To LGS or not to LGS? That is the question.

By Mikael Hasselstein, in Star Wars: Armada

I had someone approach me at the FLGS I run the weekly drop-in from, giving me a tip that amazon had a sale on x-wing products. That was nice of him. I posted it on the Facebook group and was instantly jumped on by several members passive aggressively suggesting we should only buy from LGS.

I have zero respect for turning consumer awareness into an ethics discussion. There is absolutely nothing unethical about a consumer researching the product and making choices based on the best pricing available. How completely consumed in the bubble of rich white privilege do you have to be to think that some absurd sense of honour and loyalty should come before the consumer's monthly family budget. To suggest that a consumer is being unethical for making intelligent choices to ensure their monthly family budget doesn't break because of a stupid little hobby borders on the sociopathic, in my honest and earnest opinion.

I now feel compelled to reiterate that I run the weekly drop-in for my FLGS. I promote them, I purchase gift cards for prizing out of my own pocket in order to grow and ensure the LGS is full of eager x-wing shoppers and I do it for absolutely nothing: I get no cut, no kick back, and I'm not on staff. No discount either. None is expected, most notably. I do it because I do it. If I stop, I stop. That is my choice.

My purchases are spread based on pricing, availability, convenience, and an attempt to foster community, among several FLGS, used market, and occasionally online if the deal offsets shipping/exchange rate.

How I make my purchases, how anyone makes their purchases is absolutely none of another person's business and should not at all be subject to naive concepts of good and evil. It all comes out in the wash, I assure you.

And again, if everyone were like you, you wouldn't have an LGS to run events at... How is this still hard to understand? It's not about honor... Please... It's about being smart enough to see the bigger picture, than saving $2-$3...

If everyone were as involved in promoting their FLGS and the product at large online as I am, the community would be much larger.

I'm flat out telling you you're wrong.

So because you run events you're exempt from buying there? Again, if all their customers shopped online, you wouldn't have an LGS, period. Keep makig excuses for being selfish, but it's still an excuse.

You did not read my post so my part in this discussion is over. I clearly state that not only do I make purchases in my LGS, I make purchases in several LGS, and online.

Further - I purchase gift cards from my FLGS to give away as free prizes for the events that I'm running every.single.week at the venue.

When someone has a jazz list they want to test but they need another Y-Wing, they will buy it from the wall behind them rather than pricing it online. They will also be interested in buying other products, paints, brushes, when we include pimpin' rides in our events and they'll be raising their hands to buy a t-shirt for the place that gives them a chance to play with an average dozen other players every Monday.

The world isn't one of absolutes - there's nothing wrong with some people picking up deals online while others buy from LGS. It all comes out in the wash!

I had someone approach me at the FLGS I run the weekly drop-in from, giving me a tip that amazon had a sale on x-wing products. That was nice of him. I posted it on the Facebook group and was instantly jumped on by several members passive aggressively suggesting we should only buy from LGS.

I have zero respect for turning consumer awareness into an ethics discussion. There is absolutely nothing unethical about a consumer researching the product and making choices based on the best pricing available. How completely consumed in the bubble of rich white privilege do you have to be to think that some absurd sense of honour and loyalty should come before the consumer's monthly family budget. To suggest that a consumer is being unethical for making intelligent choices to ensure their monthly family budget doesn't break because of a stupid little hobby borders on the sociopathic, in my honest and earnest opinion.

I now feel compelled to reiterate that I run the weekly drop-in for my FLGS. I promote them, I purchase gift cards for prizing out of my own pocket in order to grow and ensure the LGS is full of eager x-wing shoppers and I do it for absolutely nothing: I get no cut, no kick back, and I'm not on staff. No discount either. None is expected, most notably. I do it because I do it. If I stop, I stop. That is my choice.

My purchases are spread based on pricing, availability, convenience, and an attempt to foster community, among several FLGS, used market, and occasionally online if the deal offsets shipping/exchange rate.

