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The game designers said they might put rebels stuff in the game. That's definitely pre-BoY, so I think that disproves that argument.
The official "Let's complain about the Emperor" thread!
Thats actually a good point.
The legendary fight between the Falcon and the 4 Tie Fighters is the starting point of this game, true.
But even then Kenobi was dead already. He knew, as an old man he cannot be of much help, but as a spirit he could be a guide for Luke.
Also the tie pilots were ordered to lose so let's not make too much of the rebel "victory"
I don't think the fighter pilots have been instructed at this point.
That was pure calculation by Tarkin. He knew that only 4 generic Tie Fighters will be beaten by the Falcon.
Go try it for yourself. Take Fat Han with Luke as gunner and try to kill him with 4 Ties ^^
I don't buy that. Tarkin had no reason to suspect the Falcon's enhanced capabilities. 4 TIEs would have been sufficient to trounce an ORS.
Thats actually a good point.
The legendary fight between the Falcon and the 4 Tie Fighters is the starting point of this game, true.
But even then Kenobi was dead already. He knew, as an old man he cannot be of much help, but as a spirit he could be a guide for Luke.
Also the tie pilots were ordered to lose so let's not make too much of the rebel "victory"
I don't think the fighter pilots have been instructed at this point.
That was pure calculation by Tarkin. He knew that only 4 generic Tie Fighters will be beaten by the Falcon.
Go try it for yourself. Take Fat Han with Luke as gunner and try to kill him with 4 Ties ^^
I don't buy that. Tarkin had no reason to suspect the Falcon's enhanced capabilities. 4 TIEs would have been sufficient to trounce an ORS.
But he wanted the homing device on the Falcon remember?
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The game designers said they might put rebels stuff in the game. That's definitely pre-BoY, so I think that disproves that argument.
If and when they do it.
And IIRC, they didn't actually say they might. They answered a question in a way that was non-committal but more positive than negative.
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The game designers said they might put rebels stuff in the game. That's definitely pre-BoY, so I think that disproves that argument.
If and when they do it.
And IIRC, they didn't actually say they might. They answered a question in a way that was non-committal but more positive than negative.
They said more to the effect of, 'If it's cool, and it fits design space, why not?'
still, it be proves they are willing to go pre-Episode 4 which means Obi-Wan could definitely alive at some point in the game
It's not a complaint about the Emperor, but the Pirate vs. Whisper image in the article is captioned as follows:
And that's completely false: it's actually only about a one-in-nine-thousand shot. They're off by two orders of magnitude!A Binayre Pirate lands a one-in-a-million shot, wiping out "Whisper" with a single shot.
It's actually not even that bad! Just checked the numbers -- for the exact scenario that they laid out, it is only 1 in 4,520!
For rolling exactly 2 hits and a crit, and Whisper rolling exactly 4 blanks, and then pulling a Direct Hit, is:
(3*(3/8)2 * (1/8)) * (3/8)4 * (7/33) = 2.2e-4
1 / that = 4,520.6
If you also allow 2 crits + hit, or 3 crits, and you also allow for minor explosion, then it's even easier, then your odds are one in:
1/ (((3*(3/8)2*(1/8)) + 3*(3/8)*(1/8)2 + (1/8)3)* (3/8)4 * ((7/33) + 2/33*3/8)) = 2979.6!
[edit: also note that 3*(3/8)2*(1/8)) + 3*(3/8)*(1/8)2 + (1/8)3 = (1/2)3*(1- (3/4)3)]
That's easier than successfully navigating an asteroid field!
But, um, yeah, who needs to squabble over factors of two or three when you're off by a hundred. Math department fail at FFG! 
Just for kicks, if Whisper has no focus tokens as shown, then it is only one in:
1/( (1/2)3 * (1- (3/4)3) * (5/8)4 * ( 7/33 + 2/33*3/8) ) = 386. Piece of cake!
Edited by MajorJugglerThats actually a good point.
The legendary fight between the Falcon and the 4 Tie Fighters is the starting point of this game, true.
But even then Kenobi was dead already. He knew, as an old man he cannot be of much help, but as a spirit he could be a guide for Luke.
I've said before and will say again: the timeline for this game is very, very loose. You can have Lando and Biggs side-by-side, even though Biggs was dead four years by the time Lando got involved with the war. On the other side of the battle, Mauler and Backstabber can fly alongside the TIE Defender, which wasn't even initiated until after Yavin.
