You do understand how quiet this place will be uf such posts stop right?

tumbleweed quiet.

Wouldn't it be easier to not read tge posts than ckmplain about what other people find interesting?

The General forum would be a little more quiet, but the other forums wouldn't be slowed down.

I like reading peoples ideas to "fix" things. Some are way off for sure, but this is the place for them to post and talk about the game they like to play.

There is at least one person somewhere involved with X-wing at ffg who reads these post. I don't mean it's the same person or every post. I just mean when things are talked about they know about it. It gives them a thermometer about what people are happy or unhappy about regardless of the solutions posed.

There is no prefect game, that's true, but that's no reason to stop trying to think how it could be made better. What better place to talk about such ideas than the place that other people who want to make the game better go to talk about it.

I even read your post about how to "fix" the forums

Exactly this. FFG is listening. They don't immediately react to every post there is but they are reacting via errata, new upgrades, ships and mechanics. And for most of the time they do a great job. If they didn't read the bajillion posts about the Phantom they would probably not have nerfed it. And not buffed the Advanced! And both were well-deserved!

Hopefully they don't listen too much to the most vocal on the forums thinking these people are always correct. I've seen alot of games lose people because the designers put the game in a constant flux trying to appease the "vocal forum minority."

They also promote garbage comments and threads (like this one and those that advocate ideas like action rotated firing arcs for turrets), but the benefit outweights the harm by quite a bit.

Don't forget the ones where people rant about how FFG should sell standalone sets of cards, because they need/deserve them. Those are some of my favorites.

And yes, this was essentially a giant troll thread that I literally don't care that much about, and posted drunkenly as a venting tool. Sometimes I forget what type of people I'm dealing with regarding this game, and that they can't take anything lightly and they have no room for any alternative passions or interests. Just gonna unsubscribe or delete this or however it works now.

We don't suffer trolls lightly around here. You made your bed, now you get to sleep in it.

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If too many people are posting rules changes to fix things too often, maybe we should set up some rules to govern it. Maybe each person can only start 1 "new rule" thread per month and only be allowed to post in 2 other threads. That is, unless it's every other Tuesday, because we all need an outlet at times. Also, there is a birthday exception that can be invoked within 72 days of the event. I also think that the red dice should be switched to purple as it's more of a royal color and help with game growth.

Sometimes I forget what type of people I'm dealing with regarding this game, and that they can't take anything lightly.

Really? After that crazy rant post you're going to try to put this on others on the forums? You get back what you put out.

At the first sign your thread is turning against you, claim you were just trolling. It's like the eighth rule of internetting.

3-strike rule:

If you post a terrible idea more than three times you are no longer allowed to participate in fix-it threads.

Posts about manually pointing turrets are worth 3 points right away.

Sometimes I forget what type of people I'm dealing with regarding this game, and that they can't take anything lightly.

Really? After that crazy rant post you're going to try to put this on others on the forums? You get back what you put out.

At the first sign your thread is turning against you, claim you were just trolling. It's like the eighth rule of internetting.

Whatever you need to convince yourself to sleep at night.

Kir Kanos is BROKEN

You can use Howl with Squad leader, a shuttle with fleet officer, and give Kir Kanos a Targeting computer and he can get 3 WHOLE ACTIONS without PTL meaning he can deal 4 damage at range 2!!! BAN KIR KANOS

Whatever you need to convince yourself to sleep at night.

I'd recommend a nightcap, but alcohol doesn't seem to agree with you. You wouldn't happen to be friends with Ribann, would you?

The disparity between perceived consequence versus actual consequence in this thread is mildly alarming, as well as amusing. OP has a legit issue...not everyone agrees, but there doesn't need to be any saving face. I mean...c'mon, it's not as if there is any consequence to having a reputation here.

To post something on topic...I do have a similar sentiment as the OP. I gave up on reading most of the "fixes" threads now. It is mildly annoying to take a week long break from the forums, come back to see different threads discussing the same topics. The fixes threads are especially rough because they typically don't build on each other, it's just a bunch of ideas, of wildly varying quality, being thrown out. I'm not proposing legislation, just stating facts.

So, while the thread title was a little melodramatic, I don't think OP's concerns are without merit. The "complaining about complaining = hypocrisy" is always a little hard for me to get behind...if you identify something you don't like, you have the right to acknowledge it and attempt to tame it as it gets out of control.

