That was it. The boost took him off. He should have died right then. The chat was a buzz about the illegal take back. Chat was then told that both players agreed to ignore the rule and let him live contrary to what should have happened and the TO allowed it.

As is the TO's right in the absence of official direction, but it sounds like he was ruling that the boost itself wasn't legal.

Collusion among players to manipulate scoring is expressly forbidden. The TO, at his sole discretion, may remove players from the tournament for unsportsmanlike conduct.

Included in this provision (and this provision is not limited to premier level tournaments) is the protection of the Margins of Victory scores that are supposed to a) reflect an honest competition and b) determine the cut off. I question whether this provision makes the sort of colluded cooperation something the TO can ignore as long as "everyone concerned is okay with that".

The last tournament I was in one fellow was playing a Tie Swarm, and frankly, I didn't want to play that guy with the build I had tabled. If (by allowing my opponent to keep a ship in play after it had actually flown off the table) I could manipulate the margin of victory in order to avoid playing that guy, I would be colluding with my opponent to manipulate the MoV, for our mutual benefit. That is collusion, and here is the thing: it is still collusion even if I am unaware of how it will affect the outcome. Even if I am just trying to be a "nice guy" to my opponent, by "nicety" (in tournament play) affects people other than the person I imagine I am being nice to.

That is why collusion is "expressly" forbidden - and that is why I think TOs do not have the authority to condone it even if both players are "okay with it."

That was it. The boost took him off. He should have died right then. The chat was a buzz about the illegal take back. Chat was then told that both players agreed to ignore the rule and let him live contrary to what should have happened and the TO allowed it.

As is the TO's right in the absence of official direction, but it sounds like he was ruling that the boost itself wasn't legal.

But there is official direction, the FAQ literally covers boosting or barrel rolling off the board as legal and deadly.

Also I think the biggest loser in these take back situations is the opponent who is getting a do over. Yes they benefit there, but they're more likely to make that same stupid mistake again since they've now been taught that they aren't punished for it if they ask. You can't learn from mistakes you suffer no consequences for.

But there is official direction, the FAQ literally covers boosting or barrel rolling off the board as legal and deadly.

Yeah this isn't up for debate or anything. The plain text in the FAQ makes it very clear how this works. I'm all for the TO being able to deal with things as needed.

But that doesn't give them license to ignore the rules as written and anyone who gets it as wrong as this, has no place being a TO.

Given the information provided I'm going to cautiously agree on that one, although it's possible we're missing some critical piece of context.

I play against a friend every Wed night and Sun afternoon and the play is casual. However, one of the rules we adhere to unfailingly is off the board = gone. Why? Several reasons. If we want to play in competition we need to know and follow the rules. It forces us to pay better attention to our flying. Call it situational awareness. It's also a good source for friendly ribbing.

Last night I flew a B off the board because I reversed the dial. It was almost two of them. Sunday he S looped a full health Iggy off the board by the thickness of a template.

What I'm trying to say if the game is over pizza and pop at home or a pickup game at the flgs, whatever you agree to is fine. If it's a competition of any sort then it's by the rules. That way you both know what to expect and what's expected of you.

My question is why would you be playing a casual game at a premiere event?

you can't fault the TO/judge for jumping in when he sees a rules infraction that is what they are there for. Also since it is a premier event they have to presume every game is official and going to be put on the score sheet. Now while they should focus on the matches that will make it to the top 8 or the cut between undefeated players, a match between two 0-3 players at a Regionals is still a premier match and must be played according competitive rule standards. Even if the results of the match won't change anything as a 1-3 will never make the top cut it still will be played out accordingly. So yeah whoever wins might not matter but how you play and your conduct while at that game still matters.

Even if you don't play to win at premier events, you still play by the rules at premier events!

Is it necroposting when a thread is only a month old?

Considering how hard it seems many are on the thought of pointing out game triggers the thought of allowing this to happen is just insane.

People also get down on anyone suggesting that intentional draws be allowed or that there should be some way to end a game early without giving up a full concession and sacrificing all of one side's ships. If those are Collusion, and thus so against the rules that anyone doing it could be tossed out of a tournament, then allowing play to continue with a ship that should be destroyed must be viewed the same way.

There are so many ways to ask the same question to divide the X-Wing community. {insert_rule}, fly casual {!rule}, competitive {rule}. This debate will never end and will go on forever. It gets to the point where all you have to do is keep escalating the broken rule to see where the "fly casual" and "competitive" players meet.

New Questions:

If you'er playing in a friendly local store tournament and you notice 15min into the match that your opponent is flying a squad 15 points over the point limit what do you do?

I shot at his ship twice the first shot I rolled 2 hits and he rolled 3 focus( he had the focus token but didn't use it). The second shot I rolled all blanks and he asked if he could spend his focus on the previous attack so he would take no damage this attack phase. What should I do?

To most of you these questions sound ridiculous (and they are). In my mind any time a rule is broken and not enforced, it sounds just as ridiculous as these examples. "Fly Casual" should be how we treat each other during the course of the game. It should have nothing to do with wether you let a rule go by. There is no reason we can't both enjoy the game while following the rules.

Every so often in premier level tournaments, when i set my dials i bump the table a little bit. upon correcting it, i slip the card i set under the mat up to the table so my list falls exactly at 104 points. every game.

oh and when my opponent isnt looking, i add a height peg to my ships.

Every so often in premier level tournaments, when i set my dials i bump the table a little bit. upon correcting it, i slip the card i set under the mat up to the table so my list falls exactly at 104 points. every game.

oh and when my opponent isnt looking, i add a height peg to my ships.

So you end your game with your ships on 6 pegs?

Back to the subject:

Whatever we want a TO and his/her fellow judges to do, it is situational every time.

Yes there are rules, yes some judges are more strict than others. This happens with every sport and every game.

We can be nitpicking with every example imaginable but in the end we play a game and at a high stake tournament we want to win.

I played a tournament where the winner was treated very lenient by everyone, because he was allowed to perform any action he forgot after all the ships had moved. It was in a gaming club and I, not being a member of the club and a foreigner in a new environment to boot, didn´t complain. It didn´t feel worth it to me, though that doesn´t mean it is not worth it to someone else.

Focus on your own matches and when something happens which you don´t like, call the TO. That´s all you can do.

Me? If my ship flies of the board, it flies of the board. The only exception I make is I claim my pilot didn´t die, but escaped to fight another day