There is no timeline for this game.
Thats actually a good point.
The legendary fight between the Falcon and the 4 Tie Fighters is the starting point of this game, true.
But even then Kenobi was dead already. He knew, as an old man he cannot be of much help, but as a spirit he could be a guide for Luke.
Also the tie pilots were ordered to lose so let's not make too much of the rebel "victory"
I don't think the fighter pilots have been instructed at this point.
That was pure calculation by Tarkin. He knew that only 4 generic Tie Fighters will be beaten by the Falcon.
Go try it for yourself. Take Fat Han with Luke as gunner and try to kill him with 4 Ties ^^
I don't buy that. Tarkin had no reason to suspect the Falcon's enhanced capabilities. 4 TIEs would have been sufficient to trounce an ORS.
But he wanted the homing device on the Falcon remember?
I have tried Han Solo versus four TIEs and they won.
But which side wins could go either way, depending on how many points you use.
Obvious Tarkin expected them to get away.
BTW, an ORS doesn't have Quad Laser Turrets, which are obvious.
Just for kicks, if Whisper has no focus tokens as shown, then it is only one in:
1/ (((3*(3/8)2*(1/8)) + 3*(3/8)*(1/8)2 + (1/8)^3)*(5/8)4 * ((7/33) + 2/33*3/8)) = 386. Piece of cake!
6 Ties + Omicron with Palpatine: 101 points
3 PtL Red Royal Guard Interceptors + Omicron with Palpatine: 104 points
*sigh*
6 Ties + Omicron with Palpatine: 101 points
3 PtL Red Royal Guard Interceptors + Omicron with Palpatine: 104 points
*sigh*
But you can fit a loaded out Vader + Fel with the Palp Command Shuttle
It's not a complaint about the Emperor, but the Pirate vs. Whisper image in the article is captioned as follows:
And that's completely false: it's actually only about a one-in-nine-thousand shot. They're off by two orders of magnitude!A Binayre Pirate lands a one-in-a-million shot, wiping out "Whisper" with a single shot.
It's actually not even that bad! Just checked the numbers -- for the exact scenario that they laid out, it is only 1 in 4,520!
For rolling exactly 2 hits and a crit, and Whisper rolling exactly 4 blanks, and then pulling a Direct Hit, is:
(3*(3/8)2 * (1/8)) * (3/8)4 * (7/33) = 2.2e-4
1 / that = 4,520.6
If you also allow 2 crits + hit, or 3 crits, and you also allow for minor explosion, then it's even easier, then your odds are one in:
1/ (((3*(3/8)2*(1/8)) + 3*(3/8)*(1/8)2 + (1/8)3)* (3/8)4 * ((7/33) + 2/33*3/8)) = 2979.6!
[edit: also note that 3*(3/8)2*(1/8)) + 3*(3/8)*(1/8)2 + (1/8)3 = (1/2)3*(1- (3/4)3)]
That's easier than successfully navigating an asteroid field!
But, um, yeah, who needs to squabble over factors of two or three when you're off by a hundred. Math department fail at FFG!
Just for kicks, if Whisper has no focus tokens as shown, then it is only one in:
1/( (1/2)3 * (1- (3/4)3) * (5/8)4 * ( 7/33 + 2/33*3/8) ) = 386. Piece of cake!
You left out the odds that the Pirate would survive the Focused R1 shot from Whisper that caused them both to have no tokens in the first place. 
Thats actually a good point.
The legendary fight between the Falcon and the 4 Tie Fighters is the starting point of this game, true.
But even then Kenobi was dead already. He knew, as an old man he cannot be of much help, but as a spirit he could be a guide for Luke.
I'd say it goes back further than that, given the Imperial Raider was created by FFG and explicitly started seeing action years before Yavin in the Outer Rim.
Kuat Drive Yards began manufacturing the Raider-class corvette in 6BBY as a dedicated anti-fighter vessel after it was successfully pitched by Lira Wessex, the designer of the Imperial-class Star Destroyer. She recognized that the Imperial Navy lacked a small, modern craft to reinforce the TIE fighter squadrons deployed by Star Destroyers, and she designed the Raider-class corvette as a durable, 150m vessel that featured multiple hardpoints and would excel at suppressing Rebel fighter attacks.
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Finally, the expansion introduces a new campaign, The Will of the Empire, in which you’ll command a Raider-class corvette and run a prototype TIE Advanced through its test flights in the wild, lawless sectors of the Outer Rim.
