*NCF/NP - Not a current Faction (Planetary Defence/Corporate Sector) and/or no Pirate Affiliation.

Is Scum & Villainy specifically only criminal organizations?

That's why I never liked that faction name. It should have been Privateers.

I appreciate your determination, but think about the name "Scum & Villainy"

It's not exactly planetary defense.

Pinook Fighter - CSA NCF/NP, "The performance of the Pinook was so poor that it was regularly ridiculed by the public."

That just means it'd be super cheap. TIE Fighters don't have to be the only swarm.

They aren't the only swarms, there's the Z-95 Headhunter now.

Most people don't think we'll see a fighter for less than 12 points.

Fantasy Flight Games is proud to announce that in the sixth wave of starship expansions for X-Wing ™ the galaxy’s Scum and Villainy will join the game's fast-paced space battles as its third faction!

The ranks of the Scum and Villainy faction are filled with many of the Star Wars galaxy’s most notorious bounty hunters, pirates, and Black Sun agents. You’ll find such infamous figures as Boba Fett, IG-88, Greedo, and Prince Xizor. These Scum live outside the law, do their best to remain at the periphery of the ongoing Galactic Civil War, and allow no one – no one – to threaten their profits.

A ship that costs less than 12 would have to be literally worse than the TIE Fighter and Z95.

And the Pinook is literally worse than both. Maybe since it has the option to install countermeasures on the ship , we could argue that it's a small ship that can take "large ship only" upgrades?

I imagine it being A2D1H2S1 and the dial would be a bit better than a Y-wings.

I was always surprised that the Z-95 was the same price as a TIE Fighter. I mean, the thing has shields and missiles.

Although I guess in this game shields aren't as big a deal as they are in the video games since they don't recharge without special upgrades.

I was always surprised that the Z-95 was the same price as a TIE Fighter. I mean, the thing has shields and missiles.

Although I guess in this game shields aren't as big a deal as they are in the video games since they don't recharge without special upgrades.

Shields spare you a critical hit which could be instant death for a Z-95 if it's a Direct Hit.

... So other than the missing ships you mentioned, you think the chart is perfect?

So other than the missing ships you mentioned, you think the chart is perfect?

I think it's odd that the Sentinel is the next TIE on the schedule, given that it's basically just concept art and hasn't actually appeared in anything yet.

Other than that, yeah, it looks pretty sharp.

So other than the missing ships you mentioned, you think the chart is perfect?

I think it's odd that the Sentinel is the next TIE on the schedule, given that it's basically just concept art and hasn't actually appeared in anything yet.

Other than that, yeah, it looks pretty sharp.

Well it comes from Star Wars Galaxies: An Empire Divided

where it made it's appearance, and was a playable ship.

It's were several of the current (and future) ships are from:

• Kihraxz assault fighter
• M3-A Scyk fighter

It's up front next because I've never seen a more bad ass TIE fighter,

I mean two turrets? That's pretty impressive.

Actually I was going by this http://swg.wikia.com/wiki/Emperor%27s_Eyes_%28TIE_Sentinel%29

which is probably referring to the painting being obtainable, not the actual ship.

But in all seriousness if they can make up a completely new ship,

surely they can take inspiration from this and bring it to life.

I see that you have August as the release date for the Raider. Do you have a source or is it an educated guess?

I see that you have August as the release date for the Raider. Do you have a source or is it an educated guess?

Mathematical Guesstimation.

Actually I was going by this http://swg.wikia.com/wiki/Emperor%27s_Eyes_%28TIE_Sentinel%29

which is probably referring to the painting being obtainable, not the actual ship.

But in all seriousness if they can make up a completely new ship,

surely they can take inspiration from this and bring it to life.

That. The ship was only ever a painting in SWG.

I'm not saying they shouldn't add it eventually. Just after ships that were actually playable, like the Aggressor, Oppressor, Hunter, Avenger, etc.

Actually I was going by this http://swg.wikia.com/wiki/Emperor%27s_Eyes_%28TIE_Sentinel%29

which is probably referring to the painting being obtainable, not the actual ship.

But in all seriousness if they can make up a completely new ship,

surely they can take inspiration from this and bring it to life.

That. The ship was only ever a painting in SWG.

I'm not saying they shouldn't add it eventually. Just after ships that were actually playable, like the Aggressor, Oppressor, Hunter, Avenger, etc.

It should be easy to bump things Imperial up one,

("Aggressor, Oppressor, Hunter, Avenger")

at least four times I'm going to guess?

I mean, that works for me. But I'm sure other people might want the Assault Gunboat and Missile Boat moved up too.

