Soontir and Multiple Stress

By Dopey, in X-Wing Rules Questions

Can Soontir receive a focus token from multiple stress? Once he performs his pilot ability once, can he do it again? Does this fall under the "once per turn" rule?

For example:

Soontir moves, boosts, PTL, evade, receive a focus

B-Wing with Tactician shoots at Soontir and gives him another stress. Does he get another focus token?

thanks in advance.

You can do it any time you get a stress token.

So in your above example yes, he'd get 2 focus tokens with the 2 stress tokens.

What wouldn't work, in theory at least, is if you had an effect that gave you more than one stress at a time. Say an upgrade that gave the target ship 2 stress, in that case he'd only get 1 focus token, I think.

Edit: thinking about it Soontir says when he gets a stress token, not that he gets a focus token for every stress token he gets. So this should fall under the once per effect rule.

Edited by VanorDM

Can Soontir receive a focus token from multiple stress? Once he performs his pilot ability once, can he do it again? Does this fall under the "once per turn" rule?

There is no 'one per turn' rule, its actually once per opportunity. Thus each time Soontir receives a stress, there is an opportunity to trigger his pilot ability. Thus he can trigger his ability once per stress token he receives.

In your example, when Soontir receives his stress from using PTL, that offers an opportunity to trigger his pilot ability. During the combat phase when the B-Wing shoots at you at range two, you immediately receive a stress token. When you receive this token, it generates another opportunity to trigger Soontir's pilot ability. So yes, here you end up with 2 stress and 2 free focus tokens. Importantly, Tactician (and rebel captive) trigger before dice are rolled, so the focus Soontir generates from either of these upgrades is available immediately for use during the attack. Winner!

Can Soontir receive a focus token from multiple stress? Once he performs his pilot ability once, can he do it again? Does this fall under the "once per turn" rule?

There is no 'one per turn' rule, its actually once per opportunity. Thus each time Soontir receives a stress, there is an opportunity to trigger his pilot ability. Thus he can trigger his ability once per stress token he receives.

In your example, when Soontir receives his stress from using PTL, that offers an opportunity to trigger his pilot ability. During the combat phase when the B-Wing shoots at you at range two, you immediately receive a stress token. When you receive this token, it generates another opportunity to trigger Soontir's pilot ability. So yes, here you end up with 2 stress and 2 free focus tokens. Importantly, Tactician (and rebel captive) trigger before dice are rolled, so the focus Soontir generates from either of these upgrades is available immediately for use during the attack. Winner!

Since when does Tactician trigger before dice roll? It specifically reads:

After you perform an attack against a ship inside your firing arc at Range 2, that ship receives 1 stress token

Now Rebel Captive and R3-A2 both trigger on declaration of target which is different. So Soontir would if attacking a Rebel Captive have the Focus token for dice modification. When defending against R3-A2 would also have the Focus token for dice modification. Not with tactician though,

Fel gains a Stress token he gets a Focus token to go along with it.

Just keep in mind that he can still only shed one Stress token each time he takes a green maneuver. Stress tokens will remain turn after turn until removed but the Focus is gone at the end of the current turn. Even with a green maneuver going into a round with multiple Stress tokens can leave Fel without the ability to perform actions on his own.

Can Soontir receive a focus token from multiple stress? Once he performs his pilot ability once, can he do it again? Does this fall under the "once per turn" rule?

There is no 'one per turn' rule, its actually once per opportunity. Thus each time Soontir receives a stress, there is an opportunity to trigger his pilot ability. Thus he can trigger his ability once per stress token he receives.

In your example, when Soontir receives his stress from using PTL, that offers an opportunity to trigger his pilot ability. During the combat phase when the B-Wing shoots at you at range two, you immediately receive a stress token. When you receive this token, it generates another opportunity to trigger Soontir's pilot ability. So yes, here you end up with 2 stress and 2 free focus tokens. Importantly, Tactician (and rebel captive) trigger before dice are rolled, so the focus Soontir generates from either of these upgrades is available immediately for use during the attack. Winner!

