I feel like I am saying this a lot recently, but I am still new to the game and have a very small collection. So far I have only been able to pick up the core set, Imperial Aces, and a TIE Advanced.

Yesterday, I was playing against someone and we got talking about the possibilities with TIE Interceptors. I mentioned that I was looking at picking up another Interceptor so I can get my hands on Soontir Fel, as well as the other pilots that can in the package. He's been playing this game for a while and had received an alternate art card for Soontir at a tournament and gave it to me.

Now, I know the tournament scene in X-wing is a lot more structured than what I am used to; coming from Warhammer where there is no set tournament standard. I am sure the decision ultimately comes down to what the tournament organizer says, but I want to get an idea as to what the community thinks before I approach the subject.

If someone has a legal card for a pilot, but does not have the ship's token, is that usually frowned upon from an official stand point? Or is it acceptable as long as I use an Interceptor's token for a pilot that is not actually in the list (ex: using a Sabre Squadron Pilot when all of the other pilots are named)? I can understand the confusion when someone is looking at the table and planning out their moves when they see a PS4 ship instead of the PS9 it is representing.

In an official tournament, there is no proxying.

Yeah I'd say you need to have the official token with that pilot on it. It's the most official identification of a ship, as cards and ships can be obtained in other ways. But if you enjoy flying Imperials, you should buy that expansion anyway. An extra Interceptor and real good pilots are worth it.

You really should find the base token/tile. Your best bet could be to find someone who has multiple Interceptor Expansions and see if they can get you Fel's tile. I forget what's on the other side of the tile but because he's unique more than one Fel doesn't really help a single player. This can also be the best way to get some of the X-Wing pilots from the expansion (most people probably didn't buy multiple Transports so it is less likely for those pilots) and TIE Fighter pilots.

I forget what's on the other side of the tile but because he's unique more than one Fel doesn't really help a single player.

Saber Squadron

I fully intend to buy another interceptor, but the main reason I was asking was there is a tournament I will be attending on the 20th and I won't have money before that. I am borrowing some stuff from a friend, so it shouldn't be an issue to get the Fel token from him.

If the tournament on the 20th isn't a regional and also a smallish group contact the TO and see if he will allow. Being that your a newish player they might be willing to let is slide. But premier events and large groups you really want everything official and by the book. That said getting a loaner tile for the match shouldn't be an issue. Most events I have gone to players have been really cool in loaning stuff out.

I feel like I am saying this a lot recently, but I am still new to the game and have a very small collection. So far I have only been able to pick up the core set, Imperial Aces, and a TIE Advanced.

Yesterday, I was playing against someone and we got talking about the possibilities with TIE Interceptors. I mentioned that I was looking at picking up another Interceptor so I can get my hands on Soontir Fel, as well as the other pilots that can in the package. He's been playing this game for a while and had received an alternate art card for Soontir at a tournament and gave it to me.

Now, I know the tournament scene in X-wing is a lot more structured than what I am used to; coming from Warhammer where there is no set tournament standard. I am sure the decision ultimately comes down to what the tournament organizer says, but I want to get an idea as to what the community thinks before I approach the subject.

If someone has a legal card for a pilot, but does not have the ship's token, is that usually frowned upon from an official stand point? Or is it acceptable as long as I use an Interceptor's token for a pilot that is not actually in the list (ex: using a Sabre Squadron Pilot when all of the other pilots are named)? I can understand the confusion when someone is looking at the table and planning out their moves when they see a PS4 ship instead of the PS9 it is representing.

If you ran a company would you want people using a free promo card as a substitute for your $15 retail product?

I feel like I am saying this a lot recently, but I am still new to the game and have a very small collection. So far I have only been able to pick up the core set, Imperial Aces, and a TIE Advanced.

Yesterday, I was playing against someone and we got talking about the possibilities with TIE Interceptors. I mentioned that I was looking at picking up another Interceptor so I can get my hands on Soontir Fel, as well as the other pilots that can in the package. He's been playing this game for a while and had received an alternate art card for Soontir at a tournament and gave it to me.

Now, I know the tournament scene in X-wing is a lot more structured than what I am used to; coming from Warhammer where there is no set tournament standard. I am sure the decision ultimately comes down to what the tournament organizer says, but I want to get an idea as to what the community thinks before I approach the subject.

