) you don't need to apologise.

2) I don't want this to happen, I consider it an exploit, but it is there.

3) The language is not clear - not at all. "During your activation, you can perform 1 of your attacks after you execute a maneuver." - " A

I think it's really down to the order of wording. If it said "After you perform a manoeuvre you can preform 1 of your attacks" then I'd agree with MFMF. Because if starts by telling you how many attacks you can perform out of order (1 of them) and then tells you which situation you can use it in (after performing a manoeuvre) I think the argument for MFMF comes from interpreting the rule too vaguely. MFM or MMF are both options with the wording set out like this, but not MFMF.

Hopefully see them confirm this in the FAQ, as a quick reading of the card could leave people running it the wrong way.

Until a FAQ entry appears, we have this:

https://community.fantasyflightgames.com/topic/176583-interaction-between-demolisher-and-engine-techs/?p=1646713

Going to have to point out the launguage here - the player would not be "performing both of their attacks after executing a manauvere" you would be performing one of your attacks after a manauever. Then, you'd be performing one of your attacks after a manauever. It's says "one of". The launguage is definite.

If you do MFMF, the you most definitley have used both your attacks after executing a maneuver. Not the same maneuver, but still after a maneuver. The card is very specific in telling you that only 1 of your attacks can come after a maneuver.

The Demolisher grants you the ability to make one attack outside of the normal attack window.

If you move, shoot, move, shoot; how many attacks have you made after moving? The answer is more then the Demolisher title says you can make.

But it doesn't does it?

It says:

""During your activation, you can perform 1 of your attacks after you execute a maneuver."

Which doesn't in any way rule out MFMF using engine techs. In fact the only thing it says is that you can only use 1 attack after a manauever. Given that engine techs lets you move twice, the cards allow MFMF. I don't feel it was written to allow that to happen but the lose wording does allow it.

I'm sorry, but you are purposefully reading something into the text that isn't there. There wording is about as tight as it gets - offering no room for interpretation really.

Green Knight is exactly right. Your trying to get the card to say what you want it to say not what the two upgrades do.

What you guys are missing out on is the first phrase of the Demolisher card: " During your activation , you can perform 1 of your attacks after you execute a maneuver."

Note that it does **NOT** say "You can perform 1 of your attacks after you execute a maneuver" in which case move-shoot-move-shoot is possible.

That first phrase means that when you activate your ship, you can perform one attack after moving. Whether it's move-shoot or move-move-shoot (with Engine Techs), that is legal. When you move-shoot-move-shoot.... you are now performing TWO attacks after executing a maneuver, but you've only activated the ship once. Therefore.... one activation = one attack after moving.

Thank you Intys. I was wondering why no one was mentioning that. That is the part I think Tetsugaku was missing. The rules are clear that you can only use an ability once per opportunity and "During your activation..." Is that opportunity.

Hahaha.... my brain works sometimes, and this is proof!