How I make my purchases, how anyone makes their purchases is absolutely none of another person's business and should not at all be subject to naive concepts of good and evil. It all comes out in the wash, I assure you.

And again, if everyone were like you, you wouldn't have an LGS to run events at... How is this still hard to understand? It's not about honor... Please... It's about being smart enough to see the bigger picture, than saving $2-$3...

If everyone were as involved in promoting their FLGS and the product at large online as I am, the community would be much larger.

I'm flat out telling you you're wrong.

So because you run events you're exempt from buying there? Again, if all their customers shopped online, you wouldn't have an LGS, period. Keep makig excuses for being selfish, but it's still an excuse.

You did not read my post so my part in this discussion is over. I clearly state that not only do I make purchases in my LGS, I make purchases in several LGS, and online.

Further - I purchase gift cards from my FLGS to give away as free prizes for the events that I'm running every.single.week at the venue.

When someone has a jazz list they want to test but they need another Y-Wing, they will buy it from the wall behind them rather than pricing it online. They will also be interested in buying other products, paints, brushes, when we include pimpin' rides in our events and they'll be raising their hands to buy a t-shirt for the place that gives them a chance to play with an average dozen other players every Monday.

The world isn't one of absolutes - there's nothing wrong with some people picking up deals online while others buy from LGS. It all comes out in the wash!

larger picture... "Someone will pick up my slack". I'm done wasting my time though, no one else wants to engage you people in this post, and I have better things to do.

You're going to do what's in YOUR best interest and some of us are going to do what's in our community's best interest. Arguing on an Internet forum probably isn't going to change either side's opinion.

Edited by NeverTellMeTheOdds

I applaud Bubble's efforts. I wish there were more like her that were positive influences in FLGS.

I actually love buying from my FLGS. I split my money between them and the larger e-tailers, but having the ability to INSPECT my product (super relevant with X-wing and Armada - I hate badly put together models or crap paint jobs). That alone helps me deal with the generally worse deal I'm going to get.

My area has gone through cycles of FLGS's as well. We had a few when i was younger, and overnight they all disappeared. I stopped hobbying for awhile, and stopped paying attention. Few years later, I start to get back into it - and FLGS's have popped up all over the area. I'm guessing most areas have seen this trend - looks like a lot of people started shifting away from video games as their only hobby/game activity. I do whatever I can to help support my local store - they are just down the street, have a huge space, and sell beer on tap. They also have a digital presence, so they seem to be holding up. I definitely wouldn't open a hobby shop to make money, and I'd definitely ensure I would be able to sell online in addition to having a physical shop. I'm probably a fringe case considering how much money I throw down on my games (god I love not having kids and working at home with my wife), but I love to buy my models the day they are released. Generally, I'll have some pre-order in addition at Miniaturemarket or coolstuffinc, but I love to get them right away.

I don't think I've added much to the discussion, but the bottom line is to basically do what you can. If you can, throw some money at the place you spend time. Recognize that it may not be there if you don't. At the least, recognize that other people will see it as a negative quality if you're dedicated to getting your toys at the cheapest price always - you may have a tougher time making dedicated gaming buddies.

First, people should stop to reply to NeverTellMeTheOdds, he was the one insulting people in the last topic which made it close.

Second,

I've never really felt that there's any moral component to this argument. As far as I'm concerned it is simply a practical argument. Like any other store, if you don't spend money there, it will go away. If this dosn't trouble you, then don't worry about it. Just make sure that you consider all the ramifications.

Personally, if the LGS close, knowing how ressourceful our community is, we would find another place to play. There is a tons of public places to play in Quebec City, the first one that come up to my mind being the university.

For the amount of money we would save we could rent a room and still save money.

FLGS CAN compete without needing charity and yah it kinda is charity.

If someguy with a Amazon Prime account can make a sale in your own store, the issue is not loyality, the real issue is the store not wanting that money very much.

