From March of this year, the following list contains everything that is canon. If it isn't on this list, it is not canon.
Your list is very very out of date.
True. But at least my list was made this year.
Star Wars: Uprising
From March of this year, the following list contains everything that is canon. If it isn't on this list, it is not canon.
Your list is very very out of date.
True. But at least my list was made this year.
It doesn't matter if it was made this year. It doesn't reflect any of the information given by Star Wars writers "This year" about what is and isn't canon. That list you have was made mainly for newcomers to better help them get into SW lore quickly. Its like in school when your taking Algebra and they tell you for now that anything that is at the power of 0 equals 1. Its not exactly true but it gets you on your way till you get to the more relevant detailed courses or in this example when you find very new articles that are interviews with SW writers being asked about what is and isn't canon and they say things like "its all still canon if its contradicted its only the fine details that become non-canon" "or the EU isn't gone," or they are just going to fix whatever was made that could contradict their work to keep it canon.
From March of this year, the following list contains everything that is canon. If it isn't on this list, it is not canon.
Your list is very very out of date.
True. But at least my list was made this year.
It doesn't matter if it was made this year. It doesn't reflect any of the information given by Star Wars writers "This year" about what is and isn't canon. That list you have was made mainly for newcomers to better help them get into SW lore quickly. Its like in school when your taking Algebra and they tell you for now that anything that is at the power of 0 equals 1. Its not exactly true but it gets you on your way till you get to the more relevant detailed courses or in this example when you find very new articles that are interviews with SW writers being asked about what is and isn't canon and they say things like "its all still canon if its contradicted its only the fine details that become non-canon" "or the EU isn't gone," or they are just going to fix whatever was made that could contradict their work to keep it canon.
I would love to read these articles. If you can find them.
From March of this year, the following list contains everything that is canon. If it isn't on this list, it is not canon.
Your list is very very out of date.
True. But at least my list was made this year.
It doesn't matter if it was made this year. It doesn't reflect any of the information given by Star Wars writers "This year" about what is and isn't canon. That list you have was made mainly for newcomers to better help them get into SW lore quickly. Its like in school when your taking Algebra and they tell you for now that anything that is at the power of 0 equals 1. Its not exactly true but it gets you on your way till you get to the more relevant detailed courses or in this example when you find very new articles that are interviews with SW writers being asked about what is and isn't canon and they say things like "its all still canon if its contradicted its only the fine details that become non-canon" "or the EU isn't gone," or they are just going to fix whatever was made that could contradict their work to keep it canon.
I would love to read these articles. If you can find them.
Vigil, I found the article that you posted that image on, it is the most recent article on the net the next most recent being from Feb of this year. I haven't found anything that contradicts what you are saying at all.
From March of this year, the following list contains everything that is canon. If it isn't on this list, it is not canon.
Your list is very very out of date.
True. But at least my list was made this year.
It doesn't matter if it was made this year. It doesn't reflect any of the information given by Star Wars writers "This year" about what is and isn't canon. That list you have was made mainly for newcomers to better help them get into SW lore quickly. Its like in school when your taking Algebra and they tell you for now that anything that is at the power of 0 equals 1. Its not exactly true but it gets you on your way till you get to the more relevant detailed courses or in this example when you find very new articles that are interviews with SW writers being asked about what is and isn't canon and they say things like "its all still canon if its contradicted its only the fine details that become non-canon" "or the EU isn't gone," or they are just going to fix whatever was made that could contradict their work to keep it canon.
I would love to read these articles. If you can find them.
Vigil, I found the article that you posted that image on, it is the most recent article on the net the next most recent being from Feb of this year. I haven't found anything that contradicts what you are saying at all.
Like I said before, the thing they posted is for newcomers and it is missing lots of canon references and stories besides the Legends. Hell it doesn't even mention any of the material that FFG has added too SW canon, nor source books and it even lists material incorrectly.
I would love to read these articles. If you can find them.
I can only find the ones I am most familiar with from 2014, not that it matters what the said still applies, they are ether going to fix any conflicts new stories have with their own, or only the fine detail's of stories will become non-canon.
Only read what the authors and writers said, not the reviewer.