Having said that... Star Wars is a franchise built on selling toys: action figures, models, LEGO sets, toy blasters and lightsabers, and now miniatures. So we might just get a bunch of ships, but they may only get brief cameos in the movie. Hell, considering how CGI guys like to throw easter eggs in, we might briefly glimpse the JJ-prise (or the USS Kelvin or Vengeance) and the Serenity. (Not that I expect either ship to play a role in the merchandizing of the film.)

So you're saying I should leave the USS Enterprise off the list for now.

Oh, since you mention it... you should add the Serenity, the Battlestar Galactica, and the USS Defiant.

Having said that... Star Wars is a franchise built on selling toys: action figures, models, LEGO sets, toy blasters and lightsabers, and now miniatures. So we might just get a bunch of ships, but they may only get brief cameos in the movie. Hell, considering how CGI guys like to throw easter eggs in, we might briefly glimpse the JJ-prise (or the USS Kelvin or Vengeance) and the Serenity. (Not that I expect either ship to play a role in the merchandizing of the film.)

So you're saying I should leave the USS Enterprise off the list for now.

Oh, since you mention it... you should add the Serenity, the Battlestar Galactica, and the USS Defiant.

Since you mention it...

There are 450 scale USS Defiant model kits out there.

Good god, the whining about waiting for the Raider on that other thread, unbearable.

GR75 8/20/2013 to 4/30/2014 = 253 days

CR90 8/20/2013 to 5/23/2014 = 276 days

Raider 12/19/2014 + 253 days = 8/29/2015

Raider 12/19/2014 + 276 days = 9/21/2015

"Gen Con 2015, taking place in Indianapolis from July 30 - August 2, 2015."

Sorry to break it to you but the Raider will very likely be release at Gen Con.

Having said that... Star Wars is a franchise built on selling toys: action figures, models, LEGO sets, toy blasters and lightsabers, and now miniatures. So we might just get a bunch of ships, but they may only get brief cameos in the movie. Hell, considering how CGI guys like to throw easter eggs in, we might briefly glimpse the JJ-prise (or the USS Kelvin or Vengeance) and the Serenity. (Not that I expect either ship to play a role in the merchandizing of the film.)

So you're saying I should leave the USS Enterprise off the list for now.

Oh, since you mention it... you should add the Serenity, the Battlestar Galactica, and the USS Defiant.

Since you mention it...

There are 450 scale USS Defiant model kits out there.

Can we also add the Gunstar from The Last Starfighter? The Death Blossom will be a truly awesome secondary weapon.

Having said that... Star Wars is a franchise built on selling toys: action figures, models, LEGO sets, toy blasters and lightsabers, and now miniatures. So we might just get a bunch of ships, but they may only get brief cameos in the movie. Hell, considering how CGI guys like to throw easter eggs in, we might briefly glimpse the JJ-prise (or the USS Kelvin or Vengeance) and the Serenity. (Not that I expect either ship to play a role in the merchandizing of the film.)

So you're saying I should leave the USS Enterprise off the list for now.

Oh, since you mention it... you should add the Serenity, the Battlestar Galactica, and the USS Defiant.

Since you mention it...

There are 450 scale USS Defiant model kits out there.

Can we also add the Gunstar from The Last Starfighter? The Death Blossom will be a truly awesome secondary weapon.

A Gunstar is the primary space superiority fighter and attack craft deployed by the Star League. Capable of both short and long-range space flight, the Gunstar is a two-person craft. It is approximately 20 meters in length and carries two, a pilot and a gunner.

20 meters puts it just into the large base range, same length as the Lambda shuttle (7.41cm/ 3"). I doubt you'd find a model that size but maybe an old toy. I hope you don't think I'm advocating FFG introduce other universe ships, I'd just like to try a personal custom/casual thing myself. My top pick would still be the USS Reliant, with the CR90 corvette being just a bit smaller than one engine nacelle (150m/173.5m), the overall length being 277.75 meters (miniature at 450 scale 61.72 cm/ 24.3 inches).

http://www.papercraftsquare.com/?s=Gunstar

http://www.papercraftsquare.com/?s=Tydirium

http://www.papercraftsquare.com/?s=Klingon+D-7

http://www.papercraftsquare.com/star-wars-millenniue-falcon-yt-1300-492727zed-free-paper-model-download.html

Nah, didn't think you were but just thought I'd throw some other sci-fi in there.

♦ Lonely Five

Sitra piloted [Lonely Five] in many air and space battles alongside the bravest star pilots in the Rebel Alliance, who fought alongside her in their X-wing and Y-wing starfighters.

♦ ARC-170

During the Galactic Civil War, ARC-170s could be found in both Imperial and Rebel fleets, where they were considered elite craft.

