Dodonna became a lot more powerful between the preview and the final version.
Does anyone else think he is too powerful?
Current:
http://starwars-armada.wikia.com/wiki/General_Dodonna
As Previewed:
As previewed, his ability only applied when a friendly ship attacked and scored critical damage. As currently written, it applies to all critical damage...
It gives a boost to Squadrons but it won't come into play often. And if you look at the current games he's not played out too powerful.
Edited by BeattyRedacted...
Edited by OverdawgIt gives a boost to Squadrons but it won't come into play often. And if you look at the current games he's not played out too powerful.
And don't forget asteroids do his bidding as well.
No, he is not to powerful. Why? Because the choice of crits will make little diffrence when the engineering command can simple remove it whenever the defender wants
As is he's still only mediocre. I'm not a fan, but as a non-option(the cheapest available commander) he's tolerable.
He would have needed to e substantially cheaper if his ability only boosted ships. Realistically, how many times do you actually get to trigger his ability as is.
No, he is not to powerful. Why? Because the choice of crits will make little diffrence when the engineering command can simple remove it whenever the defender wants
Except there are crits that render a ship unable to generate the number of repair points required to do so in an on demand manner, or even at all if your engineering value is low enough.
That is also discounting the crits which have an immediate effect, such as discarding a defense token. Or ones that will cause an effect that will at least matter that round.
Or you know the one that deals an extra damage card.
I played a match today where I started the second turn scoring a critical on the imperial player, pulled panicked crew (the one where they either don't get an order or take a damage) in the 4. He didn't give an order until he was able to cycle an engineering order up... and by that point, he was up to 7 damage on his VSD.
The other guy learned fast- critical hits can be friggen murder.
Critical hits are nasty, just about every single one. So you get to choose between 1 of the 4 that you pick. You were still going to get a critical and it was going to be some weak hit that he made way tougher, you just get to be more strategic with dealing a critical hit. It was going to suck in the first place anyways.
I think that, compared to Tarkin tossing out command tokens like Halloween candy, it's a good-but-not-extremely-good option. He's considerably cheaper than Tarkin too.
And since all the other cards go into the discard, it's entirely possible for him to draw too many good cards and take some umph! out of the damage deck for the future.
ability is too situational to be overpowered. You can't guarantee the effect of his ability like you can Garm or MM or Tarkin, Monti, Screed...
but it is powerful, and currently the only ability that (indirectly) helps squadrons 
unless you count free squadron tokens, but eh
Edited by ficklegreendiceI have found Tarkin to be over-rated. That said, he appears to be priced about right.
My opinion of Dodonna's pricing may be due to bad luck: my opponents have used him to heap on devastating crits in all but one case. Compared to halving Engineering, an extra point of damage is just meh.
I have found Tarkin to be over-rated. That said, he appears to be priced about right.
My opinion of Dodonna's pricing may be due to bad luck: my opponents have used him to heap on devastating crits in all but one case. Compared to halving Engineering, an extra point of damage is just meh.
I have found Tarkin to be over-rated. That said, he appears to be priced about right.
My opinion of Dodonna's pricing may be due to bad luck: my opponents have used him to heap on devastating crits in all but one case. Compared to halving Engineering, an extra point of damage is just meh.
I find that most of the crits in that deck are at least as severe as an additional damage card, and many are far worse.
I have found Tarkin to be over-rated. That said, he appears to be priced about right.
My opinion of Dodonna's pricing may be due to bad luck: my opponents have used him to heap on devastating crits in all but one case. Compared to halving Engineering, an extra point of damage is just meh.
I find that most of the crits in that deck are at least as severe as an additional damage card, and many are far worse.
favorite one so far:
engine failure for -1 speed when enemy ship is at speed 1
oh god, it's like the best possible version of overload pulse
As the cheapest HQ you can possibly bring, he's pretty good. Screed for 24 isn't nearly quite as effective at turning a game around.
As the cheapest HQ you can possibly bring, he's pretty good. Screed for 24 isn't nearly quite as effective at turning a game around.
Dodonna in Dodonna's Pride (Or at least, on the field somewhere) can royally screw over an Imperial list, as early as Turn 2. Rushing in and landing a Projector Misaligned crit or a Depowered Armament on a VSD before the Nebulon-B's face it off at long range can decide the game.
