This sell at gen con stunt I'm sure is great for FFG. But I feel its a kick in the nuts to game stores. People just buy up what they can at gen con and sell it on ebay for double. If it was in stores a week after gen con I guess I would be fine with it. X-Wing isn't a huge money maker for games stores like say magic or hero clicks. Games where you just throw you money into a pit hoping to pull out a gem. Most the time you get get something brown, squishy and smells bad. To me that's the draw to FFG games. I would be nice to see them do more to support the game stores.

Don't pull this sell at gen con stunt... Stores wait 3 months to sell theirs. Put an end to stores selling prize kits on ebay... Better prize kits in general and end the dice bags... Do more events like Imadar Alpha.

Surprise when scum came out there was no big event around it. Very disappointing.

Sure all that sounds smart but it isn't. I'm not assuming anything, I'm taking it for what it is, a straight comparison. I'm not the one assuming that the factors should be different on an assembly line, or have terribly different travel times from the factory. I'm not assuming that these things are going to change so much that the time difference between announcement and release for both are not at all comparable. The comparison is obvious, get over your desperation and live with it. Again the idiocy is comparing a person's growth to a manufacturing process of a piece of plastic.

I stand by my Gen Con prediction and if it comes sooner I won't be disappointed. But I least I won't sound like I'm whining because it's not here already.

It's comparing an extrapolation to an extrapolation and I think it was more directed at your graph predicting through to 2019.

Good point De Bad Wolf.

Selling at GenCon does screw the LGS. Raffling a couple away or something as a promo at GenCon would be better and still promote the product like they want.

No, you're just assuming that things aren't going to change at all. Acknowledging that patterns change isn't smart, it's just common sense. I'll be honest though, I got a terrific laugh out of your 'math based' analysis. XD

Sure all that sounds smart but it isn't. I'm not assuming anything, I'm taking it for what it is, a straight comparison. I'm not the one assuming that the factors should be different on an assembly line, or have terribly different travel times from the factory. I'm not assuming that these things are going to change so much that the time difference between announcement and release for both are not at all comparable. The comparison is obvious, get over your desperation and live with it. Again the idiocy is comparing a person's growth to a manufacturing process of a piece of plastic.

I stand by my Gen Con prediction and if it comes sooner I won't be disappointed. But I least I won't sound like I'm whining because it's not here already.

It's comparing an extrapolation to an extrapolation and I think it was more directed at your graph predicting through to 2019.

I'm not going to go into your thread and start pointing out the obvious flaws because hey, it's your thread, it's easily avoidable, you put a bunch of work into it and seem to be having a good time. So, you know. You do you. When you start pushing it on other threads, that's when I feel justified in engaging a little light snark.

Never ascribe to malice that which can easily be explained by incompetence.

Yes, it's clearly a conspiracy. It's not like FFG has EVER set a release date it's missed. I'm sure they're just waiting for GenCon 2019 to release those tile based play fields they announced a couple years ago. You know, really build up that anticipation.

Oh, look who's back! And with a familiar phrase, no less.

I guess I'm glad I got Gen Con off.

Sure all that sounds smart but it isn't. I'm not assuming anything, I'm taking it for what it is, a straight comparison. I'm not the one assuming that the factors should be different on an assembly line, or have terribly different travel times from the factory. I'm not assuming that these things are going to change so much that the time difference between announcement and release for both are not at all comparable. The comparison is obvious, get over your desperation and live with it. Again the idiocy is comparing a person's growth to a manufacturing process of a piece of plastic.

No, you're just assuming that things aren't going to change at all. Acknowledging that patterns change isn't smart, it's just common sense. I'll be honest though, I got a terrific laugh out of your 'math based' analysis. XD

He was comparing the extrapolation of his son's growth to your extrapolation of FFG's release schedule.

In the first 18 months of his life, his son grows very quickly. If you were to take that and project it forward in time (ie: you assume that he will continue to grow at that rate) then he'll be ten foot when he's 12. This illustrates the pitfall of extrapolation: you assume the trendline and all that influences it will stay the same and you need a good basis to asume that. Extrapolation works when you have a very large data set you're projecting forward a small amount (predicting average temperatures for the next three years based on the last fifty years). It rapidly breaks down when you do the inverse: predicting the next fifty years of temperatures based on the last three, for example.

Sure all that sounds smart but it isn't. I'm not assuming anything, I'm taking it for what it is, a straight comparison. I'm not the one assuming that the factors should be different on an assembly line, or have terribly different travel times from the factory. I'm not assuming that these things are going to change so much that the time difference between announcement and release for both are not at all comparable. The comparison is obvious, get over your desperation and live with it. Again the idiocy is comparing a person's growth to a manufacturing process of a piece of plastic.

I stand by my Gen Con prediction and if it comes sooner I won't be disappointed. But I least I won't sound like I'm whining because it's not here already.

Seriously? Take your argument back to your own threads. You are just arguing the same **** here and making the exact same lack of progress. "We don't agree and I have to make sure everybody thinks I'm smarter than the other guy!" Great. We got it. Now f*ck off and have a nice day.

*Just so there isn't any confusion I wasn't including Blue Five.

Is it possible delays at the facilities which prints product for their miniatures games are related to a movie coming out in December, and a desire to have product available to capitalize on said movie for when companies are officially allowed to start talking about all the new characters, ships, etc.? My understanding is September is when the toy companies, books, etc. will be revealed en masse, so I've kind of assumed the slowdown on the Raider was somehow related to it being a significant model to create in large quantities, which happens to be at the printer while they are busily printing new stuff for Episode 7 as well (we know they have the rights from Disney to do so).

