Warlord question

By Scizzler, in Star Wars: Armada Rules Questions

Can I use H9 Turbolaser (turns hit or crit to accuracy) on a red dice then use warlord to change that accuracy to a double hit? Can you even modify dice twice like that?

Thanks in advance.

That is legal. There have been other threads on modifying dice more than once and your example came up there as well. It's not easy to get these combos off, but when you can they're quite nice.

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Edited by drachau

Anything that happens simultaneously like this, you get to choose which order to resolve abilities.

Also, thank you for showing me a reason to consider H9s :P Gimmicky, but interesting combo.

Im dubious about warlord being able to be used to turn to the double hit side, as it says you may change it to a facing with "a" hit icon. "A" implies singular, not a facing with hit icon/s. Screed and/or using warlord on black dice is fine though as on black dice the face with crit and hit is still only "a" single crit icon and "a" single hit icon.

Edited by MaverickNZ

Im dubious about warlord being able to be used to turn to the double hit side, as it says you may change it to a facing with "a" hit icon. "A" implies singular, not a facing with hit icon/s. Screed and/or using warlord on black dice is fine though as on black dice the face with crit and hit is still only "a" single crit icon and "a" single hit icon.

"A" does not necessarily imply anything. If I have 5 $20 bills in my wallet and someone asks if I have a 20, the answer is yes.

If FFG wanted to make that distinction, Warlord would read more like your last sentence. Something like "a single hit icon" or "one hit icon."

By saying "a hit icon" it should allow the double hit.

By adopting your definition of "a," there are a crap ton of rules affected. Examples:

Are you also saying that H9s can't convert a double hit to an accuracy?

If I use two accuracies on a single defense token, does ECM no longer work?

Minefields says if i stop within distance one of "an" objective token, I roll two blue dice. If I land within range of two of more, does it not apply?

Edited by willismaximus

Im dubious about warlord being able to be used to turn to the double hit side, as it says you may change it to a facing with "a" hit icon. "A" implies singular, not a facing with hit icon/s. Screed and/or using warlord on black dice is fine though as on black dice the face with crit and hit is still only "a" single crit icon and "a" single hit icon.

"A" does not necessarily imply anything. If I have 5 $20 bills in my wallet and someone asks if I have a 20, the answer is yes.

If FFG wanted to make that distinction, Warlord would read more like your last sentence. Something like "a single hit icon" or "one hit icon."

By saying "a hit icon" it should allow the double hit.

By adopting your definition of "a," there are a crap ton of rules affected. Examples:

Are you also saying that H9s can't convert a double hit to an accuracy?

If I use two accuracies on a single defense token, does ECM no longer work?

Minefields says if i stop within distance one of "an" objective token, I roll two blue dice. If I land within range of two of more, does it not apply?

I would say that the H9's cant convert the double hit, yes.

You spend an accuracy to prevent an opponent from using a defense token, ECM would come after that, so you wouldnt then be able to go back to spending accuracies again, so its not comparable.

With Minefields, you would roll two dice for each objective token you landed within distance one of, because its "an", meaning it identifies each token as a singluar, so you have to resolve seperately for each as a singluar event, first one, then the other. - again, not comparable because it is different wording.

Edited by MaverickNZ

I will tell you right now rrg and raw allow warlord to make a red die a double hit,your argument is very superficial and Is'nt backed by anything eles in the rules, unless I missed simthing somwhere.

Edit: just reread my post and it could sound a little condescending, I do not mean to be so please don't take offense

Edited by clontroper5

And we have the ruling allowing Screed to double up to a crit/hit combo off the same wording. Even though it is a slightly different situation, it does set precedent.

Edited by DWRR

And we have the ruling allowing Screed to double up to a crit/hit combo off the same wording. Even though it is a slightly different situation, it does set precedent.

And to embellish this point, this "ruling" that is mentioned is that FFG has explicitly made the case that this is possible, and a useful tactic with Screed. Pretty sure the wording is similar there to what we have here, and therefore, yes, it is valid to switch to any die face containing a "hit," even to a face with "double hits."

It's gamey and counter-intuitive (IMO), but the answers seems to be 'yes' despite my misgivings :P

It's gamey and counter-intuitive (IMO),

I certainly don't think so. It never even occurred to me that anyone would question this until I found threads about it on this forum, and I still don't understand why anyone doubts it.

Im dubious about warlord being able to be used to turn to the double hit side, as it says you may change it to a facing with "a" hit icon. "A" implies singular, not a facing with hit icon/s. Screed and/or using warlord on black dice is fine though as on black dice the face with crit and hit is still only "a" single crit icon and "a" single hit icon.

:huh:

If you own 2 dogs and someone ask you "Do you own a dog" I am pretty sure you will answer yes.

If you are a warrior and your general tell you to "shoot as soon as you see an enemy", I am pretty sure you will shoot even if you see 2 or more of them.

We know. No need to necro.