On another note: I see a lot of people thinking of using Moff with him.

Technically, you will not be able to use moff on him, because moff card states: you may discard and upgrade or Crew card. It shows one crew icon, the emperor has 2 crew icons. So I think they are saying Moff won't work on him.

Logically it should, but perhaps FFG will have to rule on that on a FAQ. Because according to the RAW moff will not work on emperor.

I disagree. He is still a crew card even if he fills two slots.

I agree with you, but technically. The moff card states 1 crew icon and he has 2 on his card. So by the RAW (Read as Written rules), he cannot be used by moff

On another note: I see a lot of people thinking of using Moff with him.

Technically, you will not be able to use moff on him, because moff card states: you may discard and upgrade or Crew card. It shows one crew icon, the emperor has 2 crew icons. So I think they are saying Moff won't work on him.

Logically it should, but perhaps FFG will have to rule on that on a FAQ. Because according to the RAW moff will not work on emperor.

That will be awkward when they get to Coruscant.

"Thank god you made it through that ambush! Wait, where's the Emperor!"

"I had to make a choice. Our pilot was going to be blinded by that shot. I needed something to cover the windshield to dim the light, and he had those dark, billowy robes..."

I have to fly Palpatine in a Decimator, just so I can throw him out the airlock with Jerjerrod.

Icon on back of card will set emporer as crew, double icons just give cost.

This. Palpatine still qualifies as a crew card, the additional icon is just part of the cost to field him.

Since the timing on this is "once per round" can you change an attack die after the defender has already rolled and modified their roll?

Yeah, elsewhere people have stated it as "anytime", but I don't read it that way. Anytime you would normally be able to modify dice. So just as you must choose on using focus before the defender rolls, you would also have to use the Emperor then. My interpretation.

And this. The card doesn't say 'anytime,' so he would be subject to the normal timing rules of the game, i.e. modifying dice during the relevant dice modification steps.

One of the best designed cards I've seen ever.

Possible on 100 pt? Fits only on Imp ships that make sense without even having a written requirement. UGH. Huge opportunity cost.

Most costly 100pt crew member possible.

Fluff viable.

Strong but not overpowered.

UGH. NO range restriction!

Such amazing design. Kudos design team.

One thing I will say, is this opens up the possibility of other jedi and sith too. I could see a Yoda card with something similar.

As for being crew: You may be right. If the back of the card only has 1 crew on it, then I guess moff could shoot him out an airlock. It's just seems wrong to me, but I guess so.

Juno predator ATC

vader predator ATC engine

Shuttle FCS palps

100 on the nose

On another note: I see a lot of people thinking of using Moff with him.

Technically, you will not be able to use moff on him, because moff card states: you may discard and upgrade or Crew card. It shows one crew icon, the emperor has 2 crew icons. So I think they are saying Moff won't work on him.

Logically it should, but perhaps FFG will have to rule on that on a FAQ. Because according to the RAW moff will not work on emperor.

I disagree. He is still a crew card even if he fills two slots.

I agree with you, but technically. The moff card states 1 crew icon and he has 2 on his card. So by the RAW (Read as Written rules), he cannot be used by moff

On another note: I see a lot of people thinking of using Moff with him.

Technically, you will not be able to use moff on him, because moff card states: you may discard and upgrade or Crew card. It shows one crew icon, the emperor has 2 crew icons. So I think they are saying Moff won't work on him.

Logically it should, but perhaps FFG will have to rule on that on a FAQ. Because according to the RAW moff will not work on emperor.

I disagree. He is still a crew card even if he fills two slots.

I agree with you, but technically. The moff card states 1 crew icon and he has 2 on his card. So by the RAW (Read as Written rules), he cannot be used by moff

The Jerjerrod card never specifies that a single crew icon, and only a single crew icon, needs to appear on the card. Palpatine is a crew card and has a crew icon. To say that you can't discard him is a big stretch that isn't really supported by anything.

Well, this opens the door to a Jabba crew card that takes 2 slots (due to sheer size alone). His ability would be:

Hidden dead man's switch:

"Prior to rolling defensife dice, a ship may instead be self-destructed to cause 1 damage to every ship at range 1."

Thematic, I would say

Hey as far as prox mines work who rolls the dice? Because that can either be a huge free 3 crits or a super troll 3 blanks whichever way it goes

One thing I will say, is this opens up the possibility of other jedi and sith too. I could see a Yoda card with something similar.

As for being crew: You may be right. If the back of the card only has 1 crew on it, then I guess moff could shoot him out an airlock. It's just seems wrong to me, but I guess so.

It doesn't matter if there are 1000 images of that crew icon all over every side of the card, it works the same. The single icon on Moff's card is purely shorthand for 'a crew upgrade card', which describes Palpatine by his type, not his cost.

Hey as far as prox mines work who rolls the dice? Because that can either be a huge free 3 crits or a super troll 3 blanks whichever way it goes

The person hitting the mine rolls the dice. Palpatine can only affect a single die so he could guarantee that you would get at least one blank but nothing more.

