The Emperor does care about his loyal and promising underlings.

He saved Darth Vader from utter death.

In the Tie Fighter PC game the Emperor cared about your (Maarek Steles') career and safety.

In X-Wing he has the power to 'change the fate' ...

I think his ability is atmospheric and 8 points are a fair price for him.

I would hate it if the EMPEROR would be an auto-include in every single list that got a crew slot.

Hmm. It's good for epic play, but I'm not convinced yet for standard play. Two crew (+some points) would be a decent cost, so would eight points, but both together is too high IMO. My chief concern is that if this card sees a lot of play, then it would only encourage MORE two-ship builds. Ugh.

Hmm. It's good for epic play, but I'm not convinced yet for standard play. Two crew (+some points) would be a decent cost, so would eight points, but both together is too high IMO. My chief concern is that if this card sees a lot of play, then it would only encourage MORE two-ship builds. Ugh.

I would even say that if this card sees a lot of play, then it would encourage more 3++ ships on the Rebel side.

The Emperor can only change one die. Increase the quantity of attacks to mitigate this effect.

So great, we flip the meta. Imperials go two-ship fat turret and Rebels go aces or swarm. Pfff...

So great, we flip the meta. Imperials go two-ship fat turret and Rebels go aces or swarm. Pfff...

LOL

Yes, thats the spirit!

Of course the game can only become worse. No matter what comes.

Wouldn't Ben be more appropriately slotted as 'modification' over 'crew' he's a Force-Ghost not really taking up space...

Yes, the original text I used had the card as a crew upgrade that both added a crew upgrade slot and had an ability, to get around the force ghost thing. I think the modification has to stay with the physicality of the ship. This was just to illustrate a contrast.

I consider Force-Ghosts to be similar to PotMS..

Power Of The Machine Spirit , Warhammer 40K.

I don't know anything about this game, but I know how to search online pretty **** good.

Besides if I were to actually make a playable Ben Kenobi card,

not just to illustrate a point, then I would make him living.

Enough of Kenobi now.

He's dead. Why should a spirit require a seat anyway?

They missed a golden opportunity.

There was still plenty of room to fit "Everything is proceeding as I have forseen..." in.

I'll just have to say it whenever I use his ability then.

They missed a golden opportunity.

There was still plenty of room to fit "Everything is proceeding as I have forseen..." in.

I'll just have to say it whenever I use his ability then.

Just say this aloud when using his ability ^^

Looks like I picked a bad week to quit drinking.

Wouldn't Ben be more appropriately slotted as 'modification' over 'crew' he's a Force-Ghost not really taking up space...

Yes, the original text I used had the card as a crew upgrade that both added a crew upgrade slot and had an ability, to get around the force ghost thing. I think the modification has to stay with the physicality of the ship. This was just to illustrate a contrast.

I consider Force-Ghosts to be similar to PotMS..

Power Of The Machine Spirit , Warhammer 40K.

I don't know anything about this game, but I know how to search online pretty **** good.

Besides if I were to actually make a playable Ben Kenobi card,

not just to illustrate a point, then I would make him living.

Enough of Kenobi now.

He's dead. Why should a spirit require a seat anyway?

I know you can't be serious because more than half of the (named) Rebel pilots in the game are dead.

http://www.answers.com/Q/Who_survived_the_battle_of_Yavin

There a small difference: Kenobi died before the Battle of Yavin ... and this is the when X-Wing timeline starts.

Still, as a ghost he cannot be a crew upgrade.

I can see flying through an asteroid or debris to get perfect position on a target that you normally wouldn't do to avoid damage, especially on an interceptor. now, I will take the roll and if its damage, use palpatine to negate it, or if no damage rolled save palpatine to inflict a crit in the attack phase. this card is the most versatile upgrade they have released, the dark side is strong in this one.

cant wait to see what obi-wan is going to be.

There a small difference: Kenobi died before the Battle of Yavin ... and this is the when X-Wing timeline starts.

Still, as a ghost he cannot be a crew upgrade.

Wrong, both the Rebellion and the Rebellion Era didn't start with the Battle of Yavin, it started before Kenobi died: Battle of Toprawa

I don't know if you are confused about the card you keep quoting because it's not a force ghost picture, or you just are ignoring where I said a crew slot with a free crew slot makes more sense than a modification slot for a force ghost version, or you're just being annoying on purpose.

But my actual point though is how many pilots were dead, by Episode VI, that we use in the game? Plenty. I can use a Porkins in any battle with Vader. There's no date on the pilot cards.

There a small difference: Kenobi died before the Battle of Yavin ... and this is the when X-Wing timeline starts.

Still, as a ghost he cannot be a crew upgrade.

Wrong, both the Rebellion and the Rebellion Era didn't start with the Battle of Yavin, it started before Kenobi died: Battle of Toprawa

My actual point though is how many pilots were dead, by Episode VI, that we use in the game? Plenty.

