The official "Let's complain about the Emperor" thread!

By PhantomFO, in X-Wing

Still the curious question is the text. Once per round is that the same as a turn or a game (a single round in a tournament)? IF it is once per game then I doubt you will see this card anywhere.

If they wanted it to be a one use card it would have been worded like this:

You may change a friendly ship's die result to any other die result. That die result cannot be modified again. After modifying the result, discard this card.

He probably needs plastic surgery.

It's not a complaint about the Emperor, but the Pirate vs. Whisper image in the article is captioned as follows:

A Binayre Pirate lands a one-in-a-million shot, wiping out "Whisper" with a single shot.

And that's completely false: it's actually only about a one-in-nine-thousand shot. They're off by two orders of magnitude!
I'm getting closer to 1 in 24000 with significant rounding, assuming a full damage deck at the start. But still way off.

Granted I didn't give a range 1 bonus because that's just cheating.

I thought it was funny to see that shot in the article because I once pulled it off, only it was with a bandit, boosted by Jan Ors and shooting at a tokenless (her attack missed) and cloaked Whisper from range 3. It was awesome :D

And by my numbers, Whisper not rolling any evades from 5 dice is about 9.5%, getting at least 1 crit from 3 focused attack dice (with the other results being either hits or crits) is 17.8%, and direct hits (and successful minor explosions) have a likelihood of about 23.5%... making for a 1 in 250 shot.

Edit: slight mistake in numbers.

Edited by darthlurker

I don't see me putting him on a shuttle but ill try him in a decimator, I like him for epic play though.

I don't see me putting him on a shuttle but ill try him in a decimator, I like him for epic play though.

I like the idea of putting him on a Shuttle. I'm thinking about stenciling "Come at me bro!" on the fin of one of my Shuttles.

He's UP. He should have been able to change one dice result, not just one die result. In other words, all the dice in a single roll, not just one die of many.

He'd be way under priced if that was the case.

At 2 crew and 8 squad points? Psh, naw. 2 crew is a prohibitive cost, and 8 squad points is unmatched.

It's not a complaint about the Emperor, but the Pirate vs. Whisper image in the article is captioned as follows:

A Binayre Pirate lands a one-in-a-million shot, wiping out "Whisper" with a single shot.

And that's completely false: it's actually only about a one-in-nine-thousand shot. They're off by two orders of magnitude!

Our authors can't compute probabilities of that magnitude!

This was the first list that came to mind after seeing Palpatine.

Commander Kenkirk — VT-49 Decimator 44
Marksmanship 3
Ysanne Isard 4
Emperor Palpatine 8
Experimental Interface 3
Ship Total: 62

Darth Vader — TIE Advanced 29
Expose 4
Advanced Targeting Computer 1
Engine Upgrade 4
TIE/x1 0
Ship Total: 38

Until Kirk's ability kicks in he's a pseudo -"Autothrusters" for Vader. Or anyone on the defensive.

But he's also a super-target lock on the offense.

And that's completely false: it's actually only about a one-in-nine-thousand shot. They're off by two orders of magnitude!

Never tell me the odds! It can happen!

I'm just sad Emperor PP takes two crew slots, because I can't put him, Vader, and Moff JJ on a Decimator and have them fight to see who survives the game.

Chireau + Palps + Gunner has a certain twisted appeal.

While expensive at 56 points. Kenkirk with Isard and the Emperor is pretty sick. Once shields are down, that's guaranteed 2 evades every turn on a ship that has 12 hull (and it cannot be blocked). I'll take him with PTL and Engine Upgrade and sit at 63 points. Enough to fit in Soontir or Vader. On paper it seems nastier than the current Fat Chirn + Soontir. May have to complain about that combo.

This.

Stress is the only way to stop it from happening, and you can get an echo or cheap whisper in there to throw off target priority. That's a mean mean build.

Stress will only stop Isard, and that's after activation at the start of the combat. There's not a lot of ways to stress the Decimator after his green move before combat.

I'm thinking this is a major buff to Kenkirk and Interceptors.

I think it would have been more thematic for him to modify one of the opponent's dice rolls. It seems to me that the emperor is way too much of a turd to be so cuddly and caring for his own pilots. Now, causing the enemy to run into asteroids, messing with their piloting while they are trying to evade or making them whif an important attack? Absolutely!

I agree completely, it would have been awesome for a reverse Navigator!

I think it would have been more thematic for him to modify one of the opponent's dice rolls. It seems to me that the emperor is way too much of a turd to be so cuddly and caring for his own pilots. Now, causing the enemy to run into asteroids, messing with their piloting while they are trying to evade or making them whif an important attack? Absolutely!

It's an ability that would have better suited a Rebel upgrade, like Ben.

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Edited by gabe69velasquez

Ben Kenobi / Yoda should be the diametric opposite.

'Once per round you may change an enemy ship's die result...'

Realistically this is at most a buff to Shuttle + 2 Aces, on Kenkirk other things still remain better.

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Wouldn't Ben be more appropriately slotted as 'modification' over 'crew' he's a Force-Ghost not really taking up space...

He's UP. He should have been able to change one dice result, not just one die result. In other words, all the dice in a single roll, not just one die of many.

He'd be way under priced if that was the case.

