As a TO I would be inclined to not allow player A to participate in future events.

Because God forbid the game not be THE most important thing. We don't know any he left...and without that info Nome of us can really make any judgment here.

We do know, he had to go to work.

Ok what does he do? A good friend of mine is assigned to the SWAT team and is on 24 hour call 7 days a week. My brother is an EMT who can get called in at almost any time. There are TONs of jobs where no warning call UPS happen all the time...so he had to go to work? Great what does he do and why did he have to go right then? We don't know...but hey he's playing a game! Of xwing!!! Bragging rights and prizes might be involved!!! Obviously this trumps his silly little job!!!

My work requires I be on call as well. We carry hotspot devices and our laptops should we get paged and need to stop what I am doing to address that. Work pays for X-Wing, so you should always have your priorities straight.

That being said, if he knew going into the tournament that he'd have to drop, it's kind of a jerk move.

I was at the event and I can say I was bothered by it.

The player knew all day how late he could stay, having mentioned it to several people throughout the day, so this wasn't a doctor or a SWAT team member rushing off to save the world.

Was it meant with malice or poor intent? Nope. But it was poor player form. And it heavily effected top players in the tournament. The guy was in third or fourth when he got a full win so he's winning games for sure but the free win and the break are a pretty big deal. Plus the guy playing wanted to be playing. And he would have been had the other player informed the TO.

Nobody wants to win that way and it would have been easy to have avoided the situation.

Ok, i will be agreeing with the guys who say we should punish such action. If they ban conceding from games at any level of course. Because you have to play 75 mins and cant concede a game for any reason. Or the guy in next table might get sad.

Btw, your post title was a little click-baitery, since "this" leave so much to the imagination. Did the store have a raffle for a $1000 gift certificate? Did they have a round two half time show with strippers?

I think you could help the readers out by titling your post "Is Tournament Forfetiture Illegal" or something similar. It's a lot more specific. Just my $.02.

If one guy leaves, whether before pairings or after - wouldn't that still leave somebody without an opponent either way? Not seeing how the timing of his departure would have not resulted in the same thing...but I haven't had much coffee today

If one guy leaves, whether before pairings or after - wouldn't that still leave somebody without an opponent either way? Not seeing how the timing of his departure would have not resulted in the same thing...but I haven't had much coffee today

50/50 chance. If the numbers were even then the only difference would be who gets the bye, not sure but I think byes for uneven numbers are random. If the numbers were odd, and if he dropped before the pairings, it would actually prevent 2 people from not having opponents.

Byes for uneven rounds also go to the last place player that has not had a bye. Part of the perk of performing even half way decent in an event is that you will not get the random bye.

A player concedes a match and it turns into this?

People here seem to put way too much stock into a single event. As the competitive community grows and people get better at the game, even the best players will have to accept that they will get into the top 8 less than 50% of the time.

One dude gets an extra 'bye' because the other guy had to go to work and people are worried about it because it may have, in one set of circumstances, affected their placement?

And then a person as a TO would ban someone from an already relatively small community from events because of this single thing?

Good gracious. What a terrible way to present the social aspect of the tournament scene. It is like the news, people don't remember the good things people say, only the bad.

Since the guy knew he had to leave prior to sitting down at the table it was a poor move and he should have dropped at the end of his last match. If the OPs description is accurate it sounds like he got a kick out of the grand magnanimous gesture.

People here seem to put way too much stock into a single event. As the competitive community grows and people get better at the game, even the best players will have to accept that they will get into the top 8 less than 50% of the time.

One dude gets an extra 'bye' because the other guy had to go to work and people are worried about it because it may have, in one set of circumstances, affected their placement?

And then a person as a TO would ban someone from an already relatively small community from events because of this single thing?

Good gracious. What a terrible way to present the social aspect of the tournament scene. It is like the news, people don't remember the good things people say, only the bad.

As a TO I expect the players to show a basic level of respect for the event. Deliberately waiting until after pairings are set is not doing that.

So you can't concede until 5 min after the game starts?
15 min?
Or if our game finishes at min 10 we have to sit there for until the appropriate amount of time passes?
Or what if i choose the wrong maneuvre and put my fat han out of battle by a mistake, now am i forced to play the game?


You are trying to define and punish a behavior that you deem inappropriate, when the inappropriateness of the behavior is even in question.

Could it be slightly disrespectful to other players? Maybe
Should we ban that persons attendance in future events? IF you punish every drop and concede at any point of the game why not, go nuts.

Banning concession(conceding?) doesn't make sense. The issue is not concession it is handing a player a win with no intention to contest the game and knowing prior to the start of the match that you were dropping out.

Also FWIW if a player concedes 1 min into game it's a 200 MOV. A bye is 150.

If he knew before hand, he should have let the TO know and someone else could have played.