Why would anyone actually want to throw Palpie out the back of a Deci?!? He costs 8 pts! Moff JJ would almost always throw himself out before Palpie, unless it is in the end game, Palpie has already changed the die for the round, and you need to cancel two crits (Palpie & Moff JJ) just to survive for one more round/shot.

Why would anyone actually want to throw Palpie out the back of a Deci?!? He costs 8 pts! Moff JJ would almost always throw himself out before Palpie, unless it is in the end game, Palpie has already changed the die for the round, and you need to cancel two crits (Palpie & Moff JJ) just to survive for one more round/shot.

Very true. My point is in the Fluff it just doesn't make sense. The emperor would sense the move before moff could make it and stop him.

Hey as far as prox mines work who rolls the dice? Because that can either be a huge free 3 crits or a super troll 3 blanks whichever way it goes

The person hitting the mine rolls the dice. Palpatine can only affect a single die so he could guarantee that you would get at least one blank but nothing more.

Why would anyone actually want to throw Palpie out the back of a Deci?!?

Because it would be hilarious.

My point is in the Fluff it just doesn't make sense. The emperor would sense the move before moff could make it and stop him.

Yes, just like he sensed Vader's betrayal and had him killed before bringing Luke aboard Death Star II.

Juno predator ATC

vader predator ATC engine

Shuttle FCS palps

100 on the nose

FCS on a shuttle makes very little sense - it's practically impossible to get follow-up shots against the same target given that things dial. You'd be better served with anti-pursuit lasers or tactical jammer on it for those points.

Or maybe take Zertik instead of Juno, and slap a sensor jammer on the shuttle.

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Maybe Jerjerrod is bundling Palpatine off on an escape pod so he doesn't go down with the ship.

Vader, Lone Wolf, engine, title, atc

Soontir, PtL, title, stealth, auto thrusters

OGP, Palpatine

100 points and I think will be a contender for sure.

On another note: I see a lot of people thinking of using Moff with him.

Technically, you will not be able to use moff on him, because moff card states: you may discard and upgrade or Crew card. It shows one crew icon, the emperor has 2 crew icons. So I think they are saying Moff won't work on him.

Logically it should, but perhaps FFG will have to rule on that on a FAQ. Because according to the RAW moff will not work on emperor.

I disagree. He is still a crew card even if he fills two slots.

I agree with you, but technically. The moff card states 1 crew icon and he has 2 on his card. So by the RAW (Read as Written rules), he cannot be used by moff

The moff card doesn't state "one crew icon" though. So I see no reason you couldn't throw Palpatine out.

The rules are permissive, which means you can only do what cards explicably inform you to do. Jerjerpd doesn't say he can eject two crews, or double crews, so he can't.

If you look in the core rulebook you'll see that an upgrade is identified by the icon in the lower left of the card (not the back). Since two icons are not one icon they are separate upgrades and not covered by Mofftor J.

we need to photoshop moff's face into the scene from ROTJ where Vader throws palpy into the...thing

Why would anyone actually want to throw Palpie out the back of a Deci?!?

Because it would be hilarious.

My point is in the Fluff it just doesn't make sense. The emperor would sense the move before moff could make it and stop him.

Yes, just like he sensed Vader's betrayal and had him killed before bringing Luke aboard Death Star II.

The difference is, that vader was force sensitive and knows how to hide his emotions because of it. But moff has no abilities like that. Plus the emperor underestimated Luke, and figured he would just crush him. He didn't know he was trained by Yoda or that Luke could turn him.

On another note: I see a lot of people thinking of using Moff with him.

Technically, you will not be able to use moff on him, because moff card states: you may discard and upgrade or Crew card. It shows one crew icon, the emperor has 2 crew icons. So I think they are saying Moff won't work on him.

Logically it should, but perhaps FFG will have to rule on that on a FAQ. Because according to the RAW moff will not work on emperor.

I disagree. He is still a crew card even if he fills two slots.

I agree with you, but technically. The moff card states 1 crew icon and he has 2 on his card. So by the RAW (Read as Written rules), he cannot be used by moff

The moff card doesn't state "one crew icon" though. So I see no reason you couldn't throw Palpatine out.

It uses one icon. That says you can only eject one icon.

The rules are permissive, which means you can only do what cards explicably inform you to do. Jerjerpd doesn't say he can eject two crews, or double crews, so he can't.

If you look in the core rulebook you'll see that an upgrade is identified by the icon in the lower left of the card (not the back). Since two icons are not one icon they are separate upgrades and not covered by Mofftor J.

That is a gigantic stretch. Palpatine is a Crew Upgrade. That is what Jerjerrod instructs you to discard.

I do imagine that the rules insert that comes with the Raider will explain how to handle upgrades that fill multiple slots and those rules will end up reprinted in the FAQ. I'd imagine that there may be more cards in the future that require multiple slots. This may explain the double cannon slots on the Aggressor.

It's not a stretch to look at the rule book and say "yup, what's printed here is accurate an absolute."

I agree that there will be an FAQ or whatever but right now, using the information we currently have, you can't Jerjerod the Emperor.