At 2 crew and 8 squad points? Psh, naw. 2 crew is a prohibitive cost, and 8 squad points is unmatched.

Being able to guarantee an attack roll of 5 to 6 crits every round doesn't seem kind of overpowered for only 8 points and 2 crew slots? 6 crits has the possibility of one-shotting every small base ship other than the B-Wing and a lot of those ships are highly likely to be one shotted. He'd make a 3 agility ship with a Stealth Device impossible to hit if you aren't throwing 5+ dice. For 8 points, getting to replace everything on one roll a round with what ever results you desired for the ship that the crew is on would be a bit on the overpowered side. Add the unlimited range, immunity to action denial, and not having to commit to using him until you see what you rolled and it would be ridiculous.

I think it would have been more thematic for him to modify one of the opponent's dice rolls. It seems to me that the emperor is way too much of a turd to be so cuddly and caring for his own pilots. Now, causing the enemy to run into asteroids, messing with their piloting while they are trying to evade or making them whif an important attack? Absolutely!

I'm also disappointed by Emperor Palpatine's ability, it's too "friendly" for the "Dark Lord of the Sith."

It's an ability that would have better suited a rebel upgrade, like Ben.

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Oh, great, now I can't read that last line 'that die result cannot be modified again' without hearing it in Obi-Wan's voice.

Thanks.

He's UP. He should have been able to change one dice result, not just one die result. In other words, all the dice in a single roll, not just one die of many.

He'd be way under priced if that was the case.

At 2 crew and 8 squad points? Psh, naw. 2 crew is a prohibitive cost, and 8 squad points is unmatched.

Being able to guarantee an attack roll of 5 to 6 crits every round doesn't seem kind of overpowered for only 8 points and 2 crew slots? 6 crits has the possibility of one-shotting every small base ship other than the B-Wing and a lot of those ships are highly likely to be one shotted. He'd make a 3 agility ship with a Stealth Device impossible to hit if you aren't throwing 5+ dice. For 8 points, getting to replace everything on one roll a round with what ever results you desired for the ship that the crew is on would be a bit on the overpowered side. Add the unlimited range, immunity to action denial, and not having to commit to using him until you see what you rolled and it would be ridiculous.

And he'd be worthy of the title "emperor" then, wouldn't he? Not to mention Master of the Sith...

He's UP. He should have been able to change one dice result, not just one die result. In other words, all the dice in a single roll, not just one die of many.

He'd be way under priced if that was the case.

At 2 crew and 8 squad points? Psh, naw. 2 crew is a prohibitive cost, and 8 squad points is unmatched.

Being able to guarantee an attack roll of 5 to 6 crits every round doesn't seem kind of overpowered for only 8 points and 2 crew slots? 6 crits has the possibility of one-shotting every small base ship other than the B-Wing and a lot of those ships are highly likely to be one shotted. He'd make a 3 agility ship with a Stealth Device impossible to hit if you aren't throwing 5+ dice. For 8 points, getting to replace everything on one roll a round with what ever results you desired for the ship that the crew is on would be a bit on the overpowered side. Add the unlimited range, immunity to action denial, and not having to commit to using him until you see what you rolled and it would be ridiculous.

And he'd be worthy of the title "emperor" then, wouldn't he? Not to mention Master of the Sith...

Having playtested just 2 games against the card, Palpatine is nuts good, it's unreal.

Wouldn't Ben be more appropriately slotted as 'modification' over 'crew' he's a Force-Ghost not really taking up space...

Edited by gabe69velasquez

I think it would have been more thematic for him to modify one of the opponent's dice rolls. It seems to me that the emperor is way too much of a turd to be so cuddly and caring for his own pilots. Now, causing the enemy to run into asteroids, messing with their piloting while they are trying to evade or making them whif an important attack? Absolutely!

I'm also disappointed by Emperor Palpatine's ability, it's too "friendly" for the "Dark Lord of the Sith."

It's an ability that would have better suited a rebel upgrade, like Ben.

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Oh, great, now I can't read that last line 'that die result cannot be modified again' without hearing it in Obi-Wan's voice.

Thanks.

You're welcome.

...if you like that one check out "Star Wars: Vader's Flashback.s" A brilliant re-edit.

Edited by gabe69velasquez

Wouldn't Ben be more appropriately slotted as 'modification' over 'crew' he's a Force-Ghost not really taking up space...

Yes, the original text I used had the card as a crew upgrade that both added a crew upgrade slot and had an ability, to get around the force ghost thing. I think the modification has to stay with the physicality of the ship. This was just to illustrate a contrast.

I consider Force-Ghosts to be similar to PotMS..

And it's true; from a certain point of view.

Wouldn't Ben be more appropriately slotted as 'modification' over 'crew' he's a Force-Ghost not really taking up space...

Yes, the original text I used had the card as a crew upgrade that both added a crew upgrade slot and had an ability, to get around the force ghost thing. I think the modification has to stay with the physicality of the ship. This was just to illustrate a contrast.

I consider Force-Ghosts to be similar to PotMS..

Power Of The Machine Spirit , Warhammer 40K.

I don't know anything about this game, but I know how to search online pretty **** good.

Besides if I were to actually make a playable Ben Kenobi card,

not just to illustrate a point, then I would make him living.

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Edited by gabe69velasquez