I guess it was round 4 out of 5

Pairings were done and time was on

At one of the top tables player A asked player B how he'd like to win.

Not sure player b response but player A said

"congratulations you won" and left to go to work.

This seems so wrong

I do not know if they knew each other.

But player A (who won tournament) basically got two full byes

One from winning a store championship

The other from player A who forfeit as soon as round 4 started.

So I ask

Why wouldn't player A just drop out before pairings?

Or

If you know you have to work, why play at all, since you know your likely not going to be able to finish

Even if the two players don't know one another it does in a way look bad for the other player. Maybe they were friends?

I guess when this happened, it was ok by the TO.

Which at this point what could he have done?

The time had started and everyone was already playing their opponent.

The TO could have repaired but again we were already playing from what I can remember

I've heard this happens a lot in magic tournaments.

Two or three players go to tournaments.

Designate someone to try and boost, and if the other two get matched up against that player they hand them the game.

Not to say that is what happened here, but would there be some way to implement a rule or something like this from happening at premier events?

I don't think it would have effected my game any as I got 9th place, but certainly would effect someone

Really messes up the MoV standings as now that player got full win and 200 MoV

If they know each other it is colusion which is against tournament rules

Maybe he saw the list and knew it was 200-0 anyways.

No big deal at all

Overreaction. Sounds to me player A came out for fun with knowledge they couldn't win. If you are saying that with that knowledge they shouldn't have played then some one hundred or so players should drop out of GenCon now.

Drop outs happen often in many sports and games. It happens for many reasons.

Although names/places aren't given, this sounds alot like my regional experience last weekend, to which I will comment.

To the op:

Player A conceded. Player B had no choice in the matter, even after Player B immediatley took the matter to the T.O. and pointed out that Player A should have dropped before pairings. The lowest score at that point should have got the bye.

And, it should be noted player B play tested his but off against the meta in preparation for regionals, and to penalize him for another opponents actions (player A, whom player B had never met before this event) would be the wrong answer.

So lessons learned here;

- Let the T.O know before the pairings are started if you are going to have to drop from the event. Offering a concede to a an opponent may seem like cool thing to do. But when you give the concede to an opponent at a regionals, who won two store championships, and is know locally as being a competitive player, player A wasn't doing anyone any favors by conceding.

- Coming to this public form and suggesting that there was collusion in this matter is slanderous.

- Take yer salty post and shove it

Sounds like player A was an emergency room doctor, who wasn't expecting to be on call that day, and hoped for the best when sadly the page came in and he realized after the game had begun that he had to leave immediately. And if it wasn't something like that, I'm the kind of person that assumes that whatever the reason was, it was probably something akin to that. That way I don't lose sleep over it - I just prefer to assume the best, rather than the worst of people.

For the dude who got the "practically" free win, it was an easy win. That doesn't make the games that I play any different, so I try not to begrudge someone their good fortune.

Fair enough

Then I guess it no big deal

Now if they knew one another (which that I can't say) Ya, that be cheating

But still why not just drop out before pairing?

If anything I feel it is a little inconsiderate to other players.

Especially those who travel from away.

4-5 hour drive

If it was me, and I knew I had to leave soon, I wouldn't wait till I was paired up.

I'd have let the TO know I had to leave, therefore wouldn't skew the MoV.

As for gencon I assume that if players do drop out, it's not at the start of their games, but before pairings

There were some who did drop put at our event, and did so before pairings

While not during a tournament, I've had family emergencies, etc. come up just after "committing" to a game. Absent other evidence, I'd fly casual and assume that A was just making the best of a bad situation.

After all, if B went on to win it, then A probably had an unbeaten record at that point, and was having to miss out on two bought-and-paid-for tournament games, with a shot at prizes. That sucks without being accused of collusion on top of it.

This was the Regionals in Fredericton.

And Krynn, to be fair I expect most drop outs happen before pairings as well. Depending on the system used for pairing people up it sometimes still doesn't matter and people end up with byes. I just don't see it to be something to get worked up about.

