I'm going with spores, as mentioned in 40k and hinted at (IIRC) in the recent Orcs & Goblins army book. Any other theories? Not many female greenskins in the fluff, but we do have a goblin cheerleader in Blood Bowl.

I WANT ORC RUMPY PUMPY, LET THE VIRGINS AND KIDS PLAY WITH SPORES!

Spores. Rumpy Pumpy is for.... well, everyone else except the Undead.

I actually have some very old GW female orcs. One is holding a rolling pin and shaking her fist, the other is holding a baby orc upsidedown by its leg. I also have 2 or 3 female orc cheerleaders for Bloodbowl. They are rare, but there's two or three out there. Perhaps they are just effeminate orcs with particularly stylish hair squigs and strange lumpy chest growths.

There are few concepts more gross than a female orc or goblin. Ew.

Necrozius said:

Which is one of the reasons why Greenskin Females are so important and much better than Fungus Orcs.

***warning a slight Empire in Flames spoiler***

In the first edition in the book "empire in flames", a orc and goblin harem was completely detailed with names and characteristics. Yes and most of them where female orcs and goblins.

I strongly resent the idea that orcs are nothing but mushrooms. They breed like all mammals do!!! End of discussion. what they do in boardgames or miniature games are irrelevant, since the warhammer rpg is going in another direction than the miniature game. FFG had said so themselves.

Yes there is some collarboration between FFG and GW, but FFG decides what they want with warhammer rpg, that is my understanding of the license.

It was the elf in my group that discovered the orc & goblin harem, allready an high wizard, but serious addicted to angel dust since Middenheim, he locked himself in with the females with a malicous glee. I said "look, are you really going to kill these harmless female orcs? in fact one of the female orcs who are the least ugliest, and wearing a blonde wig, tries to calm you by offering you wine from a goblet, please reconsider". his response where something like this: "No. No I am not going to kill them" *snort* *snort* (showing that he sniffs some powder), pauses, and than continues in a entusiasthic voice "who`s your daddy? come to daddy". What happened than is to graphic to describe, but it went on for hours.

It was a weird game evening.

Spores... the concept alone gives me headaches! My Orcs are men and do the real stuff

There is another thread mentioning half-thingies; I always wondered if (in my warhammer world) I should allow Halforcs; would be an interesting character to play or to encounter! Since the Dragonlance, Half-elves are cool, but no one tries to sympathize with these poor bastards!

I remember Bjorni mentioning goblin whores in a red lamp district, who turned out to be short human women painted green, in one of the Slayer books.

And the orc with boobs? Maybe it was a mutant of Slaneesh.

In my book it's spores AND rumpy pumpy. Spores because it allows orcs to get everywhere, rumpy pumpy because they can and they want to!!!

Both.

I would go for female Orcs. Similar as female Skaven. Basically "breeding-machines" well protected, rare, hidden... Every patch of Greenskins born are large in numbers (for example 1d10 baby greenskins - any type) and very short pregnancy.

But, I had idea or theory, that there are also spores, which create Greenskins without sex. These spores are created as side-result for example of "Waaagh! Magic" or similar. Now, this might be the evelution of Greenskin race. What do I mean by this? Well, now they have females, +10 000 years, they may still have females, but then there are alot more spores. Which are created from the release of "Waaagh! Energy" (which every Greenskin produce more or less) and their magic. And finally (just for example +20 000 years) there suddenly is no more female Greenskins?!?!

How about that?

Back in the Enemy with in (as already mentioned) there are female orc.

As to half breeds. In the bestiary section of WFRP 1's core book there are half orcs.

I'm horrified at the thought that somewhere, in some dim corner of the web, some kind of porn probably exists about this very subject.

What's that law called again?

Necrozius said:

www.GorkaMorkaPorka.*** lol

Rumpy-Rumpy.

To me, the idea of spore-grown orcs strikes me at too biologically ludicrous to wrap my desire for a compelling game world around. Perhaps that means that I'm limited, but if I wanted far-out deep-end fantasy, I'd be playing a different game.

Necrozius said:

Rule 34

jackdays said:

I was thinking the same thing. I am currently reading The Red Queen: Sex and the Evolution of Human Nature by Matt Ridley. He questions why sex exists as it is rather inefficeint and or overly complicated for any of its proposed purposes. Anyway he talks about something I had never heard of in animals(not that Im a great font of biological knowledge) which is there are creatures that reproduce both sexually and asexually. Many insect eggs that arent fertilized become female (queens or workers) and the males only result from fertilized eggs. Also some species will reproduce without breeding for a few generations only to do so sexually later, usually just before going dormant for months or years (water fleas in a pond that will dry during the mid to late summer, will asexually reproduce for the rainy season and then sexually as the water level starts lowering and then hibernate during the dry season). This would solve the issue as everyone would be correct.

