Five questions and what is up with Mr H'Gar?

By furriebarry, in 2. AGoT Rules Discussion

1. Once I put my own attachments into play on my own character am I then able to move that attachment to another character?

2. Is it correct that Jon Snow can get two power per round if both he and Ghost participate in successful challenges? What about if they both win the same challenge?

3. If a character with an attachment kneels do any attachements on that character kneel? For example if I have attached Nymeria to Sansa Stark and Sansa is made to kneel, can I still use Nymeria to save her from being killed?

4. Is Ilyn Payne effective against the printed strength of a card or against their effective strength? Eg. If a character's strength is reduced from 3 to 2 can Ilyn Payne's ability now work against that character?

5. I know I have read the answer to this but I can't find it again. If a player loses an Intrigue Challenge but has no cards in his hand what happens?

Finally, does anyone actually allow Jaqen H'Gar in their games? We allowed him last night and he soon got ridiculously powerful. Bah!

furriebarry said:

1. No, if you're not allowed to do so by other game effects.

2. It's not possible. The effect is not cumulative by any mean. You can only trigger the effect "once" each time you meet the condition (Jon or Ghost partecipated in a challenge you won).

3. No. Attachements are independent cards. BTW, it's true that they follow the char if it dies ;-)

4. Every time a card states "strength" is referred to the ACTUAL STR. If you have to refer to PRINTED STR you'd find it stated in the card.

5. Nothing.

Jaqen H'Gar: personally I consider it a NON-sense card. I don't think someone is considering it legal.

It was overpowered...Than the ERRATA seemed to make him a "freak" in some cases, giving him an ability that made him "immortal" in some cases...

At that point (too late for me) they discovered it was useless to the game (I don't like autoincludes, even if there are some...But usually they don't win the game alone. ;-)

Hope it helps

1. No, if you're not allowed to do so by other game effects.

2. It's not possible. The effect is not cumulative by any mean. You can only trigger the effect "once" each time you meet the condition (Jon or Ghost partecipated in a challenge you won).

3. No. Attachements are independent cards. BTW, it's true that they follow the char if it dies ;-)

4. Every time a card states "strength" is referred to the ACTUAL STR. If you have to refer to PRINTED STR you'd find it stated in the card.

5. Nothing.

Jaqen H'Gar: personally I consider it a NON-sense card. I don't think someone is considering it legal.

It was overpowered...Than the ERRATA seemed to make him a "freak" in some cases, giving him an ability that made him "immortal" in some cases...

At that point (too late for me) they discovered it was useless to the game (I don't like autoincludes, even if there are some...But usually they don't win the game alone. ;-)

Hope it helps

Thank you for the answer.

2. So if they both participate in the same challenge he gets just one power. What about if they win seperate challenges?

Also, one more question :) Randyl Tarly, does his +1 for characters include himself?

2. Jon's ability Responds to you winning a challenge in which he or Ghost participated. So if they both participate in the same challenge, there is still only one challenge win to Respond to. But if they participate in different challenges, you could indeed Respond to each challenge separately.

3. BTW on BTW: Careful with the word "follow" here. If a character is killed, any attachments on it are discarded. So they "follow" the character out of play, but they do not "follow" the character to the dead pile.

6. Yes. Randyl Tarly is effectively a 4-STR character.

ktom said:

3. BTW on BTW: Careful with the word "follow" here. If a character is killed, any attachments on it are discarded. So they "follow" the character out of play, but they do not "follow" the character to the dead pile.

Sorry, man, you're right. Wording is very important, here...I was just trying to be "funny" in that sense ;-)

Thanks for your constant support, man.

Bye

DB_Cooper said:

...I was just trying to be "funny" in that sense ;-)

It was funny. I just get paranoid because it is easy to get waaay too literal around here.

ktom said:

2. Jon's ability Responds to you winning a challenge in which he or Ghost participated. So if they both participate in the same challenge, there is still only one challenge win to Respond to. But if they participate in different challenges, you could indeed Respond to each challenge separately.

Oh, two other considerations:

a. Jon's ability only says that he or Ghost must be participating in the challenge you win. It doesn't say anything about attacking or defending. So don't forget you can trigger his Response when you win on defense (provided Jon and/or Ghost participated).

b. Since Jon's ability uses his card title in its text, it is self-referential. So anywhere the card says "Jon Snow" in the Response, it essentially means "this card." The same is not true for Ghost. So if you win a challenge in which your opponent's copy of Ghost participated, you could trigger Jon's ability, even if your own copies of Jon and/or Ghost were not involved.

(And yes, this means that your Jon makes your opponent's Ghost immune to events in addition to yours, and vice versa.)