I've only used Xizor so far but I am having a ton of fun using him. This is my current loadout,

Xizor /w Calculation, Virago, Sensor Jammer, Auto Thrusters

2x Cartel Spacer /w Heavy Scyk and Mangler Canon

Serissu

I was able to take out a list that has been one of my biggest headaches in Brobots with this list. I really need to try out Guri now to find out how different, plus see how the Generics work out. I wish the Tie Defender was this maneuverable, though I might have to give Vessery a try with Calculation.

Guri can be pretty fun, actually. I see your addiction getting worse.

I flew Guri in my second scum list. She is now part of all my scum lists. Soo much goodness.

It seems like the StarViper is going to be the next Defender. "It's good if you play it right."

Well there are certainly comparisons that can be made. I've had a lot more success with my vipers than with my defenders. All those wings, I should have find flashbacks of Tie Fighter and my old 486 but instead all I hear is, "Hi, this is Fits for slap chop...."

/edit ipad spelling...

The named ones are better than the defenders. They're certainly doing better at regionals that defenders are, even they still aren't top tier ships. If you guys haven't tried out KineticOperator's Guri yet you really have to see it in action.

Guri

Title

Sensor Jammer

Lone Wolf

Autothrusters

At range 3 your opponent can roll 3 natural hits and you can roll 4 natural blanks and still take 0 damage a significant part of the time.

The named ones are better than the defenders. They're certainly doing better at regionals that defenders are, even they still aren't top tier ships. If you guys haven't tried out KineticOperator's Guri yet you really have to see it in action.

Guri

Title

Sensor Jammer

Lone Wolf

Autothrusters

At range 3 your opponent can roll 3 natural hits and you can roll 4 natural blanks and still take 0 damage a significant part of the time.

I have to try that!

I saw someone flying this list on VASSAL:

Serissu w/ DtF = 21

Guri w/ LW, virago, SJ, ID & AT = 40

Palob w/ Opportunist, blaster, K4, ID, moldy crow & engine = 39

Looks pretty great. I think I'm gonna pull a Palob and steal it

I'm glad people are starting to warm up to the StarViper....I'm currently trying to figure up a squad using both Xizor and Guri...just don't know what else to use for a third ship because that's pretty much all that will be left in points is for a third ship. Maybe a Y-Wing or Palob

I don't think xizor and guri really synergize well.

I think IGs also need to be hit with 3 dice attacks preferably. Though a mass of 2dice shots should still do the trick. But if they have sensor jammer and auto and theyre keeping you decently well enough in R3. You're out of luck. the odds are never in your favor.

What Xizor and Guri needs is not third ship, its three more ships 3 pirates and you still have 3 points to give Xizor VI and autothrusters

It seems like the StarViper is going to be the next Defender. "It's good if you play it right."

Just reading the thread title made me think "hey, that kinda sounds like me and the Defender..."

Okay do we let the viper fans join the superamazingultraelite defender fan club, let's take a vote.

The named ones are better than the defenders. They're certainly doing better at regionals that defenders are, even they still aren't top tier ships. If you guys haven't tried out KineticOperator's Guri yet you really have to see it in action.

Guri

Title

Sensor Jammer

Lone Wolf

Autothrusters

At range 3 your opponent can roll 3 natural hits and you can roll 4 natural blanks and still take 0 damage a significant part of the time.

I have to try that!

I fail to see how Guri is better than Xizor would be in this build. Guru wants to be at range 1 not 3

I fail to see how Guri is better than Xizor would be in this build. Guru wants to be at range 1 not 3

Your opponent doesn't want Guri to be at R1, and with appropriate upgrades, they don't really want them to be at R3, either...leaving a very narrow R2 band of 'okay' from their point of view.

I've noticed something similar when using Carnor Jax.

The named ones are better than the defenders. They're certainly doing better at regionals that defenders are, even they still aren't top tier ships. If you guys haven't tried out KineticOperator's Guri yet you really have to see it in action.

Guri

Title

Sensor Jammer

Lone Wolf

Autothrusters

At range 3 your opponent can roll 3 natural hits and you can roll 4 natural blanks and still take 0 damage a significant part of the time.

I have to try that!

I fail to see how Guri is better than Xizor would be in this build. Guru wants to be at range 1 not 3

She wants to be at both. Free focus is pretty nice. Also ps7 and ps5 are basically the same for many games. Xizor's best builds are usually VI-based.

Has anyone had any luck in using non elite pilot Starvipers? I was thinking on using a Black sun enforcer with Xizor.

I've had a thought of a pair of the Black Sun Enforcers and Mux tricked out, but not sure how to finish it out. Seems like it would be fun and annoying list. If the Defender had a Systems slot that would be great, but the new modification might be what the Empire ordered as well,.

I want to fly 2 black sun's with a 50 point Iggy. I've had relative success with iggy and 4 Z's, so the starvipers should present a more interesting targeting priority choice.

Now I just have to talk myself into a second starviper for it all to come together.