Just good sportsmanship and common courtesy.

Hey everyone

Thanks for the discussion.

Didn't mean it to become a heated debate

I'm just wondering what steps if any can be done to prevent things like this happening

I'm not upset about it at all.

Actually everyone at the event was great.

A good bunch that I enjoy playing with when we travel.

I think it's just a little inconsiderate to others that if your not going to be able to finish and have to leave, the proper thing to do is leave before pairings, not right after the game starts and give someone a free win

It can skew the results big time

Who know maybe if that player had a different opponent and lost maybe I would have made top 8 ( I doubt it though my MoV was God awful, but still never know lol)

I was just wondering if the community thinks doing such a thing at a premium event is a big deal, and what steps could be put in place to prevent such a thing from happening at future events

To some players who live close by, maybe no big deal, but remember, people travel, take time off work, spend money on hotels and etc to attend these events, so a little courtesy would be nice

In order to make it fair for everyone who attends.

And as far as I'm aware he wasn't on call.

He was scheduled to work and knew well before the event started what time he had to work

Really my main concern is that the guy paid to play X number of games and had one taken away. I would rather lose 0-200 than spend my limited free time getting free wins.

Not a big deal though, really.

Knowing there's a time you have to leave and still taking part just rubs me the wrong way, your knocking people out that other wise may of made a higher place and you cant even finish the event.

People here seem to put way too much stock into a single event. As the competitive community grows and people get better at the game, even the best players will have to accept that they will get into the top 8 less than 50% of the time.

One dude gets an extra 'bye' because the other guy had to go to work and people are worried about it because it may have, in one set of circumstances, affected their placement?

And then a person as a TO would ban someone from an already relatively small community from events because of this single thing?

Good gracious. What a terrible way to present the social aspect of the tournament scene. It is like the news, people don't remember the good things people say, only the bad.

As a TO I expect the players to show a basic level of respect for the event. Deliberately waiting until after pairings are set is not doing that.

Your proposed punishment doesn't fit the transgression. If you were a TO at my store and you were banning players from events for something as small as that, you wouldn't be a TO anymore.

As a TO, the appropriate response would be to ask the player not to do it again and make a note to mention at the start of your next few events that if you know you need to leave, please drop from the event before pairings are set.

I agree, good sportsmanship to everyone in the event would dictate that you drop before pairings. Banning a player from an event for conceding once is bad for the image of your events, your store, and the game.

It's bad form for the player to concede like that when he knew he couldn't play. He should've just dropped. It messes with the rest of everyone there.

Knowing there's a time you have to leave and still taking part just rubs me the wrong way.

There is IMO nothing wrong with showing up for part of a tournament. I wouldn't do it, but it happens to people all the time.

In this case the only thing the person really did wrong was not dropping before the match started. He should of done that before the pairings were set.

Previous threads on sportsmanship had a rather vocal group claiming that there is no such thing: either something was allowed or it wasn't. Following that logic, the only thing to do here is see if conceding is allowed. If it is, then the player in question did nothing wrong...correct?

Or might we conclude that one's behaviour can be within the rules but still unsportsmanlike?

Instead of conceding maybe he should have just going through with setup having all of his ships pointed at him. That way we he started Activating he would have just lost all of his ships immediately due to "poor flying." No concession there just a terrible pilot who didn't know up from down.

You can argue against concessions all you like but there is no way to really prevent it. If someone want's to lose it is pretty easy to do. Maybe one just needs to recognize some of these conditions and accept that they are going to be part of a tournament scene especially as things get more serious.

Instead of conceding maybe he should have just going through with setup having all of his ships pointed at him. That way we he started Activating he would have just lost all of his ships immediately due to "poor flying." No concession there just a terrible pilot who didn't know up from down.

You can argue against concessions all you like but there is no way to really prevent it. If someone want's to lose it is pretty easy to do. Maybe one just needs to recognize some of these conditions and accept that they are going to be part of a tournament scene especially as things get more serious.

This example is actually worse, forcefully putting your ships off the board on turn 1 is against the rules. I think he was fine as is. Sure it might have ticked a few people off but there can only be one winner and the people he beat just didn't do well enough that set of matches.

Instead of conceding maybe he should have just going through with setup having all of his ships pointed at him. That way we he started Activating he would have just lost all of his ships immediately due to "poor flying." No concession there just a terrible pilot who didn't know up from down.

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This example is actually worse, forcefully putting your ships off the board on turn 1 is against the rules. I think he was fine as is. Sure it might have ticked a few people off but there can only be one winner and the people he beat just didn't do well enough that set of matches.

It is? Where does it say that?

I don't see anything wrong with the concession although I also agree that Withdrawing before pairing would have made the most sense. When it comes to concessions I actually believe there should be a second option that doesn't count as a wipe for the person conceding.