Kagi will do a great job vs. TIE Advanced squads because the Adv TC needs to target the space cow before it can target your real threats.

I think we will see more of Jendon and Kagi when the raider hits.

Unless you run him naked, Kagi is going to make up a third of your list. The Advanced will need to be dominating the meta for Kagi to be anything but a very niche choice.

By all means, continue to fly turrets and aces, derpy derp derp derp.

Huh? I'm not exactly sure what you're going on about. I don't know how you got "fly turrets and aces" out of "I don't think Kagi will be popular unless ATC Advanced's become a big problem".

At a third of your list Kagi is an ace. Forcing someone to shoot at an expensive target instead of another expensive target or at some squishy mook isn't exactly forcing a hard choice. Kagi only makes a difference when your enemy needs to target lock to be effective, doesn't have FCS, and doesn't want to kill Kagi. That means you're paying 6 points to for your list to have some extra protection against a few particular ships. If you aren't bumping into lists that use those ships very frequently those six points are better spent on things other than having a PS8 shuttle instead of one at PS2. If every other list you hit has Vader and Juno chewing up your Interceptors bringing Kagi might make sense. If that's more like once every five games Kagi is a bit of a waste.

I missed the memo stating aggressive, math-wing, meta-lobotomized competitive play was the only way to play the game.

I'm not arguing anything you're saying, I'm just saying TIE Advanced makes target locks the new orange, and Kagi wears them so fashion.

Expert Handling, Countermeasures, Kagi, and Jendon *will* see more play than they did previously.

I find the notion that we should be ignoring the little toys that don't make top cut embarrassing.

Lady, you've obviously got some sort of axe to grind and I'm not sure what I did to trigger it.

Kagi is a counter, if there's nothing to counter he's not even a fun toy. That's got nothing to do with "aggressive, math-wing, meta-lobotomized competitive play". Kagi will probably see more play when the Advaced drops. I'm doubting that it will be a big enough increase in usage that anyone that doesn't track tournament stats will really notice unless one of the people you frequently play decides to put Kagi on the table. If they do, it's probably because they are reacting to their local meta (which may consist entirely of just you running an ATC heavy list) and not because Kagi looks super fun.

Kagi will do a great job vs. TIE Advanced squads because the Adv TC needs to target the space cow before it can target your real threats.

I think we will see more of Jendon and Kagi when the raider hits.

Unless you run him naked, Kagi is going to make up a third of your list. The Advanced will need to be dominating the meta for Kagi to be anything but a very niche choice.

By all means, continue to fly turrets and aces, derpy derp derp derp.

Huh? I'm not exactly sure what you're going on about. I don't know how you got "fly turrets and aces" out of "I don't think Kagi will be popular unless ATC Advanced's become a big problem".

At a third of your list Kagi is an ace. Forcing someone to shoot at an expensive target instead of another expensive target or at some squishy mook isn't exactly forcing a hard choice. Kagi only makes a difference when your enemy needs to target lock to be effective, doesn't have FCS, and doesn't want to kill Kagi. That means you're paying 6 points to for your list to have some extra protection against a few particular ships. If you aren't bumping into lists that use those ships very frequently those six points are better spent on things other than having a PS8 shuttle instead of one at PS2. If every other list you hit has Vader and Juno chewing up your Interceptors bringing Kagi might make sense. If that's more like once every five games Kagi is a bit of a waste.

I missed the memo stating aggressive, math-wing, meta-lobotomized competitive play was the only way to play the game.

I'm not arguing anything you're saying, I'm just saying TIE Advanced makes target locks the new orange, and Kagi wears them so fashion.

Expert Handling, Countermeasures, Kagi, and Jendon *will* see more play than they did previously.

I find the notion that we should be ignoring the little toys that don't make top cut embarrassing.

Lady, you've obviously got some sort of axe to grind and I'm not sure what I did to trigger it.

Kagi is a counter, if there's nothing to counter he's not even a fun toy. That's got nothing to do with "aggressive, math-wing, meta-lobotomized competitive play". Kagi will probably see more play when the Advaced drops. I'm doubting that it will be a big enough increase in usage that anyone that doesn't track tournament stats will really notice unless one of the people you frequently play decides to put Kagi on the table. If they do, it's probably because they are reacting to their local meta (which may consist entirely of just you running an ATC heavy list) and not because Kagi looks super fun.

What is it with guys on forums boiling down everything a woman says as axes to grind, negativity, and other accusations? Have some respect please.

i'm sure it has nothing to do with the fact that what you wrote would come off as rude from anyone else. derpy derp

Kagi will do a great job vs. TIE Advanced squads because the Adv TC needs to target the space cow before it can target your real threats.

I think we will see more of Jendon and Kagi when the raider hits.

Unless you run him naked, Kagi is going to make up a third of your list. The Advanced will need to be dominating the meta for Kagi to be anything but a very niche choice.

By all means, continue to fly turrets and aces, derpy derp derp derp.

