Obi-Wan's entire OT 'space combat flying' experience (hey, the Falcon and TIE Fighter were in the scene for the entirety of it, and "in combat", even if only a quick initial shot was made)...

I'm down with a Ben Kenobi Crew card. Something like "Discard this card to cancel one hit or crit result. Then equip the Ben Kenobis' Ghost upgrade card".

Ben Kenobis' Ghost would read "Use the deadeye elite pilot talent, it's a really good upgrade"

Actually, while I am joking about Ben Kenobis' Ghost ability, having a Kenobi crew card that you discard and then equip his ghost card would be kind of interesting.

What if he was a crew slot, and then when the ship he is on is destroyed you could place him on any other friendly ship?

I'm down with a Ben Kenobi Crew card. Something like "Discard this card to cancel one hit or crit result. Then equip the Ben Kenobis' Ghost upgrade card".

Ben Kenobis' Ghost would read "Use the deadeye elite pilot talent, it's a really good upgrade"

Actually, while I am joking about Ben Kenobis' Ghost ability, having a Kenobi crew card that you discard and then equip his ghost card would be kind of interesting.

Heh, actually, that's pretty funny.

Although I'm not sure I'd say hit/crit - after all, his "discard" was to save another crew card (well, several). So - "when instructed to discard or disable another crew upgrade, you may discard or disable this card instead(, and then equip the deadeye talent )"

Not that many things he'd work with in the game, although he'd REALLY turn Chewie (crew) into a pain-in-the-arse.

Right now the timeline of X-Wing starts with the escape from Death Star.

Slight problem.

Kinda hard for Raymus to be crew if he's, well... dead.

Ha! Palpatine is great. Not sure if he is meta changing but will be fun to play.

Right now the timeline of X-Wing starts with the escape from Death Star.

Slight problem.

Kinda hard for Raymus to be crew if he's, well... dead.

Yeah, I think anyone bothering to think about it has already dismissed that guy's argument.

• We've got the Tantive IV in the game as a Rebel ship...already crippled and captured by the Empire well before the Falcon's escape.
• Raymus Antilles in the game, who is dead shortly after that, and still well before we've even MET Obi-Wan Kenobi in the movies.
• The Imperial Raider-class ship, complete with a campaign debuting the prototype TIE Advanced, which was introduced 6 years before the Battle of Yavin
• In case you hadn't noticed, the Core Set of the game ships with its very first scenario being an X-Wing escorting a Senator's shuttle. The entire Senate, you'll recall, having been noted as being dissolved well before the Falcon's escape from the Death Star (indeed, it was actually the very first scene SET on the Death Star where Tarkin mention the Senate finally being dissolved)

You could arguably - arguably - make the suggestion that the X-Wing Miniatures game era starts at the very opening scene of 'Episode IV', and explores any and all possible outcomes from variations of the on-screen events from that point forward. But even that is pretty tenuous - I mean, the Tantive IV appearing in 'Armada', where it can fight an Imperial Star Destroyer? Sure, that fits. The Tantive IV in a starfighter dogfight game? Yeah, no - that never happened in the movies. The game has to, at the very least, be some short distance before them to allow for that possibility.

And as plainly obvious by the "That's no moon" YouTube clip above - absolutely anything even starting at the *beginning* of the movie or earlier allows for Obi-Wan as a crew of a ship in the game. Providing useful tips to a soon-to-be-PS8 pilot, and reacting faster to a combat situation in an asteroid field with a TIE Fighter (gee, why does that sound familiar?) than a PS9 pilot did.

Sorry, but by any logical evaluation of what's already in the game, Obi-Wan is absolutely a given to be included.

The problem, of course, which I don't think I've seen anyone bring up...and makes a MUCH better argument...is...

How the hell would FFG do that? I mean, assuming they felt he could fit in the period (obviously he does), they wanted to bring the character in (also highly likely - he's already in several of their other products), and they felt he could bring an interesting game mechanic to the table (I'll leave that to the designers, but they've done impressive work so far)...how would they do it?

The Falcon is the most obvious ship to have put him on, and it's already here. There aren't any other Rebel ships big enough to have crew that make any kind of sensible choice. I feel pretty confident that we'll get the Ghost and its crew at some point, but...Obi-Wan definitely wasn't ever on THAT. Most of the EU ships that FFG has been dipping into (for a very long time, and the foreseeable future) are well post-Endor. Even Obi-Wans ghost had faded by that point.

So...IMHO...THAT is the real challenge.

It amuses me to see how many energy guys invest to 'dismiss arguments' from some other guy.

For me, the entry point of X-Wing still is the Battle of Yavin. Thats what the core set and wave 1 is all about.

What you cannot dismiss is the fact that this thread is about the Emperor end every bit about a non-existend Kenobi crew card is OFF TOPIC.

Even if some 'creative' guy is so 'creative' to copy the Emperor's card text to 'create' a Kenobi card.

The Falcon is the most obvious ship to have put him on, and it's already here. There aren't any other Rebel ships big enough to have crew that make any kind of sensible choice. I feel pretty confident that we'll get the Ghost and its crew at some point, but...Obi-Wan definitely wasn't ever on THAT. Most of the EU ships that FFG has been dipping into (for a very long time, and the foreseeable future) are well post-Endor. Even Obi-Wans ghost had faded by that point.

So...IMHO...THAT is the real challenge.

The YKL-37R Nova Courier.

For me, the entry point of X-Wing still is the Battle of Yavin. Thats what the core set and wave 1 is all about.

Except, of course, for the very first scenario in the core set which is obviously set WELL before Yavin, as the Senate is still a thing at that point, and the Senator is flying an Old Republic ship. Not to mention, of course, that the scenario states he is flying away from the base on Dantooine - a base we know to have been a Rebel operating point before the movie even started, but was deserted by the time Leia "revealed its location" to Tarkin...again, well before Yavin.