1: Star Wars EU is it really gone ( published august 1st 2014) lendarium my middleearth.com
2: Timothy Zahn tor.com Star Wars7 exclusive:JamesLuceno on tarkin & EU Dont worry the tar wars expanded universe is not going away because of episode VIItor.com
3:STAR WARS 7 exclusive: James Luceno on tarkin & EU
4: Dont Worry the star wars expanded universe is not going away because of ep VII tor.com
From March of this year, the following list contains everything that is canon. If it isn't on this list, it is not canon.
Your list is very very out of date.
True. But at least my list was made this year.
It doesn't matter if it was made this year. It doesn't reflect any of the information given by Star Wars writers "This year" about what is and isn't canon. That list you have was made mainly for newcomers to better help them get into SW lore quickly. Its like in school when your taking Algebra and they tell you for now that anything that is at the power of 0 equals 1. Its not exactly true but it gets you on your way till you get to the more relevant detailed courses or in this example when you find very new articles that are interviews with SW writers being asked about what is and isn't canon and they say things like "its all still canon if its contradicted its only the fine details that become non-canon" "or the EU isn't gone," or they are just going to fix whatever was made that could contradict their work to keep it canon.
I would love to read these articles. If you can find them.
Vigil, I found the article that you posted that image on, it is the most recent article on the net the next most recent being from Feb of this year. I haven't found anything that contradicts what you are saying at all.
Like I said before, the thing they posted is for newcomers and it is missing lots of canon references and stories besides the Legends. Hell it doesn't even mention any of the material that FFG has added too SW canon, nor source books and it even lists material incorrectly.
I would love to read these articles. If you can find them.
I can only find the ones I am most familiar with from 2014, not that it matters what the said still applies, they are ether going to fix any conflicts new stories have with their own, or only the fine detail's of stories will become non-canon.
Only read what the authors and writers said, not the reviewer.
1: Star Wars EU is it really gone ( published august 1st 2014) lendarium my middleearth.com
2: Timothy Zahn tor.com Star Wars7 exclusive:JamesLuceno on tarkin & EU Dont worry the tar wars expanded universe is not going away because of episode VIItor.com
3:STAR WARS 7 exclusive: James Luceno on tarkin & EU
4: Dont Worry the star wars expanded universe is not going away because of ep VII tor.com
LOL, you really don't research, look at:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars_canon
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Timeline_of_canon_media
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page
Where are your updated CURRENT LINKS? The statements you have posted are not substantiated and I have searched for them and not found them. You have lost all credibility with out proof. Are you a journalist like the mainstream media and making things up? Oh, and things change and then change back all the time, but you don't seem to want to except the change.
Edited by Osprey
Links?
ETA: Sniped.
ETA2: Per the wikipedia article linked by Osprey, all previously C-canon materials are now S-canon: Secondary canon. So in a sense (per that article) they both are and are not canon. They are canon in that they are "secondary canon". They are not canon in that
literally everything published since April of last year will supersede it
.
Aside: G-canon (movies), T-canon (TV), C-canon (comics, books, video games), S-canon (secondary canon - stuff that hasn't been contradicted on any higher level of canon), N-canon (non-canon). However, by all appearances, FucasFilms has changed the tiers to: Canon, Legends (stuff that used to be canon but is no longer canon), and stuff that isn't even Star Wars (and therefore not canon).
Link
.
However, the article that is cited on the wikipedia page saying as much does
not
say anything about secondary canon, except to say that the writers will have access to full library of the Legends/Extended Universe to take elements from. IOW, the Wikipedia article is contradicted by its own source.
Link .
The Wookieepedia article cited begins no earlier than
The Phantom Menace
and contains no mention of any previously EU materials from the period between
The Phantom Menace
and
The Return of the Jedi
.
So, with the exception of one Wikipedia article that is contradicted by its own cited source, from the evidence presented thus far, I cannot but conclude that there is no canon but the movies, TV shows, and books and comics published after April of last year.
I would love to read any evidence that suggests to the contrary that may supersede the evidence already given, which all links back to the owners of the property and their official statements on the matter.
Only read what the authors and writers said, not the reviewer.
