So..basically nothing you suggested was actually implemented and they made their own fix. That's what I was saying - they play the game too and notice the same things we do...and they are 6 months to a year ahead of us in terms of knowing not only what is out there but what is to come.

They gave credit to the X-Wing champ who suggested Stay On Target, so I think they would give credit when it's due. You can't just go around claiming "I had a similar idea to this thing that ended up happening, so I basically invented it myself."

I'm fairly sure they asked him to design Stay on Target as a tournament prize. Same with Dash Rendar.

I think my comment was fairly clear as to why we shouldn't promote the idea that FFG takes suggestions here seriously - it will up the ante and the noise of those things to a (to some) intolerable level if it seems as though the loudest squeaky wheel will get the oil

There's nothing wrong with pointing out a problem and usually it's good practice to offer a solution. Problem is, and I say this at the risk of coming back to bite me later, the majority of the suggestions aren't very good. A lot are wildly complex, show limited understanding of game design or knock on effects and/or miss the point of the mechanic they're trying to fix. I'm not going to give examples because I don't want to name and shame, but for the designers the problem is usually more useful than the solution.

3-strike rule:

If you post a terrible idea more than three times you are no longer allowed to participate in fix-it threads.

And what constitutes a "terrible idea" given that it's all based on people opinions?

We can vote. But up-front rule about turret-pointing. Those posts make me sad for America.

Fan ideas have given us:

-Autothrusters

-Tie Advanced title and sensor slot

-Scum and villainy

-Subforums

-Rebel aces

-Phantom movement adjustment

-the imperial epic ship via the magic of our 100+ page thread

And I'm sure there are more instances but that's just off the top of my head.

Then people come in here and tell us it's pointless and we are wasting our time brainstorming how do you think we'll react?

People on here complain about EVERYTHING so of course eventually the complaints will line up with stuff ffg does. Correlation does not equal causality.

Ships with 2 straights are broken please nerf

The game is great, but not really perfectly balanced or they wouldn't need all the fixes they place in, nor would there be ships rendered pretty pointless just on release.

I say fix um all, let god sort um out.

To be honest the "imbalance" does add longevity to the game. With the imbalance then new waves and expansions will be needed to shift the meta and create shifts in the balance of power. I think FFG does it right by releasing upgrades and fixed that can alter the balance but not releasing uber-powered units that introduce power creep and force you to buy the latest releases which happens to be a trend with some other franchises. (What is the most powerful faction which one just received an update?)

Ships with 2 straights are broken please nerf

only if those straights are green

I got an idea, How about we fix missiles, torpedoes, bombers, X-wings generic E-wings, Star Vipers, MA-3 and nerf Turrets, interceptors, phantoms, and IG-88B.

I think you nailed em all.

Hel-Nah he forgot; Fix Stupid ADD Sheeples.

This is stupid. Stamp your feet and make click-bait threads typing in caps if you want, but threads about "fixing" ships provoke a lot of meaning discussion, keep the forum buzzing with interested players, and give the game developers a decent sampling of public opinion.

They also promote garbage comments and threads (like this one and those that advocate ideas like action rotated firing arcs for turrets), but the benefit outweights the harm by quite a bit.

except for that bit about sample size, i agree with this.

this forum is in no way demonstrative of the population, we are simply an unimportant demographic!

I like reading peoples ideas to "fix" things. Some are way off for sure, but this is the place for them to post and talk about the game they like to play.

There is at least one person somewhere involved with X-wing at ffg who reads these post. I don't mean it's the same person or every post. I just mean when things are talked about they know about it. It gives them a thermometer about what people are happy or unhappy about regardless of the solutions posed.

There is no prefect game, that's true, but that's no reason to stop trying to think how it could be made better. What better place to talk about such ideas than the place that other people who want to make the game better go to talk about it.

