Draw their fire and greedo

By Bloodstripe Baron, in X-Wing Rules Questions

Does dtf work to mitigate the damage of greedo?

I'm guessing not since greedo is a normal damage dealt face up and not a Crit.

No. Greedo does not change a hit to a crit. Greedo just says that the first damage card dealt is faceup. It cannot be pulled away from DTF, though either Chewy can still be used on it.

Curiously, there IS an interaction between the cards.
If the ship with Greedo has multiple attacks in a round even if the first one hits (like, say, from a Huge ship), then DTF can pull the acs.png, and suffer it instead of the first ship.

If that would have hit shields, then Greedo would have triggered on the second salvo, as he cares only about the first card dealt. However, if the first acs.png is DTF'd onto a ship without shields, then its dealt as a face-up damage card, and Greedo is essentially negated offensively.

Oddly, this also works if you put Draw Their Fire onto a ship carrying Greedo, to prevent a later ship from dealing your fleet an extra face-up damage card.

Curiously, there IS an interaction between the cards.

If the ship with Greedo has multiple attacks in a round even if the first one hits (like, say, from a Huge ship), then DTF can pull the acs.png, and suffer it instead of the first ship.

If that would have hit shields, then Greedo would have triggered on the second salvo, as he cares only about the first card dealt. However, if the first acs.png is DTF'd onto a ship without shields, then its dealt as a face-up damage card, and Greedo is essentially negated offensively.

Oddly, this also works if you put Draw Their Fire onto a ship carrying Greedo, to prevent a later ship from dealing your fleet an extra face-up damage card.

This is incorrect. Greedo doesn't trigger on the second attack. Greedo is only triggered during the first attack or defense on any given round.

Curiously, there IS an interaction between the cards.

If the ship with Greedo has multiple attacks in a round even if the first one hits (like, say, from a Huge ship), then DTF can pull the acs.png, and suffer it instead of the first ship.

If that would have hit shields, then Greedo would have triggered on the second salvo, as he cares only about the first card dealt. However, if the first acs.png is DTF'd onto a ship without shields, then its dealt as a face-up damage card, and Greedo is essentially negated offensively.

Oddly, this also works if you put Draw Their Fire onto a ship carrying Greedo, to prevent a later ship from dealing your fleet an extra face-up damage card.

This is incorrect. Greedo doesn't trigger on the second attack. Greedo is only triggered during the first attack or defense on any given round.

And now I go and look up the actual wording...

Yep. You're right. 'Swhat I get for trying to clever after a 6+ hour shift at a register.

So maybe we need to add. Do what the card says not what you remember it to say.

Curiously, there IS an interaction between the cards.

If the ship with Greedo has multiple attacks in a round even if the first one hits (like, say, from a Huge ship), then DTF can pull the acs.png, and suffer it instead of the first ship.

If that would have hit shields, then Greedo would have triggered on the second salvo, as he cares only about the first card dealt. However, if the first acs.png is DTF'd onto a ship without shields, then its dealt as a face-up damage card, and Greedo is essentially negated offensively.

Oddly, this also works if you put Draw Their Fire onto a ship carrying Greedo, to prevent a later ship from dealing your fleet an extra face-up damage card.

This is incorrect. Greedo doesn't trigger on the second attack. Greedo is only triggered during the first attack or defense on any given round.

And now I go and look up the actual wording...

Yep. You're right. 'Swhat I get for trying to clever after a 6+ hour shift at a register.

But Greedo would trigger on a single attack if at least a hit and a crit got through without being cancelled and the ship with DTF had shields remaining while the target of the attack had none.

Actually, even if the ship with DTF pulls the crit and is dealt a card does that card count as being dealt by the attack?

Actually, even if the ship with DTF pulls the crit and is dealt a card does that card count as being dealt by the attack?

.... I'm pretty sure yes. The ship with DTF simply suffers the damage from it.

So quick one about Greedo: does he actually give a faceup damage card even when i don't roll a crit?

Say I roll a hit hit crit. Do I have to pick up damage cards face up, face down and face up?

Actually, even if the ship with DTF pulls the crit and is dealt a card does that card count as being dealt by the attack?

.... I'm pretty sure yes. The ship with DTF simply suffers the damage from it.

But Greedo still doesn't apply because that damage card is already being dealt face-up.

So quick one about Greedo: does he actually give a faceup damage card even when i don't roll a crit?

Say I roll a hit hit crit. Do I have to pick up damage cards face up, face down and face up?

Yes. Greedo deals the first damage card from the first attack face-up. Regular damage is always dealt before critical damage, so assuming that you didn't evade any of the attack results, your would take your first and third cards face-up.

Actually, even if the ship with DTF pulls the crit and is dealt a card does that card count as being dealt by the attack?

.... I'm pretty sure yes. The ship with DTF simply suffers the damage from it.

Example:

Howlrunner is attacked.

BSP with DTF is nearby.

Attack results in the following uncanceled results against Howlrunner: HIT CRIT

BSP pulls the crit from Howlrunner.

First result resolved is the HIT against Howlrunner.

Greedo causes this card to be dealt Faceup.

CRIT result is resolved against BSP. It's a crit, so it is dealt Faceup.

Actually, even if the ship with DTF pulls the crit and is dealt a card does that card count as being dealt by the attack?

We've never really locked this one down conclusively. DTF may let the result be executed in the normal flow, and just change where it lands, or it may cause the result to be suffered immediately when the ability is used. It's been generally hypothetical and academic (DTF vs. Ion Cannon Crit) but it could actually matter here, and there's nothing that really points to it working one way or the other.