You're killing me....

Just wait 'till the ISB catches up to you...

Wow.

I don't care about morals, ethics or any other salacious argument.

I will spend the cash I work hard to earn were I please. I will game were I please, regardless of were I acquired the toys I use.

Most of my gaming happens at my home or a friends anyway.

With all that said, I do shop locally whenever feasible, but that has to do more with me knowing both the local FLGS owners for over 15 years.

Whatever gets the job done.

But... I'm curious. Who's been making salacious arguments? I don't think anyone referred to lust or lechery, or Jabba's pet for that matter.

The play mats are a pretty interesting example. They are not that cheap and and we only make something like 5 bucks off the things when we sell them. It is hard to justify the lost shelve space in stocking them.

Selling X-wing is pretty easy as people are more then willing to pay the mark up on a Y-wing vs ordering online most of the time. Things like the Falcon or Slave one are a bit more tricky but they are selling even if we lose some to amazon so I don't intend to worry about that yet.

How much of a markup do you think is fair for a FLGS to charge. Lets say Amazon charges base price(BP) + 15% mark up(MU), What do you think is a fair markup for the additional services you offer?

Also lets say I can buy a game from amazon for $70 bucks, or from my FLGS for $100. Would i be ok for me to buy the game from amazon and just give my FLGS 20 bucks. I save 10 bucks by not buying from my FLGS and my FLGS makes $20 without even having to restock?

But... I'm curious. Who's been making salacious arguments? I don't think anyone referred to lust or lechery, or Jabba's pet for that matter.

Salacious - Salacious B Crumb - Crumb B argument

Damned autocorrect. Spurious. I have NO idea how that came out that way. Lol.

I can't believe the same people are still here 12 pages later trying to justify their selfishness...

On the happy upside, all of this will be moot in 3– 5 years. Personal 3D printers will have come down in price enough that they will be as common as paper printers are now, and just as capable. We'll all be buying model files from FFG directly to print out on our 3D printers. We'll be finding like– minded people through social media or forum boards to play with, and businesses that rely on selling things will find themselves a dinosaur looking up at a large rock headed their way.

On the happy upside, all of this will be moot in 3– 5 years. Personal 3D printers will have come down in price enough that they will be as common as paper printers are now, and just as capable. We'll all be buying model files from FFG directly to print out on our 3D printers. We'll be finding like– minded people through social media or forum boards to play with, and businesses that rely on selling things will find themselves a dinosaur looking up at a large rock headed their way.

I think that Amazon and Walmart were projected to run all the FLGSs out of business about 10 years ago. And yet, here we are having this discussion. Yes, they've made life a little more difficult, but they're still hanging on, and I can't say that they're not thriving in my neck of the woods. I'm happy to be a part of their success.

I have to thank you all. Thanks to this topic i have come up withba great idea i can not yet unveil.

I can't believe the same people are still here 12 pages later trying to justify their selfishness...

I'm still trying to figure out why does this matter so much to you.

On the happy upside, all of this will be moot in 3– 5 years. Personal 3D printers will have come down in price enough that they will be as common as paper printers are now, and just as capable. We'll all be buying model files from FFG directly to print out on our 3D printers. We'll be finding like– minded people through social media or forum boards to play with, and businesses that rely on selling things will find themselves a dinosaur looking up at a large rock headed their way.

Though until they print separate colors, I think some people may prefer pre-painted. But maybe the next few years might see 3D Print on Demand from FFG.

On the happy upside, all of this will be moot in 3– 5 years. Personal 3D printers will have come down in price enough that they will be as common as paper printers are now, and just as capable. We'll all be buying model files from FFG directly to print out on our 3D printers. We'll be finding like– minded people through social media or forum boards to play with, and businesses that rely on selling things will find themselves a dinosaur looking up at a large rock headed their way.

Though until they print separate colors, I think some people may prefer pre-painted. But maybe the next few years might see 3D Print on Demand from FFG.

Armada squadrons aren't pre-painted anyway. The end is nigh!

On the happy upside, all of this will be moot in 3– 5 years. Personal 3D printers will have come down in price enough that they will be as common as paper printers are now, and just as capable. We'll all be buying model files from FFG directly to print out on our 3D printers. We'll be finding like– minded people through social media or forum boards to play with, and businesses that rely on selling things will find themselves a dinosaur looking up at a large rock headed their way.

Though until they print separate colors, I think some people may prefer pre-painted. But maybe the next few years might see 3D Print on Demand from FFG.

I think what may be an issue for a lot of companies will be the free dissemination of these cad prints wherein the company won't get paid. I'm certainly not saying it's going to out any company out of business, I do think it will cut into their margins.

