Howdy all, I've been out of the forums except for quick glances about since the game came out so this may have already been discussed, apologies if so. What is the general consensus about what is allowed for pre-measuring and what is not? I understand that the tournament rules ban triangulation, but what does that mean really? What it obviously means is that you can't have two rulers out at once. Several times however I've had situations where it was advantageous for myself or an opponent measure to range from a ship/squadron, and then play with the maneuver to be just in/out of the desired range. This seems like triangulation to me even if two rulers are never on the board at once. After some 20 or so games thus far, I'm playing so that you can measure from your own ships whenever you want, but never from an opponents until your ship/squadron is placed in it's final position. What is the general consensus on this? Also in rereading the rules it seems one could argue that the maneuver tool can be manipulated until it is placed on the board, but also as though it can be manipulated while on the board up until it is locked into the ship itself. Which is correct? Citations to an official document in answers would be stellar.

Howdy all, I've been out of the forums except for quick glances about since the game came out so this may have already been discussed, apologies if so. What is the general consensus about what is allowed for pre-measuring and what is not? I understand that the tournament rules ban triangulation, but what does that mean really? What it obviously means is that you can't have two rulers out at once. Several times however I've had situations where it was advantageous for myself or an opponent measure to range from a ship/squadron, and then play with the maneuver to be just in/out of the desired range. This seems like triangulation to me even if two rulers are never on the board at once. After some 20 or so games thus far, I'm playing so that you can measure from your own ships whenever you want, but never from an opponents until your ship/squadron is placed in it's final position. What is the general consensus on this? Also in rereading the rules it seems one could argue that the maneuver tool can be manipulated until it is placed on the board, but also as though it can be manipulated while on the board up until it is locked into the ship itself. Which is correct? Citations to an official document in answers would be stellar.

The rules are pretty clear about pre-measuring. To sum it up:

Exactly one range stick can be used to measure things at any point during the game. In addition, during the 'plot course' step of the ship movement phase, the maneuvering tool can be manipulated freely and placed anywhere on the table until it touches the notch on the ship's base. At that point you are no longer allowed to adjust the tool.

Anything further than stated above is technically against the rules.

References: RR pg 9, "premeasuring" and the official tournament rules.

The rules would freely allow you to measure range to another ship, and then utilize the information just gained to plot a course keeping you at your preferred distance.

Howdy all, I've been out of the forums except for quick glances about since the game came out so this may have already been discussed, apologies if so. What is the general consensus about what is allowed for pre-measuring and what is not? I understand that the tournament rules ban triangulation, but what does that mean really? What it obviously means is that you can't have two rulers out at once. Several times however I've had situations where it was advantageous for myself or an opponent measure to range from a ship/squadron, and then play with the maneuver to be just in/out of the desired range. This seems like triangulation to me even if two rulers are never on the board at once. After some 20 or so games thus far, I'm playing so that you can measure from your own ships whenever you want, but never from an opponents until your ship/squadron is placed in it's final position. What is the general consensus on this? Also in rereading the rules it seems one could argue that the maneuver tool can be manipulated until it is placed on the board, but also as though it can be manipulated while on the board up until it is locked into the ship itself. Which is correct? Citations to an official document in answers would be stellar.

The rules are pretty clear about pre-measuring. To sum it up:

Exactly one range stick can be used to measure things at any point during the game. In addition, during the 'plot course' step of the ship movement phase, the maneuvering tool can be manipulated freely and placed anywhere on the table until it touches the notch on the ship's base. At that point you are no longer allowed to adjust the tool.

Anything further than stated above is technically against the rules.

References: RR pg 9, "premeasuring" and the official tournament rules.

Also, you can not use the movement tool un-notched and then use the range finder to see if a ship is or isn't within firing distance. Basically you can't pre-measure both movement and range.

The rules would freely allow you to measure range to another ship, and then utilize the information just gained to plot a course keeping you at your preferred distance.

It's almost like capitol ships come with high tech sensor suites that give that kind of information.

Fair enough, so it sounds like the more liberal interpretation of anything goes until two rulers touch the board is in order. Kind of disappointing since I feel like that requires less skill, but oh well.

Fair enough, so it sounds like the more liberal interpretation of anything goes until two rulers touch the board is in order. Kind of disappointing since I feel like that requires less skill, but oh well.

Armada is about a different set of skills than X-wing. In X-wing spatial reasoning is a key skill. In Armada you're meant to be exerting more grand strategy, and with greater precision. That's why there are no hidden dials. No guessing games about placement.

We're working different brain bits so that X-wing and Armada feel completwly seperate.

I don't the use of two range rulers is restricted outside tournament play. This idea seems to have popularity, but the evidence is lacking. The Rr passage about only using "the range ruler" is taken to mean a single range ruler. I think the usage is just meant to clarify that only that piece of equipment can be used, instead of using other things like a tape measure. If they meant only one range ruler, i believe they are precise enough to have said "a single range ruler". Further more, linguistically, in a game between two people, each have a range ruler. Each of these would qualify a "the" range ruler, or they would be useless. Therefore, each of them is "the range ruler"

Finally, in the tournament rules regarding pre measurement, they quote the rules concerning the maneuver template. This indicates, they are the same in casual and tournament play. However, for range, they make a new statement about not using two or triangulating. If the original RR rule meant this, then they would have quoted it like they did the section for maneuver.

I don't the use of two range rulers is restricted outside tournament play. This idea seems to have popularity, but the evidence is lacking. The Rr passage about only using "the range ruler" is taken to mean a single range ruler. I think the usage is just meant to clarify that only that piece of equipment can be used, instead of using other things like a tape measure. If they meant only one range ruler, i believe they are precise enough to have said "a single range ruler". Further more, linguistically, in a game between two people, each have a range ruler. Each of these would qualify a "the" range ruler, or they would be useless. Therefore, each of them is "the range ruler"

Finally, in the tournament rules regarding pre measurement, they quote the rules concerning the maneuver template. This indicates, they are the same in casual and tournament play. However, for range, they make a new statement about not using two or triangulating. If the original RR rule meant this, then they would have quoted it like they did the section for maneuver.

If you could use chain multiple range rulers, then why prohibit other tools like tape measures? The outcome would be the same. In this case, it would just read "player can pre-measure at any time." I believe RAW prohibits this in both tournaments and casual play.

Of course, in casual play, if both players are cool with it, then whatever.

Other tools could easily give advantage only to certain builds (like a template made with some certain specific purpose like chaining X monement with X range. Even a normal tape measure allows easier spatial recognition since it uses standard and familiar units, unlike the asymmetric ranfe rule. There are many reasons to restrict measurement to this one type of tool.

Do you have explanations for the other things i mentioned? I think each of them makes the point valid, especially the differences in the tourney sheet.