I had someone approach me at the FLGS I run the weekly drop-in from, giving me a tip that amazon had a sale on x-wing products. That was nice of him. I posted it on the Facebook group and was instantly jumped on by several members passive aggressively suggesting we should only buy from LGS.

I have zero respect for turning consumer awareness into an ethics discussion. There is absolutely nothing unethical about a consumer researching the product and making choices based on the best pricing available. How completely consumed in the bubble of rich white privilege do you have to be to think that some absurd sense of honour and loyalty should come before the consumer's monthly family budget. To suggest that a consumer is being unethical for making intelligent choices to ensure their monthly family budget doesn't break because of a stupid little hobby borders on the sociopathic, in my honest and earnest opinion.

I now feel compelled to reiterate that I run the weekly drop-in for my FLGS. I promote them, I purchase gift cards for prizing out of my own pocket in order to grow and ensure the LGS is full of eager x-wing shoppers and I do it for absolutely nothing: I get no cut, no kick back, and I'm not on staff. No discount either. None is expected, most notably. I do it because I do it. If I stop, I stop. That is my choice.

My purchases are spread based on pricing, availability, convenience, and an attempt to foster community, among several FLGS, used market, and occasionally online if the deal offsets shipping/exchange rate.

How I make my purchases, how anyone makes their purchases is absolutely none of another person's business and should not at all be subject to naive concepts of good and evil. It all comes out in the wash, I assure you.

And again, if everyone were like you, you wouldn't have an LGS to run events at... How is this still hard to understand? It's not about honor... Please... It's about being smart enough to see the bigger picture, than saving $2-$3...

If everyone were as involved in promoting their FLGS and the product at large online as I am, the community would be much larger.

I'm flat out telling you you're wrong.

So because you run events you're exempt from buying there? Again, if all their customers shopped online, you wouldn't have an LGS, period. Keep makig excuses for being selfish, but it's still an excuse.

You did not read my post so my part in this discussion is over. I clearly state that not only do I make purchases in my LGS, I make purchases in several LGS, and online.

Further - I purchase gift cards from my FLGS to give away as free prizes for the events that I'm running every.single.week at the venue.

When someone has a jazz list they want to test but they need another Y-Wing, they will buy it from the wall behind them rather than pricing it online. They will also be interested in buying other products, paints, brushes, when we include pimpin' rides in our events and they'll be raising their hands to buy a t-shirt for the place that gives them a chance to play with an average dozen other players every Monday.

The world isn't one of absolutes - there's nothing wrong with some people picking up deals online while others buy from LGS. It all comes out in the wash!

Again more excuses that don't see the

larger picture... "Someone will pick up my slack". I'm done wasting my time though, no one else wants to engage you people in this post, and I have better things to do.

You're going to do what's in YOUR best interest and some of us are going to do what's in our community's best interest. Arguing on an Internet forum probably isn't going to change either side's opinion.

I'm only replying again to point out isn't this the weirdest conversation? He's not reading anything people are saying and making stuff up.

Just taking a moment to laugh at this guy. A little laughter to break up the monotony of the work day. ^___^

So where did the discussion land on the subject of LGS's charging table time for games that don't sell at that LGS?

Essentially the issue is $$$$$$. A Brick and Mortar (those Brits and their terms :)) has Employees that deserve a livable wage, Rent, Electricity on top of the Taxes they pay for the Business. That's a lot of overhead. So are you leaching off a store or not. It's not a Moral question (unless your religion is money) but an Ethical question. Most Restaurants will not give out free water or allow people to use their restroom if they are not paying customers. And that is well within and perfectly ethical for them to do that because of the money and labor used to do those things.

Now we all know, or should know, we are not entitled to use your LGS's property for any reason but they allow you to use their tables for events and game night. Now to clear something up the $5 you pay for at tournaments never goes into the til at a LGS it almost always goes to paying for the Tournament Kit and Prizes given away. The Overhead all comes from sales and of that Overhead is not meet the store goes under.

So that is the Truth and you are to shop where you want but if you like a place to play are you going to help keep it open or do you expect the other "sucker" to do it.