I even read your post about how to "fix" the forums

Exactly this. FFG is listening. They don't immediately react to every post there is but they are reacting via errata, new upgrades, ships and mechanics. And for most of the time they do a great job. If they didn't read the bajillion posts about the Phantom they would probably not have nerfed it. And not buffed the Advanced! And both were well-deserved!

Hopefully they don't listen too much to the most vocal on the forums thinking these people are always correct. I've seen alot of games lose people because the designers put the game in a constant flux trying to appease the "vocal forum minority."

It's hardly listening to a vocal minority if you consider all that has for instance been said about Phantoms or the Advanced...

Also i would say that a lot of the guys coming here on the forums care more about the game and probably know more about the competitive edges (and thus balancing issues) of the game than someone that just plays some games at home with his kids. Not that i don't respect that, just that you don't need perfect balancing as long as you just play friendly and for fun, and not on tournaments where you will get to know the optimized cookie-cutter lists and ships that might create balancing issues in the first place!

So if FFG would accept any expertise from outside their own game design bureau, it would probably have to be from the forums, or maybe directly from tournaments... If the majority remains silent, sadly they have no possibility to listen to them anyway!

If a game is not in a constant flux, its... well... Dead?!?

Tell that to Chess.

If a game is not in a constant flux, its... well... Dead?!?

Tell that to Chess.

Oh did know one tell you about battle chess or regicide or three player chess?

or Knightmare Chess (Steve Jackson games)...

nevermind didn't work

Oh did know one tell you about battle chess or regicide or three player chess?

First of all, Battle Chess is just Chess.

2nd of all, how many people who play Chess regularly actually play any of those things you mentioned?

The Chess community plays the same game now that they've been playing for 500 years.

With the suggested "fixes" to ships, pilots, weapons, ordinance, maneuvering, tournaments, and every other GD thing you can possibly fathom about this game. It's absurd. Literally every other post, some days, is some clown's new "Awesome Way to Save X-Wingz!" thread, and it's all garbage. Stop trying to nerf/fix/correct/save/change/add stuff because you're not game designers. This game is beautiful. This game is balanced. This game is fun. This game is brilliant. Work on "fixing" your builds or your maneuvering skills if you have that much of a problem, otherwise go play a new game.

Aaaaaaand rant successful.

.........Sorry. Just mad because my Cavs lost Game 1, I think.

Cavs r in trouble. No Kyrie is really tough for them. GS have the depth on the bench. Poor LeBron is getting worn down. Stealing game one would have helped them get some much needed momentum. NBA 5cents spent...

Actually much like the NBA, x-wing is a copycat game, at least the meta on these forums suggests that. Once someone has success with a list, everyone jumps on board and copies the list. It means an already strong list gets even better chances of doing well at tournaments because many people are playing the same list (give or take a few upgrades). Fat Han, Fat Decimator, Super Dash, Brobots etc are all featuring in top8's. Right now there seems to be so many people playing turrets, even with autothrusters theyr tough to beat. Decimator+Soontir or Decimator+ phantom lists are very popular. Scum Y-Wing lists are creeping into top8s as well which is great to see. This game is far from broken and the variety of lists (even tho dominated by big ships with turrets) suggest there is enough variety out there for even the copycats and bandwagoners to have some choice.

With the suggested "fixes" to ships, pilots, weapons, ordinance, maneuvering, tournaments, and every other GD thing you can possibly fathom about this game. It's absurd. Literally every other post, some days, is some clown's new "Awesome Way to Save X-Wingz!" thread, and it's all garbage. Stop trying to nerf/fix/correct/save/change/add stuff because you're not game designers. This game is beautiful. This game is balanced. This game is fun. This game is brilliant. Work on "fixing" your builds or your maneuvering skills if you have that much of a problem, otherwise go play a new game.

Aaaaaaand rant successful.

.........Sorry. Just mad because my Cavs lost Game 1, I think.