Huh? I'm not exactly sure what you're going on about. I don't know how you got "fly turrets and aces" out of "I don't think Kagi will be popular unless ATC Advanced's become a big problem".

At a third of your list Kagi is an ace. Forcing someone to shoot at an expensive target instead of another expensive target or at some squishy mook isn't exactly forcing a hard choice. Kagi only makes a difference when your enemy needs to target lock to be effective, doesn't have FCS, and doesn't want to kill Kagi. That means you're paying 6 points to for your list to have some extra protection against a few particular ships. If you aren't bumping into lists that use those ships very frequently those six points are better spent on things other than having a PS8 shuttle instead of one at PS2. If every other list you hit has Vader and Juno chewing up your Interceptors bringing Kagi might make sense. If that's more like once every five games Kagi is a bit of a waste.

I missed the memo stating aggressive, math-wing, meta-lobotomized competitive play was the only way to play the game.

I'm not arguing anything you're saying, I'm just saying TIE Advanced makes target locks the new orange, and Kagi wears them so fashion.

Expert Handling, Countermeasures, Kagi, and Jendon *will* see more play than they did previously.

I find the notion that we should be ignoring the little toys that don't make top cut embarrassing.

Lady, you've obviously got some sort of axe to grind and I'm not sure what I did to trigger it.

Kagi is a counter, if there's nothing to counter he's not even a fun toy. That's got nothing to do with "aggressive, math-wing, meta-lobotomized competitive play". Kagi will probably see more play when the Advaced drops. I'm doubting that it will be a big enough increase in usage that anyone that doesn't track tournament stats will really notice unless one of the people you frequently play decides to put Kagi on the table. If they do, it's probably because they are reacting to their local meta (which may consist entirely of just you running an ATC heavy list) and not because Kagi looks super fun.

What is it with guys on forums boiling down everything a woman says as axes to grind, negativity, and other accusations? Have some respect please.

So I can't call you out for your behavior because you're female? You've been rude and condescending and instead of engaging in a discussion on why I might be wrong you toss out a rant that is only tangentially related to the subject at hand. This has nothing to do with you being a woman, it has to do with you acting like a jerk.

I've gotten some good play out of Kagi recently.

In all, I've played 10 games with Kagi and am 9-1, so I feel like I have a good handle on what to do with him (my one loss was to one of my first games ever against Fat Han before autothrusters and it came down to the last hull on Han, maybe even time at the end).

Kagi is a niche pilot in my use of him (I've exclusively flown him with Jax and Fel) and I've recently been flying him with Mara Jade as crew (6-0) where I had only flown him naked before. I do think he would pair well as the third ship in other elite builds as well, though.

With Jax and Fel (and maybe a couple of other combos) he is the low priority but "easy" target. Deployment is key, as is the approach. Commit to the interceptors and Kagi w/Mara get behind you and the interceptors can easily slip away. Commit to Kagi and Jax and Fel are going to hit pretty hard and are out of danger themselves early and it's usually long enough to thin out the enemy squadron enough for them to maneuver comfortably.

Kagi's PS 8 works well with Mara since he can often get at R1 and stay there, not to mention the big base. His high PS means a ship he is in R1 of moves first and has a stress, so it moves away and he moves close again. An OGP, although much cheaper, would usually move and bump then the enemy ship would move away from R1. If a target gets pinned by Kagi+Mara, it takes a couple of turns at least for them to get away and Jax and Fel can usually easily clean it up with Kagi adding his own guns if positioned well, though I'm fine if he maintains the pressure either through bumping or simply by proximity even if it doesn't mean a shot for him. It's an excellent herding build and most games he survives by turn three it's a quick route.

This of course is without the synergy where an opponent that sees Jax wants to TL, but has to do so with Kagi, so again his positioning is important. Allowing an opponent to TL and then shoot him doesn't have much of a benefit. Mara Jade again helps with that -- R1 is a high risk location for the opponent (Kagi shoots at a high PS and the stress is a risk if Kagi).

There have been games where I've lost Kagi R2 because I just couldn't escape focus fire, but in those situations, as I mentioned above, Fel and Jax are getting free shots and have superior positioning that won the game later, but it was due/thanks to an all-in on Kagi. I've usually got an enemy ship or two down and it becomes hard for them to pin down the interceptors. These are by far the more challenging games, though as the enemy also is relieved of the pressure that Kagi can put on them and there's a lot of dancing around...

Kagi is solid.

PS8 on a shuttle is relevant and useful in a wide variety of situations.

When ever i see a thread title starting "is it just me", is it just me, or does anybody else know that it's going to be about a ship that isn't being used in top 8 lists.

I missed the memo stating aggressive, math-wing, meta-lobotomized competitive play was the only way to play the game.

It's over here: https://community.fantasyflightgames.com/index.php?/topic/176115-mathwing-killing-diversity-in-the-game-since-2014/

Just played against a list with 3 Lambdas this afternoon (3xOGP, 1 with Vader, accompanied by Soontir+PtL+AT+Title+TC). That's my Lambda quota reached for this season.