I got an idea, How about we fix missiles, torpedoes, bombers, X-wings generic E-wings, Star Vipers, MA-3 and nerf Turrets, interceptors, phantoms, and IG-88B.

I think you nailed em all.

Hel-Nah he forgot; Fix Stupid ADD Sheeples.

The disparity between perceived consequence versus actual consequence in this thread is mildly alarming, as well as amusing. OP has a legit issue...not everyone agrees, but there doesn't need to be any saving face. I mean...c'mon, it's not as if there is any consequence to having a reputation here.

To post something on topic...I do have a similar sentiment as the OP. I gave up on reading most of the "fixes" threads now. It is mildly annoying to take a week long break from the forums, come back to see different threads discussing the same topics. The fixes threads are especially rough because they typically don't build on each other, it's just a bunch of ideas, of wildly varying quality, being thrown out. I'm not proposing legislation, just stating facts.

So, while the thread title was a little melodramatic, I don't think OP's concerns are without merit. The "complaining about complaining = hypocrisy" is always a little hard for me to get behind...if you identify something you don't like, you have the right to acknowledge it and attempt to tame it as it gets out of control.

Thank you very much for your rational response. I respect that you actually viewed this from both sides instead of posting rude and aggressive responses. Yes the title was a bit much, and I was fueled by frustration and booze and just took it out on the wrong crowd hoping that folks would understand I was just venting and displacing my anger here.

I know some people are into the whole game-enhancement thing, but recently I've been spending time on other forums and found many more threads about list critiques, fun experiences at tourneys, and players just helping each other out with rules/builds/etc. So when I come here and it's just nonstop threads about "broken this" or "let's fix that" or "nerf them" it just pushes me away from these forums. That's all. It just feels like such a more negative vibe on these forums, and the "popular" threads always escalate to a bunch of angry, immature grown men flinging around insults and making the forums even more toxic.

The disparity between perceived consequence versus actual consequence in this thread is mildly alarming, as well as amusing. OP has a legit issue...not everyone agrees, but there doesn't need to be any saving face. I mean...c'mon, it's not as if there is any consequence to having a reputation here.

To post something on topic...I do have a similar sentiment as the OP. I gave up on reading most of the "fixes" threads now. It is mildly annoying to take a week long break from the forums, come back to see different threads discussing the same topics. The fixes threads are especially rough because they typically don't build on each other, it's just a bunch of ideas, of wildly varying quality, being thrown out. I'm not proposing legislation, just stating facts.

So, while the thread title was a little melodramatic, I don't think OP's concerns are without merit. The "complaining about complaining = hypocrisy" is always a little hard for me to get behind...if you identify something you don't like, you have the right to acknowledge it and attempt to tame it as it gets out of control.

Thank you very much for your rational response. I respect that you actually viewed this from both sides instead of posting rude and aggressive responses. Yes the title was a bit much, and I was fueled by frustration and booze and just took it out on the wrong crowd hoping that folks would understand I was just venting and displacing my anger here.

I know some people are into the whole game-enhancement thing, but recently I've been spending time on other forums and found many more threads about list critiques, fun experiences at tourneys, and players just helping each other out with rules/builds/etc. So when I come here and it's just nonstop threads about "broken this" or "let's fix that" or "nerf them" it just pushes me away from these forums. That's all. It just feels like such a more negative vibe on these forums, and the "popular" threads always escalate to a bunch of angry, immature grown men flinging around insults and making the forums even more toxic.

The positive vibe comes when we get news, when you can go weeks without a new thing to discuss of course the subject of fixes will come up because we have already gushed over the last article.

Fan ideas have given us:

-Autothrusters

-Tie Advanced title and sensor slot

-Scum and villainy

-Subforums

-Rebel aces

-Phantom movement adjustment

-the imperial epic ship via the magic of our 100+ page thread

And I'm sure there are more instances but that's just off the top of my head.

Then people come in here and tell us it's pointless and we are wasting our time brainstorming how do you think we'll react?