I also am rather offense that anyone in their right mind would think paying for the full Price at a LGS is charity in anyway. That is just plain insulting to everyone involved.

I'm only replying again to point out isn't this the weirdest conversation? He's not reading anything people are saying and making stuff up.

Just taking a moment to laugh at this guy. A little laughter to break up the monotony of the work day. ^___^

I just put him on ignore.

I also am rather offense that anyone in their right mind would think paying for the full Price at a LGS is charity in anyway. That is just plain insulting to everyone involved.

Indeed... it's especially insulting to the person who pays full price...

I won't get into too much as we can bring this thread to a crashing halt, but I will say that no one "deserves" a "livable wage"... they can, however, earn that "livable wage".

If everyone were like him...

FYI... bubblepopmei is a she, not a he. :)

Whoops sorry Bubble. In my defense, the odds of any poster on a star wars miniature game forum being female is 3,720 to 1.

If everyone were like him...

FYI... bubblepopmei is a she, not a he. :)

Whoops sorry Bubble. In my defense, the odds of any poster on a star wars miniature game forum being female is 3,720 to 1.

lol...

Never tell me the odds

I also am rather offense that anyone in their right mind would think paying for the full Price at a LGS is charity in anyway. That is just plain insulting to everyone involved.

Indeed... it's especially insulting to the person who pays full price...

I won't get into too much as we can bring this thread to a crashing halt, but I will say that no one "deserves" a "livable wage"... they can, however, earn that "livable wage".

Essentially the issue is $$$$$$. A Brick and Mortar (those Brits and their terms :)) has Employees that deserve a livable wage, Rent, Electricity on top of the Taxes they pay for the Business. That's a lot of overhead.

I also am rather offense that anyone in their right mind would think paying for the full Price at a LGS is charity in anyway. That is just plain insulting to everyone involved.

Yah those are some real overhead costs, sounds like those FLGS need to grow with the times and stop exploiting there customers sense of loyalty.

To further your example that restaurant should maybe not think having a jukebox means they can charge 50% more for nachos and not go out of business.

Lets take armada for example. If amazon offers the game for $69 bucks and my FLGS is offering it for $99 then few people are going to buy it from them. A small hot gaming room, the chance to look before you purchase, costumer service, the getting it now factor, those are all things that would gladly make me shell out more then 69 bucks.

If my FLGS sold it for 79 bucks Amazon would be wondering how the hell it was going to compete with brick and mortar stores.

Also I am sorry you are offended by my use of the word charity, would me using the word donation make it better for you?

What do you call it when you give someone more money then has been earned because you want to help them out?

Why I love my FLGS.

Bought the core set and the employee ringing me up wanted to try it. Arranged to do the "learn to play" game on Saturday. I did 2 games with two employees, and all the while several people passed by and watched us. In the end both employees loved the game and now knew a product better.

If you want to build a community, go to your FLGS. If you just want to b3 greedy and save money, go online. But be prepared for the stigma when you wshow up with all your ill gotten gains

Why I love my FLGS.

Bought the core set and the employee ringing me up wanted to try it. Arranged to do the "learn to play" game on Saturday. I did 2 games with two employees, and all the while several people passed by and watched us. In the end both employees loved the game and now knew a product better.

[Excised needless rant]

Good for you! :)

Edited by DarthSidious
1. Spending 100 bucks on an item I can get for 70 is charity. Just because I get something I like doesn't change it. You can go give to nepal right now on bungie's site and get a tshirt. It's still charity. I don't say this with intent to demean the hard working LGS clerks and owners out there, who definetely provide a valuable service to the community and work hard for their living. But if I'm taking money out of my pocket to help you out, it's charity. If it helps, I do believe in giving to charity.

I guess that you have a rather broad definition of charity/donations that help you feel better about yourself. Since charity is tax deductible, do you declare it on your taxes? Last I checked FLGSs weren't 501©(3)s. Neither are the homeless people you'd give a dollar to, but they don't sell you anything in return.