Cavs r in trouble. No Kyrie is really tough for them. GS have the depth on the bench. Poor LeBron is getting worn down. Stealing game one would have helped them get some much needed momentum. NBA 5cents spent...

Actually much like the NBA, x-wing is a copycat game, at least the meta on these forums suggests that. Once someone has success with a list, everyone jumps on board and copies the list. It means an already strong list gets even better chances of doing well at tournaments because many people are playing the same list (give or take a few upgrades). Fat Han, Fat Decimator, Super Dash, Brobots etc are all featuring in top8's. Right now there seems to be so many people playing turrets, even with autothrusters theyr tough to beat. Decimator+Soontir or Decimator+ phantom lists are very popular. Scum Y-Wing lists are creeping into top8s as well which is great to see. This game is far from broken and the variety of lists (even tho dominated by big ships with turrets) suggest there is enough variety out there for even the copycats and bandwagoners to have some choice.

Finally a fellow sports fan!

I agree, this series just got incredibly tough for Cleveland. Kyrie finally came back and looked great but his kneecap is fractured, he's done. As much as he wants to, LeBron can't carry the team past the (as you said, incredibly deep) Warriors. A miracle would have to happen and JR, Shump and Tristan should have to play out of their minds.

Oh, and good points about this whole spaceship game as well.

Oh did know one tell you about battle chess or regicide or three player chess?

First of all, Battle Chess is just Chess.

2nd of all, how many people who play Chess regularly actually play any of those things you mentioned?

The Chess community plays the same game now that they've been playing for 500 years.

And have you heard about the World of Warcraft board game (the hexagonal one with collectible minis), or about the same game's card game lately? I mean both were pretty popular, but got discontinued. Now if you were right there would still be a community for them, but they are just gone... No new content, no fresh rules... Dead!

Now if you were right there would still be a community for them, but they are just gone... No new content, no fresh rules... Dead!

Obviously, those games weren't good enough to endure on their own. If the promise of new stuff is the only thing that keeps the community going, then the game isn't that good to begin with.

OP get your ego in check, its the forums official forums for just about anything this is the usual, no one gives a flying fornication and the posts will continue.

Now if you were right there would still be a community for them, but they are just gone... No new content, no fresh rules... Dead!

Obviously, those games weren't good enough to endure on their own. If the promise of new stuff is the only thing that keeps the community going, then the game isn't that good to begin with.

Okay let's assume X-Wing is a good game for just a minute. I personally think it is. Then let's say the game will be discontinued... Maybe because FFG would not find any good new content or wanted to focus on new games more.

I would give it 2 years and it would be gone. No tournaments, no one left playing it in gaming stores. Just some rare people playing a few games at home, but no real conmunity would be left or at least you would have to divide it by 1000!

If a game is not in a constant flux, its... well... Dead?!?

Tell that to Chess.

Oh did know one tell you about battle chess or regicide or three player chess?

First of all, Battle Chess is just Chess.

2nd of all, how many people who play Chess regularly actually play any of those things you mentioned?

The Chess community plays the same game now that they've been playing for 500 years.

That is not to say that there isn't changes to Chess. Now while the rules are mostly the same the rankings, handicap system with the clock, and how tournaments are run do play a part of the game. Besides even Chess had some errata or rule changes. En-passant was a rule that was added in the 15th century, nearly 1,000 years after the game of chess was created. (Now imagine waiting that long for an FAQ update ). The Rules of Chess have been Amended many times since then.

If a game is not in a constant flux, its... well... Dead?!?

Tell that to Chess.

Talk about a game that needs a 2.0 version.

If a game is not in a constant flux, its... well... Dead?!?

Tell that to Chess.

Talk about a game that needs a 2.0 version.

It really wasn't that engaging of a game. Trust me on this I have tried it.

Didn't much liked it. It looked cool but mechanics and other systems that were put in place were not that intuitive. IMHO it felt like it played really clunky compared to the classic chess.