I know some people are into the whole game-enhancement thing, but recently I've been spending time on other forums and found many more threads about list critiques, fun experiences at tourneys, and players just helping each other out with rules/builds/etc. So when I come here and it's just nonstop threads about "broken this" or "let's fix that" or "nerf them" it just pushes me away from these forums. That's all. It just feels like such a more negative vibe on these forums, and the "popular" threads always escalate to a bunch of angry, immature grown men flinging around insults and making the forums even more toxic.

I think the problem is that each of the topics you mention has its own dedicated subforum here. Since all of that gets filtered out of the main forum, you're left with a much higher concentration of the frustration and "fix-it" threads. For what it's worth, the subforums tend to be pretty friendly and nontoxic (...except the Rules forum, on occasion).

I know some people are into the whole game-enhancement thing, but recently I've been spending time on other forums and found many more threads about list critiques, fun experiences at tourneys, and players just helping each other out with rules/builds/etc. So when I come here and it's just nonstop threads about "broken this" or "let's fix that" or "nerf them" it just pushes me away from these forums. That's all. It just feels like such a more negative vibe on these forums, and the "popular" threads always escalate to a bunch of angry, immature grown men flinging around insults and making the forums even more toxic.

I think the problem is that each of the topics you mention has its own dedicated subforum here. Since all of that gets filtered out of the main forum, you're left with a much higher concentration of the frustration and "fix-it" threads. For what it's worth, the subforums tend to be pretty friendly and nontoxic (...except the Rules forum, on occasion).

You're probably right. Since I always reload the main page and scroll down first, it's just that bad first-impression kind of thing. I need to spend more time scouting the subforums.

The disparity between perceived consequence versus actual consequence in this thread is mildly alarming, as well as amusing. OP has a legit issue...not everyone agrees, but there doesn't need to be any saving face. I mean...c'mon, it's not as if there is any consequence to having a reputation here.

To post something on topic...I do have a similar sentiment as the OP. I gave up on reading most of the "fixes" threads now. It is mildly annoying to take a week long break from the forums, come back to see different threads discussing the same topics. The fixes threads are especially rough because they typically don't build on each other, it's just a bunch of ideas, of wildly varying quality, being thrown out. I'm not proposing legislation, just stating facts.

So, while the thread title was a little melodramatic, I don't think OP's concerns are without merit. The "complaining about complaining = hypocrisy" is always a little hard for me to get behind...if you identify something you don't like, you have the right to acknowledge it and attempt to tame it as it gets out of control.

Thank you very much for your rational response. I respect that you actually viewed this from both sides instead of posting rude and aggressive responses. Yes the title was a bit much, and I was fueled by frustration and booze and just took it out on the wrong crowd hoping that folks would understand I was just venting and displacing my anger here.

I know some people are into the whole game-enhancement thing, but recently I've been spending time on other forums and found many more threads about list critiques, fun experiences at tourneys, and players just helping each other out with rules/builds/etc. So when I come here and it's just nonstop threads about "broken this" or "let's fix that" or "nerf them" it just pushes me away from these forums. That's all. It just feels like such a more negative vibe on these forums, and the "popular" threads always escalate to a bunch of angry, immature grown men flinging around insults and making the forums even more toxic.

The positive vibe comes when we get news, when you can go weeks without a new thing to discuss of course the subject of fixes will come up because we have already gushed over the last article.

Fan ideas have given us:

-Autothrusters

-Tie Advanced title and sensor slot

-Scum and villainy

-Subforums

-Rebel aces

-Phantom movement adjustment

-the imperial epic ship via the magic of our 100+ page thread

And I'm sure there are more instances but that's just off the top of my head.

Then people come in here and tell us it's pointless and we are wasting our time brainstorming how do you think we'll react?

I'm not disputing the idea the conversations on the forum have led to FFG doing different things in the game, but they seem to be several months, if not even a year ahead of what we know about in terms of development time so could it not also be that the game devs are a clever bunch that play the game we do and notice the same things and, along with feedback here and there, make adjustments. I guess without hard proof (which of course there may be that I'm just unaware of) I wouldn't want your list there to become justification for even more 'fix' shouting #twocents

Fan ideas have given us:

-Autothrusters

-Tie Advanced title and sensor slot

-Scum and villainy

-Subforums

-Rebel aces

-Phantom movement adjustment

-the imperial epic ship via the magic of our 100+ page thread

Subforums sure, but can the community take credit for any of the others? Almost definitely not.

