we're going to need reprints on our shuttles and decis

maybe theyre trying to nerf cheri by only letting him take one crew and one crewcrew?

I don't want to even think about a CrewCrewCrew upgrade; that just sounds obnoxious.

Let's try it this way.

Say we had a hypothetical card that required both a cannon and a system slot, so it has both a cannon symbol and a system symbol down in the corner. Would you be arguing that IG-88 B could not use his ability on such an upgrade? This is the exact same situation, just the 2 symbols happen to be identical.

This is also the same argument the armada boards have been having with a wave 1 card recently. Admiral screed allows a player to change a die to a face with a crit symbol. Some of the dice have faces with both a hit and a crit symbol and there have been people arguing that he couldn't change those dice to that face. Those people at least eventually admitted that they were wrong, this has just stretched out to comical proportions.

we'll call it the jfilmer shunt!

Somehow I don't think the 'Jfilmer-Shunt Decimator' will be tearing up the meta anytime soon...

We don't know the back of the card yet, it may have 2 crew on it...

Best thing about this thread...

"Gloom Shuttle". Brilliant

Let's try it this way.

Say we had a hypothetical card that required both a cannon and a system slot, so it has both a cannon symbol and a system symbol down in the corner. Would you be arguing that IG-88 B could not use his ability on such an upgrade? This is the exact same situation, just the 2 symbols happen to be identical.

This is also the same argument the armada boards have been having with a wave 1 card recently. Admiral screed allows a player to change a die to a face with a crit symbol. Some of the dice have faces with both a hit and a crit symbol and there have been people arguing that he couldn't change those dice to that face. Those people at least eventually admitted that they were wrong, this has just stretched out to comical proportions.

With secondary weapons, such as cannons, the designers had the forethought not to include symbols on the crit damage card that affects them incase a new class of secondary weapons was ever created that they hadn't thought of when they created the core set. Mr. Moff was created much later but it must be assumed that just as much forethought went into his creation such that any ship crew he could ride with, and only ship crew he was riding with, would fulfill the conditions of his effect. If a card fills a crew slot on the same ship that he is in, he can push the eject button on their seat. Regardless how many slots his card fills, when the eject button is pressed, Big Poppa Palp's crew card is still a crew card filling a crew slot on the same ship for all intents and purposes. But he would force lightening the hell out of that ship as soon as he was removed.

So once per round? Is that like once per turn or phase or game (as in a round in a tournament)?

A round consists of the following four Phases.

Planning phase

Activation phase

Combat phase

End phase

Once a round is finished you immediately start a new one.

Source: I read the rule book.

So once per turn. Got it thanks.

Nifty, I came up with a thematic list (not too different from the one in the article, but more thematic!)

Colonel Jendon:

Emperor Palpatine

ST-321

Carnor Jax:

Royal Guard TIE

Push The Limit

Autothrusters

Stealth Device

Kir Kanos:

Royal Guard TIE

Autothrusters

Stealth Device

PTL Jax, because PTL Jax. Emperor riding with Jendon is passing out a TL for Kanos to modify his dice with while the Emperor makes sure both of them are rolling as many evades as possible, keeping those SDs intact and possibly allowing Kanos to hang on to that ever-so-useful Evade token of his.

Now I want to fly this, like, yesterday. So happy I'm getting my Raider on the cheap.

Vader and Palpatine together on a Decimator, because you want to reenact Vader tossing Palpatine down a hole.

That would be Moff Jerrod's job. Come to think of it the none of the upgrade cards (except for C-3PO) really fit their roll in the movies. I mean you don't get to discard Ozzel when you use him.

Read the edit. He counts as two.

And I refuted your other point where I mentioned in "other symptoms" that you're confusing text for an icon.

So, I am wondering... Your point is basically that he can't jettison Palps because he is not (x) but (x)(x) and I get your point - from language standpoint it makes more sense than others' arguments that focus on the fact that he is an [upgrade card] which is the name of card type and not exactly what Moff states as the condition as there is no "crew card" in the description, just crew icon.

But if you focus on raw ruling and laws of logic (one crew symbol over two) shouldn't you treat the card as one that fulfills the requirement anyway? I know others brought up this point already but I believe it was underargumented. From raw rules standpoint wouldnt (x)(y) combined card also fulfill the conditions? Say, a card that takes up both a crew and modification slots. You say that Moff can't do it because he doesn't include (y), (z) or any other icon... But does he really have to?

Let's look at Magic: The Gathering (after all those years that is the best thing you could refer to in such cases in my opinion):

A card that destroys a "creature" also destroys "enchantment creature" even though it only states one of the listed types, just like cards that destroy enchantments can kill it.

Another one - protection from white colour also gives you protection from (white)(red) cards because they already fulfill the condition. It doesn't matter if it has red, blue or all five colours - it still meets the condition with the white symbol.

Wouldn't Palpatine meet the requirements through the same solid logic?

And, to others - he couldn't discard two crits, because the effect relates to one card with that symbol, not the amount of symbols. One card for one crit.

Edit: fixed typos.

I can't believe this is still being argued about. Let it go. This isn't a debate team. What is wrong with you people.

In hopes that we can talk about more exciting things...

What are some lists/combos you want to use that includes Palpatine?

In hopes that we can talk about more exciting things...

What are some lists/combos you want to use that includes the emp?

EMP means electromagnetic pulse.

Silly back and forth aside is this now likely to supersede C3PO as the most sought after single upgrade in X-Wing? Or will the points cost limit its popularity?