Given the new ship's creation by FFG, and the campaign it includes featuring a 'prototype' TIE Advanced, I think it's fair to say we've got quite a wide window to work with before Yavin.
You left out the odds that the Pirate would survive the Focused R1 shot from Whisper that caused them both to have no tokens in the first place.
Ha ha yes, or the chance that Whisper doesn't have a focus token. So either she hit, got a focus, and already spent it on defense, or, she completely whiffed the attack vs the Z-95.
my only complaint about Palpatine is that I'm going to have to buy a couple more Imperial Aces sets because dang it, the Emperor has to be properly escorted with RGI's.
There a small difference: Kenobi died before the Battle of Yavin ... and this is the when X-Wing timeline starts.
Still, as a ghost he cannot be a crew upgrade.
Wrong, both the Rebellion and the Rebellion Era didn't start with the Battle of Yavin, it started before Kenobi died: Battle of Toprawa
My actual point though is how many pilots were dead, by Episode VI, that we use in the game? Plenty.
I don't know if you are confused about the card you keep quoting because it's not a force ghost picture, or you just are ignoring where I said a crew slot with a free crew slot makes more sense than a modification slot for a force ghost version, or you're just being annoying on purpose.
X-Wing: The Miniatures Game starts with the Battle of Yavin and at this point Kenobi is dead already.
If you think that I am annoying I just have a single advise for you: Don't use internet forums.
I would agree that Ben Kenobi couldn't be a crew member... at least not living. For the rebellion he never did anything... (except make sure Luke didn't kill himself on Tattooine) especially not for the pilots and such. As a ghost he helped guide Luke at the battle of Yavin, so I mean some enhanced focus could work with Ben, or turning in your target lock for something, but that's basically dead eye anyways. Unfortunately if there's no prequel stuff Obi-Wan just wouldn't really fit as a crew member with the rebellion ships.... just my 2 cents. Nice idea though.
I would agree that Ben Kenobi couldn't be a crew member... at least not living. For the rebellion he never did anything... (except make sure Luke didn't kill himself on Tattooine) especially not for the pilots and such. As a ghost he helped guide Luke at the battle of Yavin, so I mean some enhanced focus could work with Ben, or turning in your target lock for something, but that's basically dead eye anyways. Unfortunately if there's no prequel stuff Obi-Wan just wouldn't really fit as a crew member with the rebellion ships.... just my 2 cents. Nice idea though.There a small difference: Kenobi died before the Battle of Yavin ... and this is the when X-Wing timeline starts.
Still, as a ghost he cannot be a crew upgrade.
Wrong, both the Rebellion and the Rebellion Era didn't start with the Battle of Yavin, it started before Kenobi died: Battle of Toprawa
My actual point though is how many pilots were dead, by Episode VI, that we use in the game? Plenty.
I don't know if you are confused about the card you keep quoting because it's not a force ghost picture, or you just are ignoring where I said a crew slot with a free crew slot makes more sense than a modification slot for a force ghost version, or you're just being annoying on purpose.
X-Wing: The Miniatures Game starts with the Battle of Yavin and at this point Kenobi is dead already.
If you think that I am annoying I just have a single advise for you: Don't use internet forums.
As if Palpatine was in so many dogfights. Compared to Ben.
How many kinds of fighters have they each flown?
Sure he was an old man in Episode 4, but he did a lot more than Palpatine.
Palpatine was a politician while Kenobi was a military general.
Name one thing Princess Leia did that makes her deserving
of a crew card in a space dogfight miniatures game? Nothing.
It's obviously not about what they did but their place in the story & theme.
Wasn't Ben Kenobi a "crew" on the Millennium Falcon...?
I'm not saying he did nothing.... he was a great general during the clone wars. I'm saying he did nothing for the rebellion.... he helped take care of Luke when Uncle Ben wasn't shooing him away on Tatooine. He then is finally called to help out the rebellion and unfortunately is killed before he can do anything to actually help the rebellion. I'm not saying he's not deserving. He's an awesome character, one of my favorites in the Star Wars saga. The issue is more so that thematically he wasn't in any dog fights during the rebellion period. After Revenge of the Sith he stays on Tatooine. He was a crew member when the Falcon was captured. No dogfight what so ever. Leia copiloted the falcon when the 4 fighters came after the escape from the death star. Not only that but she is actually a crew member on the ship she came with... on top of that she helped coordinate ships in combat during the battle of yavin as well as at Hoth... her ability therefore makes sense in the game. Palpatine was only shown coming out of a shuttle and then was death star from then on. In extended universe lore, force users have the ability to help sway the battle through morale and such. Again though, I'm not arguing that Obi-wan was a great character, he just unfortunately wasn't alive and doing anything during the events of 4-6. He was a VERY helpful ghost who helped Luke become a jedi...
