PSA: The word "die" is singular, "dice" is plural.

By WWHSD, in X-Wing

I've seen a handful of Palpatine related posts that mention changing all of the dice rolled to whatever result you choose. He can only affect a single per round. He does not affect "dice results" he affects a "die result"

There is a point in the article though where FFG screws up and says he can "change any dice of your dice results ", but that is just a screw up on FFG's part, the card itself is clear it is a single die.

As a note, it's common in tabletop gaming to refer to a "die" as "dice,"even in singular, usually for consistency. Often, there is some note in the rules, etc., explaining the convention, but it's not really that strange. Certainly not deserving of a thread...

PSA: Languages are malleable and the rules are determined by usage not PSA's.

As a note, it's common in tabletop gaming to refer to a "die" as "dice,"even in singular, usually for consistency. Often, there is some note in the rules, etc., explaining the convention, but it's not really that strange. Certainly not deserving of a thread...

I've never seen the opposite be true though. There are currently a number of posts where people are misinterpreting the effect of Palpatine's ability. With the large number of people on this board for whom English is not their primary language, I thought that noting the distinction might be helpful.

I, rather noticed the singular usage of the word "result". (instead of results).

When combined with 'die', it does seem rather obvious.

PSA: Languages are malleable and the rules are determined by usage not PSA's.

In the context of a game where words are defining rules, that isn't really true is it? If the rules of a game refer to a "die" they are specifically referring to a singular die. When they mention dice, they are generally referring to an unspecified number of dice.

Edited by WWHSD

There is a point in the article though where FFG screws up and says he can "change any dice of your dice results ", but that is just a screw up on FFG's part, the card itself is clear it is a single die.

To be completely fair, they have a decent bit of spelling mistakes in their articles sometimes, which even paid writers for news websites have every now and then.

For instance, in the same article about Palpatine, it says doge and not dodge.

Now, one could see this as a spelling error and rightly so.

One could also read too far into it and think it's a spoiler for the doge expansion, coming sometime in 2016.

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Much X-Wing. Very dice. So Doge. Wow.

Edited by GroggyGolem

As a note, it's common in tabletop gaming to refer to a "die" as "dice,"even in singular, usually for consistency. Often, there is some note in the rules, etc., explaining the convention, but it's not really that strange. Certainly not deserving of a thread...

Not in any tabletop gaming I have seen. Die is singular, dice is plural.

PSA: Languages are malleable and the rules are determined by usage not PSA's.

In the context of a game that where words are defining rules, that isn't really true is it? If the rules of a game refer to a "die" they are specifically referring to a singular die. When they mention dice, they are generally referring to an unspecified number of dice.

I wonder: Did you major in English.

PSA: Languages are malleable and the rules are determined by usage not PSA's.

In the context of a game that where words are defining rules, that isn't really true is it? If the rules of a game refer to a "die" they are specifically referring to a singular die. When they mention dice, they are generally referring to an unspecified number of dice.

You've already been told how the article also used "dice"? So whatever.

I wonder: Did you major in English.

The articles are rules now? The card says "die".

People were getting things wrong so I thought I'd attempt to be helpful by pointing out the way the card actually works. If you didn't need the clarification, good for you.

Wow, you really showed those guys!

Wow, you really showed those guys!

If by "showed those guys" you mean "helped someone correctly interpret a card" then I hope that I did.

Dice! Time to dice!

I, rather noticed the singular usage of the word "result". (instead of results).

When combined with 'die', it does seem rather obvious.

From a certain point of view, I see where the confusion can stem. I myself fell for this. There are at least two instances in the article that could imply affecting multiple dice.

As to die result or dice result, it is again, tricky. Die result *could* imply results from rolling dice rather than the result from being from a token. Now, tokens have no link to papa Palpatine's ability of course, but as noted, the English language is tricky.

Remember that this makes perfect sense:

James while John had had had had had had had had had had had a better effect on the teacher

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_while_John_had_had_had_had_had_had_had_had_had_had_had_a_better_effect_on_the_teacher

Edited by That Blasted Samophlange

As a note, it's common in tabletop gaming to refer to a "die" as "dice,"even in singular, usually for consistency.

It's common in tabletop games from one particular company. Which does that for at least two dozen years.

That does not make it common in tabletop gaming in general. Even if that company is the biggest in the business.

My die dies to dicey dice roles.

I, rather noticed the singular usage of the word "result". (instead of results).

When combined with 'die', it does seem rather obvious.

However, result, could be used when referring to the entirety of a roll, whether it included one die or several dice. Results would imply more than one roll (multiple dice or single die), which cannot be affected as it is once per turn.

From a certain point of view, I see where the confusion can stem. I myself fell for this. There are at least two instances in the article that could imply affecting multiple dice.

As to die result or dice result, it is again, tricky. Die result *could* imply results from rolling dice rather than the result from being from a token. Now, tokens have no link to papa Palpatine's ability of course, but as noted, the English language is tricky.

Remember that this makes perfect sense:

James while John had had had had had had had had had had had a better effect on the teacher

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_while_John_had_had_had_had_had_had_had_had_had_had_had_a_better_effect_on_the_teacher

In X-wing, "result" refers to a single die. This is repeatedly shown in various cards, such as Advanced Targeting Computer, Jek Porkins, RAC, Kath Scarlet (IMP). The plural is shown on R4-D6 and HLC, where it uses results when referring to multiple results.

That said, yeah, the specific mentions in the article can easily mislead the reader. The card is the only rules text in the article, though, so that trumps the article completely.

My die dies to dicey dice roles.

Which role? Attack or agility?

The ROLE of my green dice in most games is to fail me by ROLLing blanks.

The ROLE of my green dice in most games is to fail me by ROLLing blanks.

Hey, your name isn't ficklegreendice!

hello my name is inigo montoya. Prepare to dice.

PSA: Languages are malleable and the rules are determined by usage not PSA's.

In the context of a game where words are defining rules, that isn't really true is it? If the rules of a game refer to a "die" they are specifically referring to a singular die. When they mention dice, they are generally referring to an unspecified number of dice.

So very much THIS.

Ignore the angry troll - your topic is VERY much appreciated

I got it wrong initially and thought it was all dice from a single roll. The article could have definitely been clearer on this, as they didn't really say anything to indicate that it couldn't change all dice results from a single roll and they were certainly hyping it as though it could.

Well at least we don't have a thread complaining about turrents!