In hopes that we can talk about more exciting things...

What are some lists/combos you want to use that includes Palpatine?

I think the great thing about this upgrade is that it will be applicable to loads of different lists - its not reliant on combinations to effect each and every game. It will definitely make the Shuttle more popular as a Palpatine caddy and could possibly make Soontir nearly unkillable. I'm thinking something like this:

Omicron Group Pilot

Emperor Palpatine

Soontir Fel

PTL

Autothrusters

Royal Guard Tie

Stealth Device

Darth Vader

PTL

x1

Advanced Targeting Computer

Stealth Device

Seriously people. The symbol on Jerjerrod's card is to IDENTIFY WHICH TYPE of upgrade cards (crew) he can discard, not to 'count' how many crew symbols he can airlock per round. Palpatine IS a crew upgrade card. It can be discarded by Jerjerrod.

Palpatine: Where is that new secure room, commander?

Jerjerrod: This way, your highness *opens the airlock door*

This part of the discussion should be on the rules sub-forum, anyways.

I can't believe this is still being argued about. Let it go. This isn't a debate team. What is wrong with you people.

We're nerds...was that not clear?

I think what we can take away from this thread is we need an adult to issue some time outs.

Let's look at Magic: The Gathering (after all those years that is the best thing you could refer to in such cases in my opinion):

A card that destroys a "creature" also destroys "enchantment creature" even though it only states one of the listed types, just like cards that destroy enchantments can kill it.

Another one - protection from white colour also gives you protection from (white)(red) cards because they already fulfill the condition. It doesn't matter if it has red, blue or all five colours - it still meets the condition with the white symbol.

And, to others - he couldn't discard two crits, because the effect relates to one card with that symbol, not the amount of symbols. One card for one crit.

The double slot part of the card excites me. Potential for other double-slot upgrades. Double slot ordnance that never runs out?

Also, I think the rebel counterpart would probably be Obi-wan Kenobi (since yoda was just chilling on Dagobah during the galactic civil war).

What would Kenobi's ability be?

Doesn't the Raider only have 2 crew slots? So the Emprah takes up all of them, short of a title that gives more crew slots. We haven't seen the back sides of the Raider cards, so we don't know whether a crippled section gets to retain a crew (or at least as far as I know). Not sure he is the best best choice on a Raider. In epic I would probably put him on a shuttle or Decimator regardless.

I really like his card, it is clear that they really thought hard about how to make him great and fitting for the game. I wasn't sure they would be able to make him viable in standard play, but they have done an outstanding job. The double crew slot was a great move. Can't wait for Jabba to take up 3 crew slots. Also now I really want an Obi Wan crew.

I don't see any reason for Kenobi to require two crew slots.

The double slot part of the card excites me. Potential for other double-slot upgrades. Double slot ordnance that never runs out?

A slug cannon using torpedo and cannon slot.

Longer ranged turrets using a crew and turret slot

Modification and Systems

Or any combination of those.

A B-Wing with a slicer crew and slicer system on a single card?

A TIE Punisher with drones using systems, bombs and missiles (for control, storage and launch respectively)?

Um, isn't it the BACK of the card that determines what type of upgrade it is?

Well I started this way back around page 6. When you think about it this is what ffg wants. This is one of the main reasons they have previews. They want us to review the card and ask questions, so they can see if they missed any logic or card interaction. This way they can add it to the FAQ before the release.

Some people have analytical minds and jobs which require precise thinking and focus. I understand where pew is coming from. My wife has to constantly tell me to stop analyzing it some much and accept that something's are not 100% defined. It hard for people with our training and thought processes to do.

We are very much RAW in our lives and sometimes we take it too far. However, in this case I think we have helped ffg discover something which now they will clearly fix by release date. Think of our minds as Sheldon from Big Bang. Then you will understand our thought processes a little better and why we must state these things.

Think of our minds as Sheldon from Big Bang. Then you will understand our thought processes a little better and why we must state these things.

I don't think you need to be autistic to wrap your mind around the fact that Palpatine is a crew card, and nothing else.

Not saying that. Just saying that Yes I agree it will work that way, but I also agree that it doesn't clearly state it as everyone else is saying. It's hard to explain. For a while I was being treated poorly because of my color choice for screens. Being color blind, I had chosen a choice which I could see, but others could not. Finally, someone told me about it and I fixed the issue.

I'm a Data Scientist for a living, and since I study medicines and their treatment therapy, I totally see where he is coming from.

Imagine a doctor says to you, "Take this drug it helps all people who have 1 of your issues, even though you have the same issue, but twice as bad. Will it work for you? probably not. I know this is a bit extreme, but you get my point.

If I'm not 100% correct in my analysis people could die from wrong dosing. So I have to be. This is why we see this issue and the way it is worded. We are programmed to dissect everything we see and break it down to its sub components.

The internet and communities online, bring an entire world of people together over a common subject. However each of those people have unique brains and thought processes, which means there will always be two or more sides to every subject. Right or Wrong.

We cannot get angry with people because they think differently, we must embrace their idea's and weigh them carefully. Sometimes they may have a new avenue we never even thought about, which can lead us to a world of discovery.

I appreciate your point of view and thank you for taking the time to thoughtfully comment on this topic. In this instance however I think there is a difference between two people having differing opinions on a topic and this circumstance where an individual refuses to engage with a logical, reasoned line of thinking in favor of regurgitating their own flawed theory ad nauseum based on leaps of logic with no evidential grounding.