Also as an aside if Orcs do reproduce asexually all of them would be female

Dagda said:

Maybe they lay a clutch of eggs.

Dagda said:

There's a joke about the "Not so fresh feeling" commercial in there somewhere...

I agree with sexual reproduction because of my WHFRP 1ed roots.

I seem to recall that in one of the old Warhammer 40k sourcebooks (it might of been Warrrggh Orks; and no I'm not sure how many rs and gs there should be in Warrrggh) it mentioned that Orks were asexual and new Orks developed in old Orks marsupial-like pouches. Perhaps they ARE all female. Personally I like the spores idea because it explains how they can breed so quickly and sustain their population despite near constant infighting and all that.

If they're spores it would be very interesting. An explorer brought a strange plant he found deep in a cave to the nobel he works for, but since he's only interested in exotic treasures and not exotic plants, he stores it in one of his many cellars. And suddenly a group of Orks pop out of nowhere and take over his large mansion! Enter Residence Evil (with Orks) or something similar.

fungi can have asexual and sexual spores depending on the specimen.

so one possible version is that orcs have females that disperse spores after fertilaztion. this a forcible ejection, maybe through emptying methane from bowels. This would allow the spores to travel fast, practically shooting out from the females rectum. Listen how silly this is.

Orcs are mammals thus they breed, again the entire fungus hypothesis, are coming from Gorkha-Morkha a silly boardgame not meant to incorperated into warhammer rpg. Besides in the Bestiary, there are now mentions of springing from spores. in fact several times however they mention the different breed of orcs. This strongly implicate that they are born not grown.

You don`t grow horses, you breed horses, in the same way you don`t breed carrots, you grew them, and you cultivate fungi.

To end this discussion the offical view of orcs and their reproduction, should be that they reproduce just as mammals and humans do (maybe not dwarfs). But for your own game, you can decide pretty much wathever you want. Heck you can even say that orcs grow out of teeth taken by the toothfairy, which at least give a better explaniation why they are so tough, than the whole spore business.

GREENSKINS RUMPY PUMPY.

Walking talking trees? cool

Dragons? awesome

Deamons? alright

Spiders large enough for children to ride on? okay

Humanoid goats/cows/rats/lizards? why not

Trolls? of course

Elves/Dwaves/Halflings? a must

Dead that walk? for sure

Fungi People? What, are you mad?!?!?!?! you have gone too far sir! you have ruined the verisimilitued, the ring of truth has fallen flat on this one!!!!!

I actually like the the fungus idea as it makes Orcs different from the other races in Warhammer. The don't form families like humans, elves and dwarfs; they don't breed like Skaven; they aren't mutated like Beastmen; they don't **** like Fimir; they spread. The idea supports the notion that Orcs suffer most casualties to themselves, yet still manage to raise vast armies. It also covers how they keep popping up in the Empire. It basically allows for Orcs and Goblins to be anywhere.

Additionally, it makes them a pest. An infestation. They stand outside of the Old Ones' plan, yet they aren't aligned with chaos. They're on their own side and they'll keep coming back. Orcs are just 'there'.

How does it work? I don't really know, and my PC's don't need to. Are snotlings early Orcs? Possibly. Perhaps the reason Human lands aren't overrun by Orcs is that Snotling infestations are easily dealt with, either by mankind or other dangers (Badgers?). Occasionally a group of Snotlings survives apart from a tribe, developing into the pathetic bands of Goblins that haunt the depths of the forests, ill-equipped and desperate. However, in lands where Orcs are common, Snotlings flock to their kinds and develop over time - called by the Waarrgh energy? - growing into Goblins or Orcs depending on their type. Most are killed and eaten by their cousins.

Sigmar was able to push the largest Orc bands out of the Empire, but never totally eradicate them. The Dwarfs are engaged in an eternal task of clearing the mountains. Perhaps chaos may, in time, finally eradicate the Orcs, but the Orcs will certainly be the last opponents of Chaos.

Necrozius said:

Simply called "Rule # 34"

"if it exists, there is porn of it. No exceptions"

Also:

"Most important to an understanding of Rule 34 is that it is NEVER breakable. Whatever it is, there will always be porn of it somewhere. This is underscored by Rule 35 stating that, if porn cannot be found of it, it must be created."

The problem with this rule is that we can take something horribly unimagineable...such as...ummm...Rosie O'Donnell and, in attempting to follow Rule 34, we wind up with the moral equivalent of dividing by zero.