1: Star Wars EU is it really gone ( published august 1st 2014) lendarium my middleearth.com
2: Timothy Zahn tor.com Star Wars7 exclusive:JamesLuceno on tarkin & EU Dont worry the tar wars expanded universe is not going away because of episode VIItor.com
3:STAR WARS 7 exclusive: James Luceno on tarkin & EU
4: Dont Worry the star wars expanded universe is not going away because of ep VII tor.com
LOL, you really don't research, look at:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars_canon
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Timeline_of_canon_media
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page
Where are your updated CURRENT LINKS? The statements you have posted are not substantiated and I have searched for them and not found them. You have lost all credibility with out proof. Are you a journalist like the mainstream media and making things up? Oh, and things change and then change back all the time, but you don't seem to want to except the change.
Your sources are wiki and wookieepedia sources. I shouldnt even have to say why reg Wiki isnt that great of a source. Wookieepedia is not a credable source. The wookieepedia "Admirals" I have seen are "****-*****" They have created false information and used it as a Source. They faked a quote from the SW CO in charge of publishing claiming she said on twiter "as far as she is concerned all techbooks and source books are canon as long as they are not contradicted." When asked on twiter if she said that she said she never did.
It is true sourcebooks are canon till contradicted BUT that information comes from a diffrent SW source.
These Wookieepedia Admirals are constantly merging fine details artical too artical for the sake saving space. One example being details about spesific Y-Wing blocks being merged together so they all appear to pretty much have the same loadouts.
More vile than the las two examples is their compulsive need too **** people over that have real life issues or for the sake of being petty. One example being a issue a user had with being stalked by a non-wookieepedia user. They had used a source from their own youtube account. They wanted to delete it so their stalker wouldnt follow them too their youtube account. No matter how much they tried the Wookiepedia Admirals kept putting links to his youtube account back on wookieepedia demanding all things posted on wookieepedia will remain on wookieepedia.
Oh and lets not forget the wookiepedias Admirals personal attack on all users on the Star Wars Battlefront wiki. They cyber slandered their names all over the channels, they didn't stop there though. The Admirals actully took the users from from the SWBF wiki and sued them because of C.R. issues. Apparently their SW articals looked tomuch like Wookiepedias articals.
So long story short **** wookieepedia most their articals are truly a frankenstienish mish mash mess of information that shouldnt be mixed together. The people I have seen runing it are liars and ******* for going out of their way to harm people that are dealing with real problems OR they just attack people for the lolz
That being said theres noway you couldnt have not found those articals I mentioned. If your going to pretend they dont exist we have nothing too talk about.
Links?
ETA: Sniped.
ETA2: Per the wikipedia article linked by Osprey, all previously C-canon materials are now S-canon: Secondary canon. So in a sense (per that article) they both are and are not canon. They are canon in that they are "secondary canon". They are not canon in that literally everything published since April of last year will supersede it .
Aside: G-canon (movies), T-canon (TV), C-canon (comics, books, video games), S-canon (secondary canon - stuff that hasn't been contradicted on any higher level of canon), N-canon (non-canon). However, by all appearances, FucasFilms has changed the tiers to: Canon, Legends (stuff that used to be canon but is no longer canon), and stuff that isn't even Star Wars (and therefore not canon).
Link .
However, the article that is cited on the wikipedia page saying as much does not say anything about secondary canon, except to say that the writers will have access to full library of the Legends/Extended Universe to take elements from. IOW, the Wikipedia article is contradicted by its own source.
Link .
The Wookieepedia article cited begins no earlier than The Phantom Menace and contains no mention of any previously EU materials from the period between The Phantom Menace and The Return of the Jedi .
So, with the exception of one Wikipedia article that is contradicted by its own cited source, from the evidence presented thus far, I cannot but conclude that there is no canon but the movies, TV shows, and books and comics published after April of last year.
I would love to read any evidence that suggests to the contrary that may supersede the evidence already given, which all links back to the owners of the property and their official statements on the matter.
Look up what I told you too look up, their will be no links.