People talk about how Engineering neuters critical effects, but you rarely have the ability to safely spend the Engineering Points to remove the damage as, if you've taken a crit, you probably also have one or more hull zones with no shields.
Dodonna in Dodonna's Pride (Or at least, on the field somewhere) can royally screw over an Imperial list, as early as Turn 2. Rushing in and landing a Projector Misaligned crit or a Depowered Armament on a VSD before the Nebulon-B's face it off at long range can decide the game.
People talk about how Engineering neuters critical effects, but you rarely have the ability to safely spend the Engineering Points to remove the damage as, if you've taken a crit, you probably also have one or more hull zones with no shields.
Can. Yes. Will happen often? No. Will happen safely for the rebels. Even less often. That's a sacrifice play, and odds are it isn't going to work out.Dodonna in Dodonna's Pride (Or at least, on the field somewhere) can royally screw over an Imperial list, as early as Turn 2. Rushing in and landing a Projector Misaligned crit or a Depowered Armament on a VSD before the Nebulon-B's face it off at long range can decide the game.
People talk about how Engineering neuters critical effects, but you rarely have the ability to safely spend the Engineering Points to remove the damage as, if you've taken a crit, you probably also have one or more hull zones with no shields.
You have to look at its average effect on the game and Dodonna is good enough to take but not game breaking auto include.
Edited by Beatty
Agreed. We can come up with worse case scenarios for all the ships, commanders and upgrades but that is not respective of their actual power. Those are what we call Outliers.
Can. Yes. Will happen often? No. Will happen safely for the rebels. Even less often. That's a sacrifice play, and odds are it isn't going to work out.Dodonna in Dodonna's Pride (Or at least, on the field somewhere) can royally screw over an Imperial list, as early as Turn 2. Rushing in and landing a Projector Misaligned crit or a Depowered Armament on a VSD before the Nebulon-B's face it off at long range can decide the game.
People talk about how Engineering neuters critical effects, but you rarely have the ability to safely spend the Engineering Points to remove the damage as, if you've taken a crit, you probably also have one or more hull zones with no shields.
You have to look at its average effect on the game and Dodonna is good enough to take but not game breaking auto include.
Right, I was just pointing out that he is definitely worth his points. If my example happened every game, he'd need to cost more than Tarkin. Some upgrades have a high ceiling of impact with less reliability, like Dodonna here, and others have a lower impact with higher reliability, like Admiral Motti.
Right, I was just pointing out that he is definitely worth his points. If my example happened every game, he'd need to cost more than Tarkin. Some upgrades have a high ceiling of impact with less reliability, like Dodonna here, and others have a lower impact with higher reliability, like Admiral Motti.Agreed. We can come up with worse case scenarios for all the ships, commanders and upgrades but that is not respective of their actual power. Those are what we call Outliers.Can. Yes. Will happen often? No. Will happen safely for the rebels. Even less often. That's a sacrifice play, and odds are it isn't going to work out.Dodonna in Dodonna's Pride (Or at least, on the field somewhere) can royally screw over an Imperial list, as early as Turn 2. Rushing in and landing a Projector Misaligned crit or a Depowered Armament on a VSD before the Nebulon-B's face it off at long range can decide the game.
People talk about how Engineering neuters critical effects, but you rarely have the ability to safely spend the Engineering Points to remove the damage as, if you've taken a crit, you probably also have one or more hull zones with no shields.
You have to look at its average effect on the game and Dodonna is good enough to take but not game breaking auto include.
Dodonna effectively costs 0. He's the minimum requirement in your 280 point fleet. There is no cost to be earned. The question is, is Garm worth his 5 points? Is Mon Mothma worth her ten.
Almost. Is Garm worth his 5 points and loosing Dodonnas ability, same with MM?
Almost. Is Garm worth his 5 points and loosing Dodonnas ability, same with MM?Dodonna effectively costs 0. He's the minimum requirement in your 280 point fleet. There is no cost to be earned. The question is, is Garm worth his 5 points? Is Mon Mothma worth her ten.
Garm seems good, but he makes your first command dial worthless so he offers no benefit to CR-90's until turn 5.
Mon Mothma is expensive.