I don't know if you are confused about the card you keep quoting because it's not a force ghost picture, or you just are ignoring where I said a crew slot with a free crew slot makes more sense than a modification slot for a force ghost version, or you're just being annoying on purpose.

X-Wing: The Miniatures Game starts with the Battle of Yavin and at this point Kenobi is dead already.

If you think that I am annoying I just have a single advise for you: Don't use internet forums.

How many pilots are dead prior to the E-Wing, Tie Defender, and Tie Phantom being first created. I don't think we should be too rigged on who should be in the game based on when they died. I doubt Porkins ever had a chance to fly in an E-Wing or against a Tie Defender as an example.

There a small difference: Kenobi died before the Battle of Yavin ... and this is the when X-Wing timeline starts.

Still, as a ghost he cannot be a crew upgrade.

Wrong, both the Rebellion and the Rebellion Era didn't start with the Battle of Yavin, it started before Kenobi died: Battle of Toprawa

My actual point though is how many pilots were dead, by Episode VI, that we use in the game? Plenty.

I don't know if you are confused about the card you keep quoting because it's not a force ghost picture, or you just are ignoring where I said a crew slot with a free crew slot makes more sense than a modification slot for a force ghost version, or you're just being annoying on purpose.

X-Wing: The Miniatures Game starts with the Battle of Yavin and at this point Kenobi is dead already.

If you think that I am annoying I just have a single advise for you: Don't use internet forums.

Your misguided belief isn't based on facts.

Neither the rulebook, or the box, or the first news article mention Yavin.

I didn't say I think you are annoying.

What I mean by annoying is that you know this but you insist on being disagreeable anyway,

just to disagree. You are trying to be annoying, which isn't working with me because I have the facts.

There a small difference: Kenobi died before the Battle of Yavin ... and this is the when X-Wing timeline starts.

Still, as a ghost he cannot be a crew upgrade.

Wrong, both the Rebellion and the Rebellion Era didn't start with the Battle of Yavin, it started before Kenobi died: Battle of Toprawa

My actual point though is how many pilots were dead, by Episode VI, that we use in the game? Plenty.

I don't know if you are confused about the card you keep quoting because it's not a force ghost picture, or you just are ignoring where I said a crew slot with a free crew slot makes more sense than a modification slot for a force ghost version, or you're just being annoying on purpose.

X-Wing: The Miniatures Game starts with the Battle of Yavin and at this point Kenobi is dead already.

If you think that I am annoying I just have a single advise for you: Don't use internet forums.

Your misguided belief isn't based on facts.

Neither the rulebook, or the box, or the first news article mention Yavin.

I didn't say I think you are annoying.

What I mean by annoying is that you know this but you insist on being disagreeable anyway,

just to disagree. You are trying to be annoying, which isn't working with me because I have the facts.

No, you just keep to be hurt and bleeding if anybody don't find your creative designs as agreeable like yourself.

I dislike the idea having Kenobi as a crew upgrade. He is in the game already since wave 2. His spirit encouraged Luke to do this:

But if you don't believe that the game starts with BoY, go forth and design also a Han Solo Pilot card for the Tie Fighter ... an all the remaining Rebels who started their careers as Tie Fighter Pilots.

There a small difference: Kenobi died before the Battle of Yavin ... and this is the when X-Wing timeline starts.

Still, as a ghost he cannot be a crew upgrade.

Wrong, both the Rebellion and the Rebellion Era didn't start with the Battle of Yavin, it started before Kenobi died: Battle of Toprawa

My actual point though is how many pilots were dead, by Episode VI, that we use in the game? Plenty.

I don't know if you are confused about the card you keep quoting because it's not a force ghost picture, or you just are ignoring where I said a crew slot with a free crew slot makes more sense than a modification slot for a force ghost version, or you're just being annoying on purpose.

X-Wing: The Miniatures Game starts with the Battle of Yavin and at this point Kenobi is dead already.

If you think that I am annoying I just have a single advise for you: Don't use internet forums.

Your misguided belief isn't based on facts.

Neither the rulebook, or the box, or the first news article mention Yavin.

I didn't say I think you are annoying.

What I mean by annoying is that you know this but you insist on being disagreeable anyway,

just to disagree. You are trying to be annoying, which isn't working with me because I have the facts.

No, you just keep to be hurt and bleeding if anybody don't find your creative designs as agreeable like yourself.

I dislike the idea having Kenobi as a crew upgrade. He is in the game already since wave 2. His spirit encouraged Luke to do this:

But if you don't believe that the game starts with BoY, go forth and design also a Han Solo Pilot card for the Tie Fighter ... an all the remaining Rebels who started their careers as Tie Fighter Pilots.

Deadeye is for any pilot with an EPT slot, not just Luke.

"I dislike the idea having Kenobi as a crew upgrade. "

This is the only thing you've said that rings true,

but you dress up like it's something more.