Community feedback can help demonstrate that problems exist (A-wing weak, B-wing named pilots weak, TIE advanced weak, lack of Imperial epic, Rebel and Imperial getting crowded) but we can't claim credit for the ideas that solve them. To that the Imperial Raider, the Scum and Villainy Faction and the TIE phantom rules change exist solely because of forum threads suggesting them is grossly unsubstantiated.

In fact, I'm fairly sure it's legally dangerous to take anything too specific from the forums: if you post a complex idea and they look at it they can't copy it because you then have a claim to it. That's why their Customer Support says not to send "unsolicited design submissions" to them. With the exception of simple or obvious things note they've never taken an exact idea from the forums.

Community feedback is excellent for finding problems, but they find their own solutions.

I'm not disputing the idea the conversations on the forum have led to FFG doing different things in the game, but they seem to be several months, if not even a year ahead of what we know about in terms of development time so could it not also be that the game devs are a clever bunch that play the game we do and notice the same things and, along with feedback here and there, make adjustments. I guess without hard proof (which of course there may be that I'm just unaware of) I wouldn't want your list there to become justification for even more 'fix' shouting #twocents

I am. FFG reads these forums, but that's not a valid reason to attribute positive change to posters here. We're a vocal minority, and people are giving us way too much credit.

Summed up my entire point in a tenth of the words.

EDIT: "and I say that as one of the few people who has had a quantifiable impact on the game."
If you don't mind me asking, could you explain?

I edited it out, because it's ultimately irrelevant. One of the FAQ entries directly mirrors a rules issue we had sometime around the release of Rebel Aces. We have some influence over the development team, but addressing rules issues isn't quite the same as matters of balance, or card/ship design.

Fan ideas have given us:

-Autothrusters

-Tie Advanced title and sensor slot

-Scum and villainy

-Subforums

-Rebel aces

-Phantom movement adjustment

-the imperial epic ship via the magic of our 100+ page thread

Subforums sure, but can the community take credit for any of the others? Almost definitely not.

Community feedback can help demonstrate that problems exist (A-wing weak, B-wing named pilots weak, TIE advanced weak, lack of Imperial epic, Rebel and Imperial getting crowded) but we can't claim credit for the ideas that solve them. To that the Imperial Raider, the Scum and Villainy Faction and the TIE phantom rules change exist solely because of forum threads suggesting them is grossly unsubstantiated.

In fact, I'm fairly sure it's legally dangerous to take anything too specific from the forums: if you post a complex idea and they look at it they can't copy it because you then have a claim to it. That's why their Customer Support says not to send "unsolicited design submissions" to them. With the exception of simple or obvious things note they've never taken an exact idea from the forums.

Community feedback is excellent for finding problems, but they find their own solutions.

Autothrusters is very similar to my own idea in a thread and so is the tie advanced fix, both were changed of course my interceptor fix just removed one attack from a turret when out of arc, the tie advanced tittle i suggested just plain upped the number of red dice by one while other people suggested giving it a sensor slot and clearly both ideas were combined.

The end product is different but the core idea remains the same but ffg's is more polished having been play tested.

I don't get why you feel the need to take away the feeling we contribute to a game we love and are passionate for.

I don't get why you feel the need to take away the feeling we contribute to a game we love and are passionate for.

Because it's not true? You're saying you all but designed Autothrusters and ATC is a fusion of two forum ideas. I can't prove that's false but it sounds pretty far-fetched. Not to knock your ideas but neither of those three ideas are exactly wildly creative: they're both fairly obvious solutions to those problems and unless Alex Davy or Frank Brooks outright says they used the forum ideas you can't really claim credit for them.

*edited for weird typos*

I don't get why you feel the need to take away the feeling we contribute to a game we love and are passionate for.

Because it's not true? You're saying you all but designed Autothrusters and ATC is a fusion of two forum ideas. I can't prove that's false but it sounds pretty far-fetched. Not to knock your ideas but neither of those three ideas are exactly wildly creative: they're both fairly obvious solutions to those problems and unless Alex Davy or Frank Brooks outright says they used the forum ideas you can't really claim credit for them.

They gave credit to the X-Wing champ who suggested Stay On Target, so I think they would give credit when it's due. You can't just go around claiming "I had a similar idea to this thing that ended up happening, so I basically invented it myself."