Your mixing two canon systems together. The old ranking system doesnt apply, The Disney/LFL canon system is like this. Primary Canon, Secondary Canon type A (Based off what SW writters have said about legends.) and then Non-canon. Going by Chees statement about past games and canon, if its not a "Legend" its not canon. If all past EU were "non-canon" thier would be no point debating over labeling past EU media Legends or nothing at all. With all the other source I have posted for you too look at its pretty clear Legends is secondary canon type A, and even they some of these writters are also going to work in non-canon lore.
You really shouldnt have used wookieepedia as a source nor that list you posted because it ether posts / shows false information and is not complete. Like I said it doesnt bother too show the lore FFG has added too the SW canon, it doesnt show that all merchandice made by Hasbro at this point on is canon, FFG goes through the same approvel proccess Hasbro does just about FYI.
LOL, The Wiki and Wookiepedia pages both quote the Disney version of canon including Links to said Disney sight. Starwars.com is run by Disney AND Lucasfilms, Lucasarts and states the samething as wookipieda and wiki.
If you would read the articles Linked by me it states that EU is considered Legends and legends is not considered canon, legends has not been thrown in the trash due to the pool of ideas being so vast for additional stories, but until the stories are used by Disney they are noncanon. You my friend are not a credible source without direct links to what you are quoting due to you not being a professional working for Disney or Lucasarts.
I did a search for what you told me to do a search for, and guess what, it does not state anything I can find about canon. Therefore burden of proof lies on you.
Please do the search, post the exact links, because as far as your word goes, you are not an official source.
BTW:
2014 reboot
"The thing with legends is that parts of them are true."
―John Jackson Miller[src]
On April 25, 2014, a StarWars.com press release confirmed that the films of the sequel trilogy would not adhere to the post–Return of the Jedi Expanded Universe,[10] with further comments from LucasBooks Senior Editor Jennifer Heddle confirming that the EU as a whole is no longer considered canon. The EU has been re-termed "Legends," with related publications remaining in print under that banner.
Since then, the only previously published material still considered canon are the six original trilogy/prequel trilogy films and the Star Wars: The Clone Wars television series and film. Most material published after April 25—such as the Star Wars Rebels TV series and all novels beginning with A New Dawn—is also considered part of the new canon, on account of the creation of the Lucasfilm Story Group, which currently oversees continuity as a whole. Characters under the Legends banner are still available for use as needed, even if events concerning them are no longer canon.
Vigil, I am not calling you out but read past the different levels of canon on the page you quoted as there is't different levels of canon anymore.
Only read what the authors and writers said, not the reviewer.
1: Star Wars EU is it really gone ( published august 1st 2014) lendarium my middleearth.com
2: Timothy Zahn tor.com Star Wars7 exclusive:JamesLuceno on tarkin & EU Dont worry the tar wars expanded universe is not going away because of episode VIItor.com
3:STAR WARS 7 exclusive: James Luceno on tarkin & EU
4: Dont Worry the star wars expanded universe is not going away because of ep VII tor.com
LOL, you really don't research, look at:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars_canon
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Timeline_of_canon_media
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page
Where are your updated CURRENT LINKS? The statements you have posted are not substantiated and I have searched for them and not found them. You have lost all credibility with out proof. Are you a journalist like the mainstream media and making things up? Oh, and things change and then change back all the time, but you don't seem to want to except the change.
Your sources are wiki and wookieepedia sources. I shouldnt even have to say why reg Wiki isnt that great of a source. Wookieepedia is not a credable source. The wookieepedia "Admirals" I have seen are "****-*****" They have created false information and used it as a Source. They faked a quote from the SW CO in charge of publishing claiming she said on twiter "as far as she is concerned all techbooks and source books are canon as long as they are not contradicted." When asked on twiter if she said that she said she never did.
It is true sourcebooks are canon till contradicted BUT that information comes from a diffrent SW source.
These Wookieepedia Admirals are constantly merging fine details artical too artical for the sake saving space. One example being details about spesific Y-Wing blocks being merged together so they all appear to pretty much have the same loadouts.
More vile than the las two examples is their compulsive need too **** people over that have real life issues or for the sake of being petty. One example being a issue a user had with being stalked by a non-wookieepedia user. They had used a source from their own youtube account. They wanted to delete it so their stalker wouldnt follow them too their youtube account. No matter how much they tried the Wookiepedia Admirals kept putting links to his youtube account back on wookieepedia demanding all things posted on wookieepedia will remain on wookieepedia.