2. The MSRP that most stores sell at is waaaaaay above cost. He could have cut into his margin a little for the sale if he wanted/thought to. He couls have said something like, "It's gonna cost you 70 plus whatever this guy wants for using his prime acct and you need to wait, I'll give it to you for 80 right now".

The MSRP is above the cost that (s)he pays FFG. But then there's the rent, the wages, the utilities, etc. that also need to come out of that MSRP-cost. Also, there's creating expectations. If (s)he says "I'll sell it to you for $70 now", then that customer is going to pretty much expect a 30% discount on everything, as will everyone in earshot.

I have zero respect for turning consumer awareness into an ethics discussion. There is absolutely nothing unethical about a consumer researching the product and making choices based on the best pricing available. How completely consumed in the bubble of rich white privilege do you have to be to think that some absurd sense of honour and loyalty should come before the consumer's monthly family budget. To suggest that a consumer is being unethical for making intelligent choices to ensure their monthly family budget doesn't break because of a stupid little hobby borders on the sociopathic, in my honest and earnest opinion.

Come on Bubbles, that's reducing the discussion to the absurd. Nobody on the support-your-FLGS side of the discussion here is suggesting that people should be choosing between the FLGS and their child's next meal. We're talking about the choice between the FLGS as the next cup of coffee from Starbucks.

We're also talking about a social norm of supporting the people who give you and us a place to play. Calling us sociopathic for suggesting this sounds rather ironic.

1. Spending 100 bucks on an item I can get for 70 is charity. Just because I get something I like doesn't change it. You can go give to nepal right now on bungie's site and get a tshirt. It's still charity. I don't say this with intent to demean the hard working LGS clerks and owners out there, who definetely provide a valuable service to the community and work hard for their living. But if I'm taking money out of my pocket to help you out, it's charity. If it helps, I do believe in giving to charity.

I guess that you have a rather broad definition of charity/donations that help you feel better about yourself. Since charity is tax deductible, do you declare it on your taxes? Last I checked FLGSs weren't 501©(3)s. Neither are the homeless people you'd give a dollar to, but they don't sell you anything in return.

I'm pretty sure charity is not dependent upon being tax deductible by the US federal government.

Let's see what a dictionary defines charity as:

Full Definition of CHARITY
1
: benevolent goodwill toward or love of humanity
2
a : generosity and helpfulness especially toward the needy or suffering; also : aid given to those in need
b : an institution engaged in relief of the poor
c : public provision for the relief of the needy
3
a : a gift for public benevolent purposes
b : an institution (as a hospital) founded by such a gift
4
: lenient judgment of others
Nope... nothing in there about it needing to be a federal tax deduction for it to be charity.
However, the part in bold seems to do just fine. By buying at the flgs instead of online, he is displaying benevolent goodwill towards others.

We're also talking about a social norm of supporting the people who give you and us a place to play. Calling us sociopathic for suggesting this sounds rather ironic.

That assumes you actually play at a LGS. Regardless, I think that this thread has devolved into a religious debate, and has probably run its course.

Why I love my FLGS.

Bought the core set and the employee ringing me up wanted to try it. Arranged to do the "learn to play" game on Saturday. I did 2 games with two employees, and all the while several people passed by and watched us. In the end both employees loved the game and now knew a product better.

If you want to build a community, go to your FLGS. If you just want to b3 greedy and save money, go online. But be prepared for the stigma when you wshow up with all your ill gotten gains

No disrespect intended, as I find myself quite often agreeing with your sentiments in many other instances. But, is this the same stigmata when you bring miniatures you bought at another FLGS and come to play in a tournament? How does one know where you got your miniatures at all? Or is this one of those clique gamer groups that is almost anti-social to anyone outside of the core group (I've seen this with many game systems at many game stores as I moved around from state to state)?

