R5 Astromech has never had the "Action:" header. So perhaps rather than launching into knee-jerk internet groupthink, people should actually engage the substance of the article.

I also find it funny that the title of this thread which critiques the image typo (which is basically a tradition in FFG articles) warns us that Howlrunner can take Advanced cloaking "decide."

Or maybe you can read the whole thread? That was put to bed on the 1st page.

You're right, I would then have gained such insightful thoughts as "those cards still suck anyways."

Sigh.

Have you ever tried Howlrunner + Elu and Yorr nearby? Have you?

I'm fairly certain that doesn't work.

I think you are right, Elusiveness essentially has stress as a cost, if the cost is not paid, the effect won't happen (just paraphrasing the rule here). i think here are a number of cards like this, but PtL's stress is an effect so doesn't care if Yorr steals it or not.

As for R4-D6 her big problem is doing nothing to the crits. If it affected crits and hits it would be ok, and quite usable. The inherent problem being this is more effective versus big attacks, but big attacks roll more dice and more dice equals more potential crits.

Have you ever tried Howlrunner + Elu and Yorr nearby? Have you?

I'm fairly certain that doesn't work.

I think you are right, Elusiveness essentially has stress as a cost, if the cost is not paid, the effect won't happen (just paraphrasing the rule here). i think here are a number of cards like this, but PtL's stress is an effect so doesn't care if Yorr steals it or not.

The FAQ calls out Soontir Fel and Opportunist specifically but those both read the same way that Elusiveness does.

Captain Yorr

If, through his pilot ability, Captain Yorr intercepts a stress token that is part of the cost of triggering an ability on another ship (such as Soontir Fel or Opportunist), that ability’s effect does not resolve. If Captain Yorr intercepts a stress token that was the result of an ability (such as Push the Limit), that ability resolves, then Yorr receives the stress token.

I fear you are right. Maybe this would be worth an entry of its own in the FAQ.

This renders Elusivenes completely and utterly useless... (for the Empire)

... on the other Hand:

"The first is Jek Porkins , that oft-neglected X-wing pilot who can immediately remove any stress tokens he receives, sometimes with no penalty at all."

Shouldn't this also apply with Porkins? If he immediately removes stress there is no stress token to trigger the effect of card texts with "... you may receive 1 stress token to ..."; which would affect Elusiveness and Opportunist ...

... on the other Hand:

"The first is Jek Porkins , that oft-neglected X-wing pilot who can immediately remove any stress tokens he receives, sometimes with no penalty at all."

Shouldn't this also apply with Porkins? If he immediately removes stress there is no stress token to trigger the effect of card texts with "... you may receive 1 stress token to ..."; which would affect Elusiveness and Opportunist ...

I think you're right. Porkin's ability would keep the beneficial effect of Elusiveness from happening.

... and this would render Elusiveness completely and utterly useless for the Rebels, too.

It would be cooler if it would work the other way around and you would actually need a stress token to trigger the effect of this card.

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Tycho with PTL and Elusiveness would go nuts ^^

There is that and the fact that Porkins using elusiveness is attempting to prevent damage by risking taking damage. I don't think the odds of are very good if I remember rightly. I believe there are cases where you actually take more damage by using elusiveness.

How about this possible imperial candidate for Elusiveness:

"Wampa"

Tie Fighter

PS 7

"When attacking, for each stress token assigned to your ship roll 1 additional attack die, then discard all stress tokens from your ship"

EPT

17 Points

Edit:

Nevermind. You cannot collect stress with Elusiviness.

PTL would be better in any case with this pilot.....

So instead of revealing more wave seven news we get this, colour me unimpressed.

Agreed. Elusiveness is - currently - pretty useless if (as reading the cards) Porkins' ability triggers too fast for the rest of the Elusiveness card to occur.

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Agreed. Elusiveness is - currently - pretty useless.

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It's not even that hot on soontir who gets a focus out of it, way less useful than PTL which lets you turtle up against more than one hit.

Agreed. Elusiveness is - currently - pretty useless if (as reading the cards) Porkins' ability triggers too fast for the rest of the Elusiveness card to occur.

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This would mean Opportunist would not work with Porkins either.

Agreed. Elusiveness is - currently - pretty useless.

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It's not even that hot on soontir who gets a focus out of it, way less useful than PTL which lets you turtle up against more than one hit.

You would need a pilot which ability is it to treat stress tokens like focus tokens....

May crits from Manglers be re-rolled through Elusiveness?

I've got an article m working on that hopefully puts a new spin on upgrades. It's not that elusiveness can't be worth it, because it can. It's that elusiveness lends itself to niche builds.

Can't trumps can

I am very interested about your findings, Ravncat ^^

May crits from Manglers be re-rolled through Elusiveness?

No, the defender modifies attack dice first, so Elusiveness triggers prior to Mangler modifying the dice. Elusiveness could prevent Mangler from having a hit to convert to a crit though (if you are lucky).

May crits from Manglers be re-rolled through Elusiveness?

No, the defender modifies attack dice first, so Elusiveness triggers prior to Mangler modifying the dice. Elusiveness could prevent Mangler from having a hit to convert to a crit though (if you are lucky).

****! Its even useless against Manglers. I almost got an Image in my head with Black Squadron Pilots + Elusiveness shaking Mangler crits off ...

... I give up

Hold up a second- Elusiveness is:

When defending, you may recieve 1 stress token to choose 1 attack die...

and then we have Porkins:

When you recieve a stress token, you may remove it and...

Does this not suggest, even by the tightest possible interpretation, that the sequence of events (remember, we can nest our abilities) is: Be attacked, recieve stress to choose attack die for reroll, trigger pilot ability because stress has been recieved, remove stress?

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Elusiveness is a great card (I find it to be niche at best) but it does appear to have the synergy the author is suggesting.

....Hmmm. Actually, I that may be right. The example usually pointed at is Yorr, but with Yorr you never receive the stress token at all.

Welcome to your 1st post.

I guess its possible, because it actually is in the official article ... but in the end, the article was wrong about which upgrades Howlrunner can take (at least the image was wrong) and now I woudn't be surprised if there will be further chances incoming.

Where are the hard facts? Who is telling us the truth?

An why do I still concern about Elusiveness - since its clear now that its a rebel upgrade card, because its useless

....Hmmm. Actually, I that may be right. The example usually pointed at is Yorr, but with Yorr you never receive the stress token at all.

So it works because Porkins gets it, even if it is discarded as soon at it is assigned? It don't have to linger?

Elusiveness, not even once.

....Hmmm. Actually, I that may be right. The example usually pointed at is Yorr, but with Yorr you never receive the stress token at all.

So it works because Porkins gets it, even if it is discarded as soon at it is assigned? It don't have to linger?

Hmmmm... In any event Porkins is taking a 3/8 chance at a second damage for a 3/8 chance at getting an Evade.