Oh and lets not forget the wookiepedias Admirals personal attack on all users on the Star Wars Battlefront wiki. They cyber slandered their names all over the channels, they didn't stop there though. The Admirals actully took the users from from the SWBF wiki and sued them because of C.R. issues. Apparently their SW articals looked tomuch like Wookiepedias articals.
So long story short **** wookieepedia most their articals are truly a frankenstienish mish mash mess of information that shouldnt be mixed together. The people I have seen runing it are liars and ******* for going out of their way to harm people that are dealing with real problems OR they just attack people for the lolz
That being said theres noway you couldnt have not found those articals I mentioned. If your going to pretend they dont exist we have nothing too talk about.
Links?
ETA: Sniped.
ETA2: Per the wikipedia article linked by Osprey, all previously C-canon materials are now S-canon: Secondary canon. So in a sense (per that article) they both are and are not canon. They are canon in that they are "secondary canon". They are not canon in that literally everything published since April of last year will supersede it .
Aside: G-canon (movies), T-canon (TV), C-canon (comics, books, video games), S-canon (secondary canon - stuff that hasn't been contradicted on any higher level of canon), N-canon (non-canon). However, by all appearances, FucasFilms has changed the tiers to: Canon, Legends (stuff that used to be canon but is no longer canon), and stuff that isn't even Star Wars (and therefore not canon).
Link .
However, the article that is cited on the wikipedia page saying as much does not say anything about secondary canon, except to say that the writers will have access to full library of the Legends/Extended Universe to take elements from. IOW, the Wikipedia article is contradicted by its own source.
Link .
The Wookieepedia article cited begins no earlier than The Phantom Menace and contains no mention of any previously EU materials from the period between The Phantom Menace and The Return of the Jedi .
So, with the exception of one Wikipedia article that is contradicted by its own cited source, from the evidence presented thus far, I cannot but conclude that there is no canon but the movies, TV shows, and books and comics published after April of last year.
I would love to read any evidence that suggests to the contrary that may supersede the evidence already given, which all links back to the owners of the property and their official statements on the matter.
Look up what I told you too look up, their will be no links.
Your mixing two canon systems together. The old ranking system doesnt apply, The Disney/LFL canon system is like this. Primary Canon, Secondary Canon type A (Based off what SW writters have said about legends.) and then Non-canon. Going by Chees statement about past games and canon, if its not a "Legend" its not canon. If all past EU were "non-canon" thier would be no point debating over labeling past EU media Legends or nothing at all. With all the other source I have posted for you too look at its pretty clear Legends is secondary canon type A, and even they some of these writters are also going to work in non-canon lore.
You really shouldnt have used wookieepedia as a source nor that list you posted because it ether posts / shows false information and is not complete. Like I said it doesnt bother too show the lore FFG has added too the SW canon, it doesnt show that all merchandice made by Hasbro at this point on is canon, FFG goes through the same approvel proccess Hasbro does just about FYI.
If you have evidence, post it.
The other people participating in this discussion have done so.
You cannot have a discussion in which party A says, "Grass is purple, the sky is red."
Party B says, "I cite Billy-Bob the Physicist when he said, 'X, Y, and z,' which demonstrates why you are wrong, grass is green, the sky is blue."
Party A refutes it by saying, "Look up some things that contradict that. Seriously. They exist. Trust me. You're wrong!"
This is like having a conversation with certain conspiracy nuts I've come across: "It's all open-source, right there on the intergoogle. Look it up, I'm not going to do it for you." (While passive-aggressively suggesting that because you're not looking it up that you're lazy and they're not lazy for not doing the same.)
You've made a claim, now show the evidence. If you're not going to show the evidence, then kindly refrain from placing your sausages on your keyboard; you're not adding anything to the discussion.
Vigil, I am not calling you out but read past the different levels of canon on the page you quoted as there is't different levels of canon anymore.
I'm aware that they have not stated that there are no levels of canon: Things either are canon or not. My statement was an extrapolation based on what has been said and reflects only my opinion.