Also to be fair, I have seen communities sprout up with almost no support of the 'LGS' - in fact, I've seen more and more gaming groups moving to renting out space at the Y or Legion Post or so on - other groups have moved more to rotating to different people's basements bi weekly or monthly. People bring friends, they have a good time, and the community grows. None of this had to involve any sort of LGS, friendly or otherwise.

When I was in college, the only real choice was to buy from a game shop, but we didn't play in their stores - we played in our dorm rooms, off campus apartments, or class rooms for after hours activities. That gamer community would have been just as vibrant (if not more so) with the ability to order stuff online. The LGS was not an element in even helping to coordinate events or match players up. We ran the local conventions, we hosted the tournaments, we got out the word.

A good game will not die if the LGS goes away. Yes, there may be fewer options for going to tournaments, or having pickup nights if you don't have friends that are interested. But there are other avenues to get out the word - and you may just have to travel further if you want to do Organized Play.

There are quite a few really top notch game shops I've seen - Titan Games and Hobbies in Lutherville, MD is one of those - and when I am in the area I stop in and buy something.

But I would buy a whole lot more if the price difference wasn't so great.

It isn't like I am buying a low quality burger for $1 compared to an absolutely awesome fresh top shelf burger with all the fixings for $10

It is a case of being able to get that same quality $10 burger another franchise (for arguments sake, lets say it is further away) for $7.

But, if the $10 place tosses me a coupon and makes it even $8, I be more apt stay local. Instead of only going there if I 'have to get my burger fix'.

(Yes, I know this isn't being shipped to me, but I hope y'all get the analogy - could make the same comparison with Toilet Paper if you like).

FLGS need to compete with the online shops - those shops aren't going anywhere. So, what sorts of things can they do to bring more of those dollars (yen, pounds, euros, whatever) back into their shop?

My thoughts are:

- set % discounts on MSRP

- sales on game nights / tournament days for the product the tournament is about

- pre-order discounts (in this case the game store is just providing a service to order the goods, you still need to pick it up, but this is easy money)

- partner up with a game club, or sponsor clubs in local High Schools/Colleges, offer a discount for student IDs (as we all know how poor students are)

I am sure there are other ideas, but I would think these can help to grow the community, and help to keep the game stores alive

Essentially the issue is $$$$$$. A Brick and Mortar (those Brits and their terms :)) has Employees that deserve a livable wage, Rent, Electricity on top of the Taxes they pay for the Business. That's a lot of overhead.

I also am rather offense that anyone in their right mind would think paying for the full Price at a LGS is charity in anyway. That is just plain insulting to everyone involved.

Yah those are some real overhead costs, sounds like those FLGS need to grow with the times and stop exploiting there customers sense of loyalty.

To further your example that restaurant should maybe not think having a jukebox means they can charge 50% more for nachos and not go out of business.

Lets take armada for example. If amazon offers the game for $69 bucks and my FLGS is offering it for $99 then few people are going to buy it from them. A small hot gaming room, the chance to look before you purchase, costumer service, the getting it now factor, those are all things that would gladly make me shell out more then 69 bucks.

If my FLGS sold it for 79 bucks Amazon would be wondering how the hell it was going to compete with brick and mortar stores.

Also I am sorry you are offended by my use of the word charity, would me using the word donation make it better for you?

What do you call it when you give someone more money then has been earned because you want to help them out?

Have you Ever talked to a small business owner, because from the way you talk in your posts you sound like your in your 20's at the most and do not understand Margins, Overhead, how to upkeep a business as a whole. They do not run themselves just for you to take advantage of. I would highly suggest never expressing you thoughts on this matter in front of a small business owner, you will get owned logically and you will be not making friends at all.

I think you need to let go of some of your angst and realize the small business is trying to provide you a service, not extort you. Larger Companies are known for gouging, not so much the small ones.

If you think selling a product at retail price is exploiting then I have nothing more to say. That is a very bad way to view small business owners when almost all of them struggle to make ends meet just like the rest of us. They are not large corporate executives rolling around in expensive cars, they trying to pay their mortgage on their house and have birthday presents for their kids.