So...you can believe what you want, but it won't make you any less wrong. The game is flat-out and obviously intended to cover periods before even the first of the OT movies - indeed, it does so in the core set.

I'm down with a Ben Kenobi Crew card. Something like "Discard this card to cancel one hit or crit result. Then equip the Ben Kenobis' Ghost upgrade card".

Ben Kenobis' Ghost would read "Use the deadeye elite pilot talent, it's a really good upgrade"

Actually, while I am joking about Ben Kenobis' Ghost ability, having a Kenobi crew card that you discard and then equip his ghost card would be kind of interesting.

Heh, actually, that's pretty funny.

Although I'm not sure I'd say hit/crit - after all, his "discard" was to save another crew card (well, several). So - "when instructed to discard or disable another crew upgrade, you may discard or disable this card instead(, and then equip the deadeye talent )"

Not that many things he'd work with in the game, although he'd REALLY turn Chewie (crew) into a pain-in-the-arse.

Fair call, but as you've said there aren't that many Crew cards he'd affect. Guess it'd mean he'd have to come with a bunch of discardable Rebels, perhaps this is time to resurrect the idea of a Bothan upgrade card

Also, to get back on target of the OP, "They got the Emperor wrong, he should be FIVE crew slots, one for Palpatine and one each for his four guards". Now I'm wondering how the hell they all crowded onto the shuttle

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Sorry, but by any logical evaluation of what's already in the game, Obi-Wan is absolutely a given to be included.

The problem, of course, which I don't think I've seen anyone bring up...and makes a MUCH better argument...is...

How the hell would FFG do that? I mean, assuming they felt he could fit in the period (obviously he does), they wanted to bring the character in (also highly likely - he's already in several of their other products), and they felt he could bring an interesting game mechanic to the table (I'll leave that to the designers, but they've done impressive work so far)...how would they do it?

The Falcon is the most obvious ship to have put him on, and it's already here. There aren't any other Rebel ships big enough to have crew that make any kind of sensible choice. I feel pretty confident that we'll get the Ghost and its crew at some point, but...Obi-Wan definitely wasn't ever on THAT. Most of the EU ships that FFG has been dipping into (for a very long time, and the foreseeable future) are well post-Endor. Even Obi-Wans ghost had faded by that point.

So...IMHO...THAT is the real challenge.

I've had this in mind since I did an Admiral Ackbar crew card.

Both Akbar and Kenobi are missing from the game.

And I have had in mind, because Admiral Ackbar missing from the game

is a sign that there will be a third Rebel Epic ship!

So someone start a speculation thread and feel free to use my card and reasoning.

The Imperial Lancer-class frigate was considered for the role, but the ship's 250 meter length was considered too unwieldy for game play. Failing to find a suitable candidate, the development team worked with Lucasfilm Ltd. to create a new ship, which would eventually become the Raider-class corvette

Since this is the official complaint thread...

...I have to say that the card for the Emperor could have been so much better.

So guys what's he consensus? Overpowered or underpowered? This game deals only in extremes.

by better you mean "**** spewingly broken"

So guys what's he consensus? Overpowered or underpowered? This game deals only in extremes.

consensus is card has barely been announced and isn't even released yet

Thats actually a good point.

The legendary fight between the Falcon and the 4 Tie Fighters is the starting point of this game, true.

But even then Kenobi was dead already. He knew, as an old man he cannot be of much help, but as a spirit he could be a guide for Luke.

I'd say it goes back further than that, given the Imperial Raider was created by FFG and explicitly started seeing action years before Yavin in the Outer Rim.

Remember?

Kuat Drive Yards began manufacturing the Raider-class corvette in 6BBY as a dedicated anti-fighter vessel after it was successfully pitched by Lira Wessex, the designer of the Imperial-class Star Destroyer. She recognized that the Imperial Navy lacked a small, modern craft to reinforce the TIE fighter squadrons deployed by Star Destroyers, and she designed the Raider-class corvette as a durable, 150m vessel that featured multiple hardpoints and would excel at suppressing Rebel fighter attacks.

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Finally, the expansion introduces a new campaign, The Will of the Empire, in which you’ll command a Raider-class corvette and run a prototype TIE Advanced through its test flights in the wild, lawless sectors of the Outer Rim.

Given the new ship's creation by FFG, and the campaign it includes featuring a 'prototype' TIE Advanced, I think it's fair to say we've got quite a wide window to work with before Yavin.

I just watched deleted scenes from Episode III and from what I understood

the Rebellion started just before the creation of the Petition of 2000.

• Petition of 2000

https://youtu.be/C-hFh35U3go?t=8m31s

Near as I can pin it down that would be just before the date BBY 19,

or 19 years before Episode IV. In other words the Rebellion itself

started before even Luke & Leia were born, with Mon Mothma and Bail Organa.

So guys what's he consensus? Overpowered or underpowered? This game deals only in extremes.

Underpowered. I can't see ever playing this for 8 points. However, I don't play 100 point games. In a 100 point game with 2-3 expensive ships, there's some justification for the emperor -- but the games I play these days have 7+ ships. A single reroll hardly matters.

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Its not a single reroll. Its a single pick whatever you want the die to be every round. That's a big deal even in games with lots of ships.

For a minimum 29pts he can dictate 1 of your rolls of any Pilot on you field. Well worth the points and the dual crew slots provided the rest of the list is designed around his defence. He's 3PO and Lone Wolf fused together, but instead of re-rolls you pick the result. And because he affects your entire force he's got a Biggs-Effect making everyone want to kill him.