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By Deltmi, in X-Wing

But there is a third option Vorpal. That's that he is a crew card but not a <crew symbol> upgrade.

There is no such thing in the rules as a "crew card". Either he's a [crew] upgrade card, or he's some other type.

PewPewPew keeps saying that there's a critical difference between a [crew] upgrade and a [crew][crew] upgrade. And that's possible, but very implausible because it's (a) not parsimonious, (b) potentially very confusing, and © breaks all future interactions between Palpatine and anything that affects [crew] upgrades.

There's a simpler, less confusing, and future-proof way to handle it, and that is to treat Palpatine as a [crew] upgrade card.

Also Vorpal I'm assuming you are an adult so unless you are a child please grow up. There was zero reason to be snarky.

Yes, there was: I enjoy being snarky.

The one hand clapping comment added nothing to your point...

But it was funny. Also, PewPewPew was/is being ridiculous, and humor is a perfectly appropriate reaction to someone being ridiculous.

More seriously, suppose someone came on the boards and started shouting that Luke Skywalker is the best X-wing pilot because he gets to convert an [eye] results to a [boom] result when he attacks. How should we respond to that? You can argue the rules, but this hypothetical poster claims he's following the rules as written and just keeps repeating the same claim, with no further support.

There's nothing to argue with, because this hypothetical person starts and ends with an assumption he's not willing to reconsider. There's not much to do with that person except make jokes and (here, at least) start talking about breakfast food.

So here I started making wisecracks, and WonderWAAAGH brought up bacon. I'd call that an example of specialization of labor in action, but really it's more of a coincidence: WonderWAAAGH can be pretty funny, and I'm also a proponent of preserved pork products, so it could have gone either way.

In hopes that we can talk about more exciting things...

What are some lists/combos you want to use that includes Palpatine?

Um, all of them. Any of them that have been in front of me all these years.

Well I started this way back around page 6. When you think about it this is what ffg wants. This is one of the main reasons they have previews. They want us to review the card and ask questions, so they can see if they missed any logic or card interaction. This way they can add it to the FAQ before the release.

No, they don't. By the time the previews show up, it's too late to make changes: the cards and cardboard have entered the printing process.

Some people have analytical minds and jobs which require precise thinking and focus. I understand where pew is coming from. My wife has to constantly tell me to stop analyzing it some much and accept that something's are not 100% defined. It hard for people with our training and thought processes to do.

We are very much RAW in our lives and sometimes we take it too far.

Is that so? I was an engineer and then a technical writer before I went back to school to work in a field that focuses on statistics and research design. Perhaps you can tell me more about this idea of analysis. :P

However, in this case I think we have helped ffg discover something which now they will clearly fix by release date. Think of our minds as Sheldon from Big Bang. Then you will understand our thought processes a little better and why we must state these things.

This has helped FFG discover, if they didn't already know it, that there's no interaction in this game too simple to be misinterpreted. I'm not sure how helpful that will really be, though.

Ridicule is often the most effective method for dealing with intractable positions.

I'm not wading through 200 posts. What are people trying to accomplish by classifying Palp as something other than crew?(which he very clearly is)

An article for one card? Yup, a card worth a whole article by himself.

I like the design of double upgrade slots. I wonder if that will be used again in the future. It keeps him off fighters, thats for sure. And such a powerful ability. Should be interesting to see how this goes in the game.

Yep, very cool design indeed for that card, and priced accordingly in my opinion. We might see that double upgrade use again I think. Maybe a Rebel equivalent for a Yoda card? :-)

Yoda was never directly involved with the Galactic Civil War.

But it does set things up for Jabba on a Hound's Tooth.

OK, maybe (about Yoda)... I didn't realize it needed to be perfectly aligned like that. One could argue he still has an influence through the Force, but OK.

Jabba going along for a ride doesn't strike me as very thematic though. Sure, he can "motivate" his troops I guess, but actually fighting in space?!

No don't stop, I was just getting the popcorn!!

No don't stop, I was just getting the popcorn!!

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The only solution to this thread is to do what WonderWAAAAGH has done.

Bacon.

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Edited by GiraffeandZebra

No one gives a crap if you can discard an upgrade that you would never want to discard in the first place. Jerjerrod is going to jettison himself first. If you want to have a nerd boner by jettisoning the emperor than do it, I guarantee your opponent will let you.

No one gives a crap if you can discard an upgrade that you would never want to discard in the first place. Jerjerrod is going to jettison himself first. If you want to have a nerd boner by jettisoning the emperor than do it, I guarantee your opponent will let you.

!!!

:D

An article for one card? Yup, a card worth a whole article by himself.

I like the design of double upgrade slots. I wonder if that will be used again in the future. It keeps him off fighters, thats for sure. And such a powerful ability. Should be interesting to see how this goes in the game.

Yep, very cool design indeed for that card, and priced accordingly in my opinion. We might see that double upgrade use again I think. Maybe a Rebel equivalent for a Yoda card? :-)

Yoda was never directly involved with the Galactic Civil War.

But it does set things up for Jabba on a Hound's Tooth.

OK, maybe (about Yoda)... I didn't realize it needed to be perfectly aligned like that. One could argue he still has an influence through the Force, but OK.