On the happy upside, all of this will be moot in 3– 5 years. Personal 3D printers will have come down in price enough that they will be as common as paper printers are now, and just as capable. We'll all be buying model files from FFG directly to print out on our 3D printers. We'll be finding like– minded people through social media or forum boards to play with, and businesses that rely on selling things will find themselves a dinosaur looking up at a large rock headed their way.

Though until they print separate colors, I think some people may prefer pre-painted. But maybe the next few years might see 3D Print on Demand from FFG.

I think what may be an issue for a lot of companies will be the free dissemination of these cad prints wherein the company won't get paid. I'm certainly not saying it's going to out any company out of business, I do think it will cut into their margins.

I don't think that is an accident either. They seem to have their eyes on the market 5 years ahead. Smart people there.

Now of course players can print up their own cards and come up with some sort of stand but you won't be able to use them in a League or Tournament at a place that is using FFG's kit.

Heck you could print up a board and make pieces for Risk too but the effort it would take along with the fact the results would be subpar makes you wonder is the effort is worth it. There's a reason DIYS projects are not very prevalent and retail store are still doing well, we have high expectations and are, well honestly, too lazy most of the time.

I'd rather buy from my local stores and support them. It takes a lot of time and effort to run a small business and they deserve the support. We can all choose how to spend our money, but the one thing to remember is that the local stores are more at risk of closing down with a loss of business. If it is a good place and the employees are friendly, I support them. It is a way to reward them for all their hard work.

I'd rather buy from my local stores and support them. It takes a lot of time and effort to run a small business and they deserve the support. We can all choose how to spend our money, but the one thing to remember is that the local stores are more at risk of closing down with a loss of business. If it is a good place and the employees are friendly, I support them. It is a way to reward them for all their hard work.

AT he risk of starting this up all over.

If I was running a Game store I would not want my business model to rely on my customers only being my costumers out of a sense of loyalty or feeling bad for me.

If they have the choice of getting 4 ships at amazon or only 3 ships at my store, I don't want them picking my store just because they feel sorry for me and want to "reward" me for my "hard work". I want them to pick my 3 ships because they are still a better deal.

I'd rather buy from my local stores and support them. It takes a lot of time and effort to run a small business and they deserve the support. We can all choose how to spend our money, but the one thing to remember is that the local stores are more at risk of closing down with a loss of business. If it is a good place and the employees are friendly, I support them. It is a way to reward them for all their hard work.

AT he risk of starting this up all over.

If I was running a Game store I would not want my business model to rely on my customers only being my costumers out of a sense of loyalty or feeling bad for me.

If they have the choice of getting 4 ships at amazon or only 3 ships at my store, I don't want them picking my store just because they feel sorry for me and want to "reward" me for my "hard work". I want them to pick my 3 ships because they are still a better deal.

Now should stores rely on pity, no. No one said that, you just assume that's what we are saying. But if a store that you go to regularly to play has provided you with a place that is where you want to go to get a game in it is in no way a pity sale to buy there. The store owner opened his doors for you to come and play, he is doing you a Favor. So do you return the Favor by supporting him by purchasing some of you games there?

I still don't think you understand if you play at a store you are using their services for free, even if you purchase items there. They by no means need to do this and in the past they never did. Gaming at the LGS is still a rather new thing and those of us who have been going to LGS's 20+ years realize that their tables being open for free games is not a Right, it is them being kind in hopes you will make some purchases there without asking you to.

Think of a store handing out food samples. Are they doing this to feed the Poor and Hungry? They are doing this to try and entice you into buying. But no one gets mad if you don't purchase that sample. But if you go into your local grocery store regularly and walk around eating samples all the time but never make a purchase in that store if the managers see this they may very well ask you not to come back.

But again you seem to be leaving out the key element of the topic. Do you play at your LGS's without supporting them?

Also leave out words like Charity, Exploit, Pity and those other charged words. They are not accurate at all and makes your posts sound over the top. I mean who runs the LGS in your town? Our LGS's are great places and the workers and owners are decent people at the worst. Also the space is air conditioned in the summertime with space to move around. Very welcoming places that are a result of the owners making them that way.

"But you're not and do not know what happens behind the counter."
Be careful with assumptions.

"No one said that, you just assume that's what we are saying."
you say tomato

"realize that their tables being open for free games is not a Right, it is them being kind in hopes you will make some purchases there without asking you to.
Yah we call that marketing. As with all marketing you will want a return on investment to be sure, If your marketing is not working, expecting your customers to pay for your marketing, even if some are willing is a bad idea.

"he is doing you a Favor"
It is not a favor if you have to pay for it.

"Also leave out words like..."
I understand why you don't like it, but no...

"Do you play at your LGS's without supporting them?"
That really depends on what you mean by supporting them? Would someone who only buys an item for what they consider it worth count as supporting the store?