If someone has a legal card for a pilot, but does not have the ship's token, is that usually frowned upon from an official stand point? Or is it acceptable as long as I use an Interceptor's token for a pilot that is not actually in the list (ex: using a Sabre Squadron Pilot when all of the other pilots are named)? I can understand the confusion when someone is looking at the table and planning out their moves when they see a PS4 ship instead of the PS9 it is representing.

If you ran a company would you want people using a free promo card as a substitute for your $15 retail product?

This is the same company that gives out alternate cards art tournaments for people who participate. So it is a valid question given that there is a possibility that they are giving legal cards to people who have not purchased the product that contained the card and token.

Even in casual games, I'd say it's good form to ask if you can proxy any cards/tiles.

I've been having fun flying five Alpha TIE Interceptors, but only have three tiles and have to proxy the remaining two. I always check with my casual opponent (I don't fly tourneys) if that's okay. It is the gentleman's/gentlewoman's/gentleperson's way.

This is the same company that gives out alternate cards art tournaments for people who participate. So it is a valid question given that there is a possibility that they are giving legal cards to people who have not purchased the product that contained the card and token.

That's not an answer to the question I asked. Do you think they intended the participation prize to be a $15 dollar gift for attending tournaments?

If they don't want people using a promo card, they shouldn't give out cards that are perfectly legal. It's not like I am playing with a downloaded and printed card. It was made and distributed by FFG.

But your post got me thinking. What do people play for at all of these tournaments,like regional / nationals / world's? Is it just bragging rights? Because a lack of prize support for Warhammer tournaments gets it labeled as a poor tournament, in my experience.

Of course they're okay with people using it, but as a substitution for a card they've already paid for. It's not meant to take the place of a $15 dollar product.

It's mostly bragging rights and swag. Probably more of the latter than the former. Anything more than that is up to the event host to supply; FFG has said they will never make cash an official objective of the tournament scene.

I feel like I am saying this a lot recently, but I am still new to the game and have a very small collection. So far I have only been able to pick up the core set, Imperial Aces, and a TIE Advanced.

Yesterday, I was playing against someone and we got talking about the possibilities with TIE Interceptors. I mentioned that I was looking at picking up another Interceptor so I can get my hands on Soontir Fel, as well as the other pilots that can in the package. He's been playing this game for a while and had received an alternate art card for Soontir at a tournament and gave it to me.

Now, I know the tournament scene in X-wing is a lot more structured than what I am used to; coming from Warhammer where there is no set tournament standard. I am sure the decision ultimately comes down to what the tournament organizer says, but I want to get an idea as to what the community thinks before I approach the subject.

If someone has a legal card for a pilot, but does not have the ship's token, is that usually frowned upon from an official stand point? Or is it acceptable as long as I use an Interceptor's token for a pilot that is not actually in the list (ex: using a Sabre Squadron Pilot when all of the other pilots are named)? I can understand the confusion when someone is looking at the table and planning out their moves when they see a PS4 ship instead of the PS9 it is representing.

If you ran a company would you want people using a free promo card as a substitute for your $15 retail product?

Considering that they changed their policy to allow us to use Rebel and Imperial dials instead of Scum dials for the common ships, and that it means that they will sell fewer copies of Most Wanted...

They could have enforced that policy and anger the playerbase. Instead they chose not to, and everyone loved their decision. A happy customer is more likely to buy again, than a customer that feels robbed. Specially when that customer has likely spent around 100$ minimum in other products of your line in order to participate in a tournament.

In any case, they cannot keep them from borrowing the pilot token from a friend or any other player that has but doesn't use Fel. Wouldn't you count that also as a $15 lost profit for FFG?

Not unless they can find a way to enforce a split plate fee.

Considering that they changed their policy to allow us to use Rebel and Imperial dials instead of Scum dials for the common ships, and that it means that they will sell fewer copies of Most Wanted...

They could have enforced that policy and anger the playerbase. Instead they chose not to, and everyone loved their decision. A happy customer is more likely to buy again, than a customer that feels robbed. Specially when that customer has likely spent around 100$ minimum in other products of your line in order to participate in a tournament.

In any case, they cannot keep them from borrowing the pilot token from a friend or any other player that has but doesn't use Fel. Wouldn't you count that also as a $15 lost profit for FFG?

That's funny, I don't recall seeing any change in policy when it comes to dials. Since the day it became official you have been able to use any dial that belongs to a ship's type no matter what faction the ship is flying with.