Jabba going along for a ride doesn't strike me as very thematic though. Sure, he can "motivate" his troops I guess, but actually fighting in space?!

Given his size, wouldn't Jabba need three or four crew slots!?! LOL!

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What is this BS about Jabba not fighting in space, does Emperor Palpatine fight in space?

You obviously haven't heard of the Star Jewel. 160 meters of epicness.

Edited by gabe69velasquez

For **** Sake ppl stop feeding the trolls on the stupid upgrade ****......

Palps shuttle + 2 fighters is gonna be a beast of a list, the question is which 2 with him?

Vader

Juno

Jax

Fel

Two of those, or 1 of those + named tie fighter pilots?

For **** Sake ppl stop feeding the trolls on the stupid upgrade ****......

Palps shuttle + 2 fighters is gonna be a beast of a list, the question is which 2 with him?

Vader

Juno

Jax

Fel

Two of those, or 1 of those + named tie fighter pilots?

I don't know man, Pancakes with syrup are gonna be pretty hard to beat, but I think my bacon with auto-crispy should be able to pull through.

For **** Sake ppl stop feeding the trolls on the stupid upgrade ****......

Palps shuttle + 2 fighters is gonna be a beast of a list, the question is which 2 with him?

Vader

Juno

Jax

Fel

Two of those, or 1 of those + named tie fighter pilots?

Agreed!

Out of those four,I would go with Fel and Vader or Jax instead of Vader. I've recently played against Jax and Fel. In the right hands, they are almost impossible to kill.

For **** Sake ppl stop feeding the trolls on the stupid upgrade ****......

Palps shuttle + 2 fighters is gonna be a beast of a list, the question is which 2 with him?

Vader

Juno

Jax

Fel

Two of those, or 1 of those + named tie fighter pilots?

Agreed!

Out of those four,I would go with Fel and Vader or Jax instead of Vader. I've recently played against Jax and Fel. In the right hands, they are almost impossible to kill.

Whoah mate, it's like we're talking about X-wing and not food in here.

For **** Sake ppl stop feeding the trolls on the stupid upgrade ****......

Palps shuttle + 2 fighters is gonna be a beast of a list, the question is which 2 with him?

Vader

Juno

Jax

Fel

Two of those, or 1 of those + named tie fighter pilots?

Agreed!

Out of those four,I would go with Fel and Vader or Jax instead of Vader. I've recently played against Jax and Fel. In the right hands, they are almost impossible to kill.

I like the idea of Jax and Strom with Palpatine just because of how aggravating dealing with those two at range one will be. There's plenty of points left over so I'd maybe put Palpatine on Yorr to periodically pull stress away from Jax.

My two cents.

Colonel Jendon (26)

Fire-Control System (2)

"Mangler" Cannon (4)

Emperor Palpatine (8)

Royal Guard Pilot (22)

Outmaneuver (3)

Autothrusters (2)

Stealth Device (3)

Royal Guard TIE (0)

Royal Guard Pilot (22)

Outmaneuver (3)

Autothrusters (2)

Stealth Device (3)

Royal Guard TIE (0)

Total: 100

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Captain Yorr (24)

Advanced Sensors (3)

Ion Cannon (3)

Emperor Palpatine (8)

Scimitar Squadron Pilot (16)

Extra Munitions (2)

Proton Torpedoes (4)

Homing Missiles (5)

Proximity Mines (3)

Munitions Failsafe (1)

Scimitar Squadron Pilot (16)

Extra Munitions (2)

Proton Torpedoes (4)

Homing Missiles (5)

Proximity Mines (3)

Munitions Failsafe (1)

Total: 100

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Well, if you've printed them out like I have.

Gonna try one of these this week.

Edited by gabe69velasquez

Palpatine and a flight of bombers, ensuring the ordnance will punch through.

What, the most inane debate on the internet has petered out?

Why am I the last to the party?

What, the most inane debate on the internet has petered out?

Why am I the last to the party?

Because you are like the Emperor at the end of ROTJ: late.

What, the most inane debate on the internet has petered out?

Why am I the last to the party?

Because you are like the Emperor at the end of ROTJ: late.

Ouch!

What, the most inane debate on the internet has petered out?

Why am I the last to the party?

most inane debate on the internet?

did you just discover the world-wide-web today :P?

What, the most inane debate on the internet has petered out?

Why am I the last to the party?

I suspect someone got reported, judging by the mod visit that appears in his "Latest Visitors" list. Just a guess.

What, the most inane debate on the internet has petered out?

Why am I the last to the party?

Wait the taco vs burrito argument has stalled?

What, the most inane debate on the internet has petered out?

Why am I the last to the party?

Wait the taco vs burrito argument has stalled?

"Turkey Club sandwich with cole slaw and a cherry coke. "

Edited by gabe69velasquez

I suspect someone got reported, judging by the mod visit that appears in his "Latest Visitors" list. Just a guess.

While it was an annoying as all get out argument, I didn't see anyone post anything that was against forum rules or worth reporting. (I was tempted several times to MAKE a post that would have been reported though)

What, the most inane debate on the internet has petered out?

Why am I the last to the party?

Wait the taco vs burrito argument has stalled?

It was over a long time ago..once the chicken taco entered the arena it was all over.