Who knows? It seems like a VERY long time to be at the printer, even for FFG, so my guess is something rather out of the ordinary is behind the issue, and this seems like a plausible option. But I don't claim to understand supply-chain logistics or what FFG's options in that space look like, so it is certainly just a semi-educated guess. *shrug*

I have heard from a number of 'insiders' that another possible reason was that the first batch of Raiders was not up to QA standards, likely poor paintjobs and the entire batch had to be re-painted or even possibly re-made. After some of the complaints of Armada Core Set ships paintjobs, this theory started to seem plausible.

It happened to the Falcon.

My youngest son's grown more than a foot in the 18 months he was born. I am now seriously worried about how we're going to get clothes for him when he's twelve years old and ten feet tall.

So you are saying your son is the CR90 Corvette at 18 months, and the Raider Corvette is your son at 12 years old. I hope you are not the one teaching him math, because that's just plain idiotic. You can't possibly understand what you've read as the two (son vs minis) are not at all the same thing. What makes you think the process for the CR90 Corvette and the Raider Corvette should be any different from each other, and why shouldn't they take the same time in the end? I hope you aren't holding your breath until Gen Con.

Ok so. Imagine you're running for a bus. You can see it at the stop, but the last person waiting has just gotten on so you know it's about to pull away and leave you. So you're running as fast as you can. But oh no! You trip! You catch your foot on the kerb and go sprawling! You skid down the pavement on one knee and tear your trousers and fall into the muddy gutter and as you're sat there, wet and dirty and bloody and embarrassed you see the bus pull away, blithely uncaring of your frustrating, ill-fated pursuit.

Ok. So now imagine the same thing, but instead of you, it's you. And instead of a bus, it's the point.

I don't have enough likes for this. I couldn't tell if gabe was being serious or not but his more recent commemts indicate he is being serious.

Bravo sir.

I am inclined to think, however, that simply holding for Gencon is not a winning strategy. You dont want to deny your main customer base so you can score a few extra bucks at a convention that less than 1% of your base is attending.

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There are a great many other new and talked about products hitting as well...Which is why I dont feel it was purposely held for Gencon.

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while Gencon is a big event it certainly doesnt represent even a tiny fraction of their total sales. I cannot fathom why they would hold off (paying the associated storage costs and potentially taking a PR hit) just so they can sell it there first and release it a few weeks later.

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Their attendance at GenCon has nothing to do with the Raider and is a given when examining their status in the industry.

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I am glad we can agree that QC is the most likely culprit here

You're definitely right that they didn't hold the Raider for GenCon on purpose. If that was their plan, they wouldn't have pushed back the expected release date twice, they would have simply said it was coming Q3 and then GenCon would have been an early preview.

If, as most people assume, there was some kind of quality control issue at the manufacturer's end that caused the release to be delayed, FFG may have decided to grab the silver lining and hold it off a *bit* longer so they could release it at GenCon. Why would they do this? Hype, that's why.

Every game company with a presence at GenCon will be releasing something new there. That's half the reason they go - to show off their newest, shiniest thing. If FFG showed up with nothing new, fewer people would come check out their booth and their presence at the convention would be lackluster. For them, this is an easy decision: the more new things you're showing off, the more people will be interested in your booth at the show.

This is good for them for a couple of reasons. First, it gets people at the convention talking about them. "Did you see the new stuff at the FFG booth?? You have to check it out!!" Second, if people have to wait in a long line to get the one thing they want from FFG (the Raider, for example), they will be more likely to buy other things when they get to the front of the line. No one wants to wait in the same three-hour line twice, so they will buy things that they aren't sure about just because they know they won't get another chance. This makes a direct financial impact on FFG, because they sell product to people who might not have bought it at all.

You mention that holding the product off could give the company bad PR. What bad PR? Unless they are holding off the Raiders because they want to use them to kill baby seals before they are released to the public, there's no such thing as bad PR for a game release. All news is good news. Notice the forums - everyone on here is talking about where the Raider is. If it had released on schedule, do you think it would have garnered as much attention? Not a chance. Again, I don't think they delayed the Raider on purpose, but once FFG found out they were going to have to delay the release (for whatever the real reason is), I'm certain that they decided to make the most of it.

TL;DR: Hype is a powerful thing. It's worth far more than its weight in gold to a company.

"We don't agree and I have to make sure everybody thinks I'm smarter than the other guy!"

And I don't think I am smarter than everyone else, I just find this thread near the top of the forum list and am reminded that whining continues, when any person who can add would estimate that they'd have to wait until at least July.

Hey Gabe,

Things are going pretty well. I'm relaxing on X-Wing until July, and looking into some of FFGs other games. Armada seems like a lot of fun, and Imperial Assault is interesting too.

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This is the other thread post you were referring to...

Good god, the whining about waiting for the Raider on that other thread, unbearable.

GR75 8/20/2013 to 4/30/2014 = 253 days

CR90 8/20/2013 to 5/23/2014 = 276 days

Raider 12/19/2014 + 253 days = 8/29/2015

Raider 12/19/2014 + 276 days = 9/21/2015

"Gen Con 2015, taking place in Indianapolis from July 30 - August 2, 2015."

Sorry to break it to you but the Raider will very likely be release at Gen Con.

Again to be clear, I resist posting here, but each time someone does this thread gets bumped to the top and I know the whining continues. I'm sure I'm not the only one that finds this "self-inflicted irrational frustration" (Synonym: Drama Queen) one of the most annoying things on this forum.

YOU'LL GET IT WHEN YOU GET IT.... End of story.