Tournaments and events can be a place of great frustration if you let it get to you. Personally, my last event a judge flipped a win for me to a loss and even though I was undefeated on the day I officially placed quite low and out of the prizes. I think I was less concerned than the judge and other players who hung around after. I like doing well, but it's a game, my placing doesn't equate to sponsorship dollars so fun is going to mean more long run.

Round 6 at my recent regional my opponent never showed, granted we had losing records and no shot at prizes, but my point is it happens. Maybe he got he got called in early right as the round started, no way to be sure of collusion unless someone actually knows one of the players involved. Better to assume the best.

Fair enough

Then I guess it no big deal

Now if they knew one another (which that I can't say) Ya, that be cheating

But still why not just drop out before pairing?

If anything I feel it is a little inconsiderate to other players.

Especially those who travel from away.

4-5 hour drive

If it was me, and I knew I had to leave soon, I wouldn't wait till I was paired up.

I'd have let the TO know I had to leave, therefore wouldn't skew the MoV.

As for gencon I assume that if players do drop out, it's not at the start of their games, but before pairings

There were some who did drop put at our event, and did so before pairings

No issue at all. Krynn posting this is just causing unnecessary drama. Please reconsider next time.

It's sucky that he knew he had work but took part anyway but it doesn't seem like he left for nefarious reasons.

I can confirm the players didn't know eachother. Really the only thing that should have been differently is the player who was leaving should have informed the TO before pairings were done.

I have found that it is dangerous to make assumptions in these kinds of stories.

I was not present at the Regional event in Fredericton but I have met the player B in this scenario. He is a phenomenal player who consistently hands my butt to me on a silver platter. It is unfortunate to have these last minute screw ups but he follows the rules and ensures that all bases are covered. As much as I wish it was me that won (had I been there)... He proves his ability on the play mat. He did take the final win after all and he does deserve it. I just wish I could play him more often to improve my skills. A formidable opponent. A great X-Wing Supporter. It is a goal to one day beat this Player B on the battle field but it is still an honour to throw down against this guy, any day!

I have found that it is dangerous to make assumptions in these kinds of stories.

Humans are pattern seeking animals we cant help it, the key is to engage your sceptical thinking after the assumption pops in there

I've had a guy rage-quit against me, but it was halfway through a game and he was getting rekt. As for a forfeit right off the bat... it sounds obnoxious, but you don't know the guy's circumstances well enough to place blame. If it were ever a pattern with that guy, then some major red flags should be raised. And yeah it sucks for the standings, but just like in other casual activities (softball, video games, etc.), stuff comes up sometimes.

As a TO I would be inclined to not allow player A to participate in future events.

As a TO I would be inclined to not allow player A to participate in future events.

Because God forbid the game not be THE most important thing. We don't know any he left...and without that info Nome of us can really make any judgment here.

As a TO I would be inclined to not allow player A to participate in future events.

Because God forbid the game not be THE most important thing. We don't know any he left...and without that info Nome of us can really make any judgment here.

We do know, he had to go to work.

.Better to assume the best.

This is great advice for the tourney scene.

To the OP, It fills my heart with sadness that the moment you wanna share with us from a regional event is this and not a cool list you saw or the epic comeback of Corran who by himself took down to IGs (happened to me today at a store tourney).

English is my third language, forgive me if the words chosen sound too rude, my wish is that next time you'll share a nice story

As a TO I would be inclined to not allow player A to participate in future events.

Because God forbid the game not be THE most important thing. We don't know any he left...and without that info Nome of us can really make any judgment here.

To the majority of us this is a hypothetical sutuation, we don't know the people involved. There is nothing to judge. But in the situation as it was given a player waiting until pairings are up to then drop us going out of thier way to disrupt the event. As a TO people that do such things are not people I want at my events. Players are of course free to drop, but there is little to no reason to wait for pairings to do so. And there is especially no reason to have the type of conversation described, in again what I am treating as a hypothetical situation.