Right now the timeline of X-Wing starts with the escape from Death Star.
Of course there is no linear timeline.
If FFG decides to include Kenobi or some of this Rebels series stuff, then they shift the 'starting point'.
@Gabe96whatever:
Gathering again your 'friends' together by begging them to write comments to let you shine against pretended attackers?
Lol. I think you need some professional help.
I'm out. My time is too valuable for this.
I remember Old Ben had a hand in rescuing Leia from the Death Star. Without Ben's help they never make it out to destroy the Death Star later on. He did save Luke's life like twice also. And brought Han into the picture. Yeah I think he helped out a lot actually.
I'm sure some people have read some of the Kenobi EU books that take place after episode 3 and he may of helped the rebellion some more while living as a hermit..
Actually Starkiller, I disagree about when the timeline actually starts... I'd argue that it actually starts at the beginning of A New Hope or even a little bit before like Dark Forces (hence Kyle Katarn and Jan Ors). The tantive 4 and it's pilot Captain Antilles are both in the game (at least for epic play).
I still agree with you however that Obi-wan as much as I love him just wouldn't fit thematically as a crew member for the game. Would I be upset at all if he showed up? No I love seeing all the star wars characters show up in some form of another. I just don't think it fits thematically.
Zarovichx, you're right he did assist in the death star rescue. EU Obi-wan I'll admit I don't know as much as I would like, so I can't comment on that, movie wise though he didn't do anything regarding the ships other than ride on the way to the Death Star. I always looked at Obi-wan as more of a guide rather than anything else as Luke continues his quest to become a fully fledged Jedi. That was his biggest contribution to the rebellion which admittedly is a huge contribution, but he never assisted in any way regarding ships... but as I said earlier, if Obi-Wan shows up I won't be yelling NOOOOOOOOOOOO like Vader in episode 3, I'll be happy as heck, just don't see it as being thematic, but to each their own
Right now the timeline of X-Wing starts with the escape from Death Star.
Of course there is no linear timeline.
If FFG decides to include Kenobi or some of this Rebels series stuff, then they shift the 'starting point'.
@Gabe96whatever:
Gathering again your 'friends' together by begging them to write comments to let you shine against pretended attackers?
Lol. I think you need some professional help.
I'm out. My time is too valuable for this.
I don't know where you get your crazy ideas. You'll notice that none of the people who have agreed with me is actually a forum friend of mine, people just happen to understand what it means when you say "Rebellion Era," something you seem to be blind to.
I doesn't matter how many times you say it because you can't admit you are wrong, it's still false that the Rebellion started with the Falcon escaping the Death Star. LOL.
Not that you have been consistent with that start point, I think you officially changed it for FFG to three different times.
Edited by gabe69velasquezWasn't Ben Kenobi a "crew" on the Millennium Falcon...?
He was very good at identifying things during his time, there.
"It's an Imperial fighter" before the thing even came into view. When Luke thought it had followed them, Obi-Wan promptly corrected him that it was just a short-range fighter.
And, of course...
"That's no moon, it's a space station"
Granted, "identifying things" isn't really a big part of this game, but maybe...I dunno, his Force prescience allows him to force the enemy to set up their fleet first, regardless of PS or initiative? Of course, he did manage a...
"Turn this ship around"
...before Han Solo, a pilot we know to be PS9, realized he needed to react to the situation. (Solo ignored him, of course, and that ended up going badly, but Obi-Wan *did* see the threat and reacted faster) So...lots of possibilities, there. Maybe something like the 'enhanced scopes', but optional? "During the activation phase, you may perform an action and then reveal your dial before any other ship"? Or maneuver related? "If you reveal a K-turn, you may execute that maneuver using any shorter template of the same type as the revealed maneuver"
Obi-Wan's entire OT 'space combat flying' experience (hey, the Falcon and TIE Fighter were in the scene for the entirety of it, and "in combat", even if only a quick initial shot was made)...