Does that decision cost FFG sales? Perhaps a few but VERY few. Why is that? It is simply because you would still need to buy multiple copies of most wanted if you want to fly multiple Z-95s or other ships as YOU STILL NEED THE BASE TILES. Ship components needed are ship model and stand, pilot card and the corresponding base tile, and a dial for the ship. Ships are completely interchangeable as are dials that go with that ship but pilots are specific and the tiles go with them.

Bringing up Dial Factions to support the idea that you do NOT need to use the appropriate base tile with a given pilot actually does the complete opposite.

Personally I wouldn't mind playing against someone who proxies at a tournament. I want to beat someone because I out flew them, not because they didn't have c-3po or a second push the limit or because some guy is going to have a **** fit that is says PS 4 and Sabre Squadron after you've made it clear that it's representing Soontir.

I'm not a TO however.

A friend of mine only had imperial aces interceptors, so when he got a Soontir promo I gave him a Soontir/Sabre Squadron ship token since I have 5 individual Interceptor Expansions. See if you could trade. Not many people have multiples of the individual Interceptors though.

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A friend of mine only had imperial aces interceptors, so when he got a Soontir promo I gave him a Soontir/Sabre Squadron ship token since I have 5 individual Interceptor Expansions. See if you could trade. Not many people have multiples of the individual Interceptors though.

That was definitely my recommendation. If you're looking for someone with multiple Interceptors you need to find one of those completionists who has been playing the game from the beginning. With Aces out you don't see many people buying multiple Interceptor expansions but before then you would see people buying two or more.

I would think that the card is a novelty given out as a replacement to the standard card or viewed as a collector's item. I'm very new to this game, not having even played a single game, but am very familiar with GW games and tournament rules. Unfortunately proxied items are specifically mentioned as a no-no in the X-Wing tournament scene. I have noticed that E-Bay is a cool place to pick up cards and such for pilots, abilities, etc that come in expansions that you are not necessarily interested in aquiring at this time. Being new myself I know that a lot of expansions that I want contain cards that I would like but I have to be prudent in bulding up a core collection first. Having only the starter set and then buying the Tantive IV doesn't seem like a wise investment for my collection at the moment. Good luck at the tournament!

its like 10 bucks. i can make that picking up returnables along the highways around my house in a day or two "working" 30 minute days..lol or mowing lawns, bagging groceries. seriously when i was a kid i did all these things to support my gaming habits. I also had/have a cycling addiction and thats a really expensive hobby!! although my bike back then was relatively cheap. To me it was very expensive!!!! yeah i miss the days when I was better than my bikes.. now its the other way around!!

O.P. is also missing several things. In order to use a particular ship - you not only need the pilot card, but the proper ship token and movement dial too. One simply can't fly the Tie Interceptor with (say) Tie Fighter dial. Spend the money, it is worth to patronize a good game.

but the proper ship token and movement dial too.

That's a good point. If someone has the wrong ship token I may or may not care, but there's no way i'd let someone play with the wrong dial.

its like 10 bucks. i can make that picking up returnables along the highways around my house in a day or two "working" 30 minute days..lol or mowing lawns, bagging groceries. seriously when i was a kid i did all these things to support my gaming habits. I also had/have a cycling addiction and thats a really expensive hobby!! although my bike back then was relatively cheap. To me it was very expensive!!!! yeah i miss the days when I was better than my bikes.. now its the other way around!!

Fixed income + rent + food + transportation + bills = no expendable income

O.P. is also missing several things. In order to use a particular ship - you not only need the pilot card, but the proper ship token and movement dial too. One simply can't fly the Tie Interceptor with (say) Tie Fighter dial. Spend the money, it is worth to patronize a good game.

Please go back and read the first post again. How would I be able to proxy another TIE interceptor token if I didn't have the movement dial?

Unless you get your ships from a 3rd party you should ALWAYS have a dial for a given ship unless you've somehow lost or destroyed the dial you did have. There isn't a legal ship model that fails to include the required dial with it.

As for using the 'wrong' dial that is already covered in the rules. Provided a maneuver that is legal for the ship is revealed the maneuver happens as normal but if it is NOT a legal maneuver then your opponent can choose a maneuver that would be legal.

How did this discussion go from ship's tokens to dials? I don't care about the dials, I have the dials for interceptors.