Let me put it this way, I am assuming you purchased your armada set from a LGS for about $100 correct?
What if your LGS charged $120 for it? Would you still have paid for it or gone without? What about $150? $200? At what point is the LGS just ripping you off because you feel you have to buy from them?

Also leave out words like Charity, Exploit, Pity and those other charged words. They are not accurate at all and makes your posts sound over the top. I mean who runs the LGS in your town? Our LGS's are great places and the workers and owners are decent people at the worst. Also the space is air conditioned in the summertime with space to move around. Very welcoming places that are a result of the owners making them that way.

Maybe also leave out phrases like, "doing you a favor?"

"But you're not and do not know what happens behind the counter."

Be careful with assumptions.

"No one said that, you just assume that's what we are saying."

you say tomato

"realize that their tables being open for free games is not a Right, it is them being kind in hopes you will make some purchases there without asking you to.

Yah we call that marketing. As with all marketing you will want a return on investment to be sure, If your marketing is not working, expecting your customers to pay for your marketing, even if some are willing is a bad idea.

"he is doing you a Favor"

It is not a favor if you have to pay for it.

"Also leave out words like..."

I understand why you don't like it, but no...

"Do you play at your LGS's without supporting them?"

That really depends on what you mean by supporting them? Would someone who only buys an item for what they consider it worth count as supporting the store?

Let me put it this way, I am assuming you purchased your armada set from a LGS for about $100 correct?

What if your LGS charged $120 for it? Would you still have paid for it or gone without? What about $150? $200? At what point is the LGS just ripping you off because you feel you have to buy from them?

The only point you have made is that you think it is your right to take advantage of your LGS's becuase they don't "Give" you enough "Special" treatment. Hell if he's going to use loaded words so will I. It's hyperbole and fun.

How old are you? Seriously I'd like to know if I am even speaking to someone who has life experience. Becuase you don't sound like you've work a real job in your life from the way you talk down about Shop owners and their staff.

So I am done with this topic becuase it has run its course and even I can say that even though me and Some others don't see eye to eye you are coming from a very extreme point of view that is in all honesty coming off very self severing. Sorry but no one listens to people like that.

So good luck, you are going to need it.

By the way, the MSRP is not some scam to rob customers. For the last time do some research and realize MSRP was created to Protect consumers from being gouged and taken advantage of. So your argument of stores selling items at MSRP is them ripping people off is an uneducated assumption.

Many factors go into the MSRP and it is not just some random number. It is a certain percentage of the item's price that is to account for the store owner's overhead. Some store owners may have a smaller overhead than others but how do You determine if the store in question does or does not have the ability to cut costs to you.

That is how business works.

"you still have not answered the question without putting some stupid spin on it and you expect anyone to listen? "
Yah I expect some to listen and even understand my answer. Maybe not you.... =p

"The only point you have made is"
I think you know that is not true and that I am arguing in good faith.

"How old are you? Seriously I'd like to know if I am even speaking to someone who has life experience. Becuase you don't sound like you've work a real job in your life from the way you talk down about Shop owners and their staff."
On the internet know one knows you are a dog so how could you trust me anyway?
Still if you must know.
I am 33 years old and have worked in retail sense November 2008, before that I was the assistant manager of a small motel that was part of Choice Hotels International. My position had me attend workshops on sales and customer service.
As far as LGS go, I have had something of a history with them over my life and am familiar with the inner working. I highly doubt any of this really means anything to you however.


"So I am done with this topic.... By the way,"
Can't stick the flounce?


Anyway all my point is. If you are a FLGS, your reasoning for charging $30+ more then amazon is probably going to eventually put you out of business.
I strongly recommend nothing greater then a 50% markup with a MAX of $20 over amazon.
If you can't meet those numbers you should really consider if stocking the item is the right call at all. Amazons business model is designed to crush people that trust the MSRP.

Amazons business model is designed to crush people that trust the MSRP.

If the only thing you consider is MSRP compared to Amazon, then either you have a bad LGS, no LGS or else you're fine taking advantage of your LGS which is a shame.

If your LGS offers things like table space, terrain, tournaments, leagues, ect... they they're offering a service that you should be willing to pay for.

Amazons business model is designed to crush people that trust the MSRP.

If the only thing you consider is MSRP compared to Amazon, then either you have a bad LGS, no LGS or else you're fine taking advantage of your LGS which is a shame.

If your LGS offers things like table space, terrain, tournaments, leagues, ect... they they're offering a service that you should be willing to pay for.

Then they should make people pay for these things and remove it from the price of the products they sell, else people buying stuff are either overpaying or underpaying these products based on if they use or not the other things.

Then they should make people pay for these things

I'd be fine with that myself. I'm not sure if reducing the price of stuff you buy would work out for many or most stores, but it's something they could look at.

But I think renting table space is something most every LGS should at least consider.