I don't have a problem with people disagreeing with me

but when it's based on falsehood and not fact it just looks like spite.

You theory is false, you've shown no proof,

just changed the subject rather than admit when you are wrong.

I don't have to believe it because it isn't true, that's all.

There a small difference: Kenobi died before the Battle of Yavin ... and this is the when X-Wing timeline starts.

Still, as a ghost he cannot be a crew upgrade.

Thats your problem.

We're getting too much OT by far, btw.

There a small difference: Kenobi died before the Battle of Yavin ... and this is the when X-Wing timeline starts.

Still, as a ghost he cannot be a crew upgrade.

Wrong, both the Rebellion and the Rebellion Era didn't start with the Battle of Yavin, it started before Kenobi died: Battle of Toprawa

My actual point though is how many pilots were dead, by Episode VI, that we use in the game? Plenty.

I don't know if you are confused about the card you keep quoting because it's not a force ghost picture, or you just are ignoring where I said a crew slot with a free crew slot makes more sense than a modification slot for a force ghost version, or you're just being annoying on purpose.

X-Wing: The Miniatures Game starts with the Battle of Yavin and at this point Kenobi is dead already.

If you think that I am annoying I just have a single advise for you: Don't use internet forums.

Your misguided belief isn't based on facts.

Neither the rulebook, or the box, or the first news article mention Yavin.

I didn't say I think you are annoying.

What I mean by annoying is that you know this but you insist on being disagreeable anyway,

just to disagree. You are trying to be annoying, which isn't working with me because I have the facts.

No, you just keep to be hurt and bleeding if anybody don't find your creative designs as agreeable like yourself.

I dislike the idea having Kenobi as a crew upgrade. He is in the game already since wave 2. His spirit encouraged Luke to do this:

But if you don't believe that the game starts with BoY, go forth and design also a Han Solo Pilot card for the Tie Fighter ... an all the remaining Rebels who started their careers as Tie Fighter Pilots.

Counterpoint: the Luke Skywalker crew card has him manning one of the Falcon's turrets, which is something he is only ever shown doing during the escape from Tattooine, pre-BoY.

Thats actually a good point.

The legendary fight between the Falcon and the 4 Tie Fighters is the starting point of this game, true.

But even then Kenobi was dead already. He knew, as an old man he cannot be of much help, but as a spirit he could be a guide for Luke.

Thats actually a good point.

The legendary fight between the Falcon and the 4 Tie Fighters is the starting point of this game, true.

But even then Kenobi was dead already. He knew, as an old man he cannot be of much help, but as a spirit he could be a guide for Luke.

Also the tie pilots were ordered to lose so let's not make too much of the rebel "victory"

Thats actually a good point.

The legendary fight between the Falcon and the 4 Tie Fighters is the starting point of this game, true.

But even then Kenobi was dead already. He knew, as an old man he cannot be of much help, but as a spirit he could be a guide for Luke.

Also the tie pilots were ordered to lose so let's not make too much of the rebel "victory"

I don't think the fighter pilots have been instructed at this point.

That was pure calculation by Tarkin. He knew that only 4 generic Tie Fighters will be beaten by the Falcon.

Go try it for yourself. Take Fat Han with Luke as gunner and try to kill him with 4 Ties ^^

Thats actually a good point.

The legendary fight between the Falcon and the 4 Tie Fighters is the starting point of this game, true.

But even then Kenobi was dead already. He knew, as an old man he cannot be of much help, but as a spirit he could be a guide for Luke.

That's not his point, and it's not what he said.

At this point you're starting to sound like you have tunnel vision.

Or more likely that you're belief is something based on some elusive evidence.

When the CEO if FFG talked about timelines he said Rebellion Era,

and I'll say it again, there was another battle before Yavin.

And now it seems you've changed your mind on the start backward

as from the Falcon battling four TIES and not the Battle of Yavin.

Try incorporating some facts into your belief.

• Battle of Toprawa

• Rebellion Era

Counterpoint: the Luke Skywalker crew card has him manning one of the Falcon's turrets, which is something he is only ever shown doing during the escape from Tattooine, pre-BoY.

What's funny is he doesn't see the fatal flaw, that the Battle of Yavin is at the end of the movie, and so he's assuming nothing in Episode IV except the end battle is part of the game. Watch, he'll change the start a third time.

Also the tie pilots were ordered to lose so let's not make too much of the rebel "victory"

I don't think the fighter pilots have been instructed at this point.

That was pure calculation by Tarkin. He knew that only 4 generic Tie Fighters will be beaten by the Falcon.

You're using game terms and don't see the contradiction,

why should it be 48 points versus 60-some points.

Using game terms you prove they must have been ordered to lose.

Back on topic,

The aft end of a two card epic ship will always be a priority,

and now they've made it more so for am Imperial epic ship that takes the Emperor,

because the crippled side of the Raider won't support him.

Two birds with one stone.