Since when does Tactician trigger before dice roll? It specifically reads:

After you perform an attack against a ship inside your firing arc at Range 2, that ship receives 1 stress token

Now Rebel Captive and R3-A2 both trigger on declaration of target which is different. So Soontir would if attacking a Rebel Captive have the Focus token for dice modification. When defending against R3-A2 would also have the Focus token for dice modification. Not with tactician though,

My bad, I thought tactician read 'when you declare a target...' **** sneaky work posts, get me every time!

Heh!

You can do it any time you get a stress token.

So in your above example yes, he'd get 2 focus tokens with the 2 stress tokens.

What wouldn't work, in theory at least, is if you had an effect that gave you more than one stress at a time. Say an upgrade that gave the target ship 2 stress, in that case he'd only get 1 focus token, I think.

Edit: thinking about it Soontir says when he gets a stress token, not that he gets a focus token for every stress token he gets. So this should fall under the once per effect rule.

It neither says "When you recieve at least one stress token". It can be interpreted both ways.

It neither says "When you recieve at least one stress token". It can be interpreted both ways.

The wording seems to say that if you could get more than one at a time, you would only get 1 focus. At least one would be satisfied with 1 or 15, as long as it came from the same opportunity.

It doesn't say When you receive at least one stress token you get one focus token per stress token."

Of course this is completely academic because there's no way that I know of to get 2 stress from a single opportunity. Even with BTL-4A and a stress bot, you still have 2 attacks so two opportunities.

It neither says "When you recieve at least one stress token". It can be interpreted both ways.

The wording seems to say that if you could get more than one at a time, you would only get 1 focus. At least one would be satisfied with 1 or 15, as long as it came from the same opportunity.

It doesn't say When you receive at least one stress token you get one focus token per stress token."

Of course this is completely academic because there's no way that I know of to get 2 stress from a single opportunity. Even with BTL-4A and a stress bot, you still have 2 attacks so two opportunities.

Jam action on the Transport gives 2. But says assign tokens till the target has 2.

Flechette Torpedo & Tactician? Since both activate after the attack?

Overlap a debris token and take the stress crit?

Edited by Bilisknir

Jam action on the Transport gives 2. But says assign tokens till the target has 2.

That one may do it. I think the wording is done so that if a ship already had a stress, it doesn't end up with 3.

Flechette Torpedo & Tactician? Since both activate after the attack?

No because the opportunity comes from the upgrade itself, not just the attack. So you'd get one from Flechette Torpedo and one from Tactician.

Overlap a debris token and take the stress crit?

Same as above, two different effects so two different opportunities.

A ship with multiple Tacticians?

A ship with multiple Tacticians?

That would do it, but if one attack presents an opportunity for each Tactician to trigger (it does), each stress token gives Soontir a chance to use his ability as well. Each token is an "opportunity."

A ship with multiple Tacticians?

That would do it, but if one attack presents an opportunity for each Tactician to trigger (it does), each stress token gives Soontir a chance to use his ability as well. Each token is an "opportunity."

Which is why you take two tacticians and gunner, and swamp him with four stress! So what if he has four focuses that turn?

Jam action on the Transport gives 2. But says assign tokens till the target has 2.

That one may do it. I think the wording is done so that if a ship already had a stress, it doesn't end up with 3.

But from the same wording, it seems that those stress tokens are assigned one by one, totalizing each time you add one in order to check "if sum = 2, then stop".

The wording also messes with Yorr's ability, since if he wanted to, he also could intercept those stress tokens, again one by one. From the practical point, it would be pointless, since in that case Yorr would fill its 'reserve' and you would still keep adding tokens to Soontir until he had a total of 2, but interesting nevertheless for the academic discussion.

In any case, I think this question is worthy of a Dev's answer.