Have you Ever talked to a small business owner, because from the way you talk in your posts you sound like your in your 20's at the most and do not understand Margins, Overhead, how to upkeep a business as a whole. They do not run themselves just for you to take advantage of. I would highly suggest never expressing you thoughts on this matter in front of a small business owner, you will get owned logically and you will be not making friends at all.

I think you need to let go of some of your angst and realize the small business is trying to provide you a service, not extort you. Larger Companies are known for gouging, not so much the small ones.

Yeah, I'm really wondering how aware our interlocutors are of the real world here. Then there's the vehemence and sense of entitlement.

You would think that they're rebels who take galactic security and stability for granted. They don't understand how hard work it is for the Empire to provide those things, and what the real costs are. Have you seen the price of Thorilide lately? Those Star Destroyers don't build themselves you know.

If you think selling a product at retail price is exploiting then I have nothing more to say. That is a very bad way to view small business owners when almost all of them struggle to make ends meet just like the rest of us. They are not large corporate executives rolling around in expensive cars, they trying to pay their mortgage on their house and have birthday presents for their kids.

Have you Ever talked to a small business owner, because from the way you talk in your posts you sound like your in your 20's at the most and do not understand Margins, Overhead, how to upkeep a business as a whole. They do not run themselves just for you to take advantage of. I would highly suggest never expressing you thoughts on this matter in front of a small business owner, you will get owned logically and you will be not making friends at all.

I think you need to let go of some of your angst and realize the small business is trying to provide you a service, not extort you. Larger Companies are known for gouging, not so much the small ones.

Yeah, I'm really wondering how aware our interlocutors are of the real world here. Then there's the vehemence and sense of entitlement.

You would think that they're rebels who take galactic security and stability for granted. They don't understand how hard work it is for the Empire to provide those things, and what the real costs are. Have you seen the price of Thorilide lately? Those Star Destroyers don't build themselves you know.

But yeah, I feel like I am explaining to them how a small business works for their first time.

Just for the record I was looking heavily into opening a small business 10 years ago and studied A Lot. That includes talking one on one with many small business owners. They typically great people when they realize you aren't looking for free stuff.

Edited by Beatty

You would think that they're rebels who take galactic security and stability for granted. They don't understand how hard work it is for the Empire to provide those things, and what the real costs are. Have you seen the price of Thorilide lately? Those Star Destroyers don't build themselves you know.

No, it's the Empire that feels entitled to walk all over the good citizens as they try to scratch out a living. Those Imperial thugs thinking they can just walk into a cantina and get free drinks for their toasts to the Emperor.

Really, is that your understanding of the events in question? You really have a perverted sense of morality.

The stormtroopers entering the cantina at Tatooine were looking to recover stolen property. Not only the droids themselves (which were Vader's), but also the intellectual property that was being trafficked with them. Those stormtroopers (selfless people who put their lives on the line for humanity's sake) didn't ask for anything - not so much as a drop of blue milk, when they politely searched the premises. Meanwhile, your "heroes" are starting barfights, shooting working entrepreneurs (like Greedo), and cutting people's arms off.

If everyone were like him...

FYI... bubblepopmei is a she, not a he. :)

Whoops sorry Bubble. In my defense, the odds of any poster on a star wars miniature game forum being female is 3,720 to 1.

lol...

Never tell me the odds

Oooo, I see what you did there :P

Well, there also seems to be a sense of entitlement on the part of some of those supporting the LGS so vehmently. Personally, I find it rather warped when people accuse others looking for the best deal of "greed" and other silly things. Speaking for me, frankly, the only one who has a right to decide how the money I have earned is spent is me. If I can stretch my hobby dollar, I will and there is nothing at all wrong with that.

That is completely aside from the merits of buying from a LGS (of which there are many). So... if this discussion must conitnue, can we please keep it on the merits of buying from a LGS and not question the morality of those who look for a good deal?

It's so strange. Once upon a time looking for a good deal was considered "smart shopping."