So with all the 4BZ lists running around, along with a healthy dose of Golds, Pirates, Academies, etc. which of the following swarms do you think would work best?
Tala x 6
Grey w/R3A2
Obsidian x 6
Howrunner w/PTL
Obsidian x 5
Dark Curse w/Shield
Night Beast
Black Sun Soldier x 6
Hired Gun w/autoblaster turret
dropping talas --> bandits (mitigated by grey --> gold) to get an ict plus title on the Y-wing would actually be very interesting. Y-wings without turrets are just silly, though.
For Ties, I would never be without backstabber. I think beast and curse hold up really well against all these bloated turrets since they don't pop so fast, but you the stabster is just incredible value if you can get him working.
dropping talas --> bandits (mitigated by grey --> gold) to get an ict plus title on the Y-wing would actually be very interesting. Y-wings without turrets are just silly, though.
For Ties, I would never be without backstabber. I think beast and curse hold up really well against all these bloated turrets since they don't pop so fast, but you the stabster is just incredible value if you can get him working.
My point of the Talas/grey is to trump all the PS2 Bwings, etc. running around. There are a lot of them in my meta.
So with all the 4BZ lists running around, along with a healthy dose of Golds, Pirates, Academies, etc. which of the following swarms do you think would work best?
Tala x 6
Grey w/R3A2
Obsidian x 6
Howrunner w/PTL
Obsidian x 5
Dark Curse w/Shield
Night Beast
Black Sun Soldier x 6
Hired Gun w/autoblaster turret
For the first list, I don't really like a Gray with just an astromech. I'd run a Green Squadron A-wing with either just a Procket for some decent burst damage, or as a flanker with PTL and ATs. Both come at 22 points.
Classic Obsidian swarm nothing really to change there.
Dark Curse is already a pain.. I'd drop the SU to change Nightbeast into Backstabber who you can flank with. That leaves you 3 points to put a SD or HU on Dark Curse.
I don't know if ABT is all that great against B-wings. They can shrug off two hits pretty easily. I'd run a Tansarri Vet with an Ion Cannon for a bit of control. Ion Cannons are almost auto-hits against B-wings. All you need to roll is two hits.
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I don't know if ABT is all that great against B-wings. They can shrug off two hits pretty easily. I'd run a Tansarri Vet with an Ion Cannon for a bit of control. Ion Cannons are almost auto-hits against B-wings. All you need to roll is two hits.
Yeah, if you are hunting B-Wings ABT isn't really useful. ABT isn't really much different than a regular two dice attack against a B-Wing. You trade a higher likelihood of of getting your crits canceled for a little bit better chance of getting your regular hits through.
In that list though, I'd think the Z swarm and the primary attack of the Y-Wing should be able to melt B-Wings and the ABT is there to create a danger zone for Interceptors.
I don't know if ABT is all that great against B-wings. They can shrug off two hits pretty easily. I'd run a Tansarri Vet with an Ion Cannon for a bit of control. Ion Cannons are almost auto-hits against B-wings. All you need to roll is two hits.
Yeah, if you are hunting B-Wings ABT isn't really useful. ABT isn't really much different than a regular two dice attack against a B-Wing. You trade a higher likelihood of of getting your crits canceled for a little bit better chance of getting your regular hits through.
In that list though, I'd think the Z swarm and the primary attack of the Y-Wing should be able to melt B-Wings and the ABT is there to create a danger zone for Interceptors.
Yeah, the ABT was just a "why not" point filler there. The main point is to trump all the PS2 running around, of which 4BZ is strong and prevalent.
Here are a couple more:
Tala x 5
Green Sq. w/refit x 2
Obsidian x 5
Dark Curse w/hull or stealth
Backstabber
Edited by sinclair51505x Obsidian Squadron, standard 35 point Soontir Fel.
Out of all the ones you listed though, probably Howl and Obsidians.
7x Black Squadron at 98 points gets you above ps 2 and also matches Tala and Dagger Squadron PS bids. Give you opponent initiative so they have to place their ships first.
5x Tala and 2 Green Squadrons seems nice too.
There is also just the classic 8 ship swarm, with half of them Obsidians/Talas.
Edited by ParaGoomba SlayerObsidian x 5
Dark Curse w/Shield
Night Beast
This one. I love, love, LOVE "Night Beast" and "Dark Curse" working together! However, I'd probably drop the Shield to make 4 of the Obsidians into Black Sq. Pilots. See below.
7x Black Squadron at 98 points gets you above ps 2 and also matches Tala and Dagger Squadron PS bids. Give you opponent initiative so they have to place their ships first.
Yeah, that's a really solid squad. I thoroughly enjoy running 7x Black Sq. Pilots, but it can get tedious flying it round after round.
So I took 5 Talas and 2 Greens w/Refit to a smallish Spring Tournament (15 players) this past weekend. Went 3-1, 3rd place. My only loss was to a Rexlar/ 5 Academies list where my offense AND defense dice just decided to take an early lunch break. My 3 wins were against a 4BZ list and two, yes two Chiraneau/Soontir lists.
The swarm testing will continue....
You should take into account that most of your rebel swarms you are flying against aren't fielding higher than PS2. Also most swarms tend to stay in block formations to maintain synergy of abilities.
This is why I prefer 4xBlack Sq. w/ predator , dark curse, and backstabber
With this TIE swarm you don't have to keep within formations also you aren't having to stay within range to share abilities.
You should take into account that most of your rebel swarms you are flying against aren't fielding higher than PS2. Also most swarms tend to stay in block formations to maintain synergy of abilities.
This is why I prefer 4xBlack Sq. w/ predator , dark curse, and backstabber
With this TIE swarm you don't have to keep within formations also you aren't having to stay within range to share abilities.
That is exactly why my Tala/Green swarm is PS 3 and 4. I also fly in a loose formation, not a nice little block.
I have to go with Tie swarm, but I'm kinda biased I guess. My HowlRunner build is Swarm tactics and HU though.