One old ARC-170 was found in an old secret hangar of the Rebel Alliance on the planet Dathomir. The Wookiees Imarrra and Orrekazzapirr took this ARC-170 after they had been freed from the Imperial prison facility and managed to punch a hole through the Imperial blockade around the planet.

♦ N-1 Starfighter

Although their technology was outdated by the time of the post-Clone Wars era, N-1s remained in use for many years, even as late as between 2 BBY and 0 BBY, where several N-1s owned by a Rebel Alliance cell on Naboo were used against Lucrehulk-class battleships and Vulture droid fighters sent to Naboo by an unknown party. In 4 ABY, they flew across the skies of Theed during an uprising against the Empire. Some were seen in use by the Rebel Alliance and Rebel sympathizers.

"Nobody's commented on my thread in three days, time to bump it with something irrelevant."

♦ Junker (YT-2400 light freighter)

The Junker was a YT-2400 light freighter heavily modified by the criminal Reegas Vance. He armed it with plasma cannons, and replaced the escape pod port with a Starhawk shuttle,[1] the Flotsam, located on the starboard side. Under Khedryn Faal, the Junker no longer had plasma cannons, and was equipped with an amplified sensor array and remote start.

I see a "Most Wanted 2" on the horizon.

"Nobody's commented on my thread in three days, time to bump it with something irrelevant."

Almost seems like it was mistakenly posted here instead of here.

ZOMG, my Hyundai hybrid has remote start! Gabe, I think you just stumbled onto wave 22.5, which, if I'm reading your charts right, should be releasing in 2022.

I think the problem here is its wild speculation about the xwing game taken completely in a vaccum

You have to think of FFG as a business.

As they release more games (imperial assault, armada etc and not to mention the dozens of licences they aquire) they are going to have to either expand dramatically or slow down the release of new stuff for well established games.

They will certainly put most of their time and effort into the game that makes the most money. We have no idea what they will licence in the next few years.

Imagine GW goes bust and they buy up the 40k licence. Im pretty sure then they'd be putting xwing on the back burner to rush out all the core stuff for 40. Just an example.

Personally having worked in the industry I would expect a 2nd edition around year 5 after a games release. its the usual as by that time your original market is getting bored of it, you've sold all you can sell to them and it looks dated to a new market.

At GW we used to redo the core set every five years (roughly) for 40k and WFB. secondary system games were put out for two years and then pulled of sale with some having 10 year (ish) re-releases like space hulk and epic/spacemarine/titanicus and bloodbowl.

I think Games Workshop and Fantasy Flight Games are two very different beasts.

I never claimed the expansion release date chart was accurate or realistic though.

I did say there was a math based method on the date side of it but never used the words prediction/accurate. I don't concur that the speculation is done completely in vacuum as the extrapolations are build on substantive expansion data. There are determinable patterns.

... I started on the chart and graph because I found the "Official Wave 11 speculation" thread almost offensive, so I had to see if it was possible. But as I already said "it is only one variation/version." It can easily be revised to have more expansions per date, or earlier dates, or different ships per date (I know it's easier for people to whine then to type their own ideas in the boxes). It's not like I can make an animated gif with all the possibilities rotating in place every few seconds...

or well maybe...

I'll get back to you on that one,

jk/lol.

I don't see their release dates happening exactly the same, as I keep saying, the chart is one variation/version.

I may sound like a purist but I don't imagine they need to do a full 2.0 rule revision, maybe a second edition with the FAQ trimmed into the rulebook and included with it.

I see the miniatures coming first and the new abilities and rules as second, so when you talk about limited design space I see people happy with new pilots and new miniatures and limited design space not mattering. FFG didn't predict the game would be as popular as it is, so I would expect you underestimate it's longevity as well.

I could do a variety of versions, but have held back until I've had more collaborative input. Plenty of people have said they appreciated, and some have offered suggestions, but not enough yet to do a version 3.0

It's not that I want to see a wave 22, I was just curious how high I could take it with available Star Wars starships/starfighters.

I think the chart, with all it's dimensions/aspects, is more enlightening then a list. People have thanked me for the effort and compiling the data, some have acknowledged that there are a lot of new ideas in the chart. I'm satisfied with that, but if I can improve it I will.

I keep finding other ships, interesting histories, and I know I can add several more waves beyond the 22nd.

Extrapolating the dates is useful to view the larger picture and know how late the raider really is. I hope it's updated as new releases are actually released to see how the trends continue.

Clearly different companies but they still sell games to the same demographic. People who expect games to have new editions periodically.

Equally the laws of economics apply to both companies.

If they get a better selling new licence they will spend more time and resources making products for that item. It would be madness not to.

Predictions for the next ten years of Xwing like these based on past three years sales are utterly meaningless and show a lack of understanding of how the wargames industry works.

But i've only been working in the industry on and off for a decade.. what do i know