Just a quick question- if an enemy makes an additional attack within the combat phase, is it dealt another shadow card? I know it would if it was attacking outside of the combat phase, but what about during the combat phase? Thanks!

Yes. The shadow cards are always dealt with out-of-order attacks, unless the effect specifies that you do not deal a shadow card for this attack.

Is that just part of the FAQ? Because it doesn't talk about it in the rules, dealing a shadow card isn't part of an attack, and I guess I'm not following the logic. Is this just another "because it is" kind of thing? Can't tell you how many times I've played this wrong...

(1.42) Additional attacks by an enemy When an enemy makes an additional attack, discard all of its previously dealt shadow cards before dealing it a new shadow card.

It has been ruled and clarified several times, but you're right - I think it is not in the original rulebook, so you're not crazy.

Unless specified otherwise by a rule or card text, always deal 1 shadow card for each attack. It doesn't matter when that attack is announced or occurs. Hope that helps.

Q: I'm in combat phase and have dealt shadow cards to engaged enemies. When one attacks, it triggers a new enemy from the staging area to engage me. Does that enemy also get to attack me? If so, does it get a shadow card dealt to it?

A: If an enemy engages you during the “resolving enemy attacks” portion of the combat phase, it will make an attack. However, it will not be dealt a shadow card since it was not engaged with you at the beginning of the combat phase when shadow cards were dealt.

This is what I was going off of, it was on alogos' unofficial FAQ. It is bonkers there's a distinction there. Guess I'm replaying any scenario with additional attacks being made...

As far as I'm aware, every attack gets a shadow card - UNLESS the encounter deck runs out of cards. It is only reshuffled during the quest phase.

That's why I'm so confused. That's straight from Caleb and the way I see it, those two situations are exactly the same. Both attacks occur after the shadow cards have already been dealt. The new shadow card must just be for additional attacks in that situation. Another rule I don't quite agree with, but oh well. Thanks everybody.

Yeah, the difference is between a new enemy making its first attack (if it missed shadow cards, it doesn't get one) and an existing enemy making an additional attack (deal a new shadow card).

Wait, so I'm confused. If I feint an enemy, then next combat phase when he goes to attack, I discard the previous shadow card and deal him a new one? I always just acted like they accumulated for as long as he was in play. For example, in Shadow and Flame I frequently, feint or feigned voices the Balrog and stop his attack, then when he finally did attack he had a few shadow cards saved up. That's wrong?

Yeah. Any shadow cards you don't resolve get discarded at the end of the combat phase.

I think technically ALL shadow cards get discarded at the end of the combat phase, whether they resolve or not. And I don't think it's stated anywhere, but you get to decide the order in which they are discarded. This is important for cards like Shadow of the Past.

Huh cool, that will make life easier.

Now that I think about it, I'm not sure I understood Smaug the Magnificent in the Lonely Mountain got a new shadow card after every attack and other enemies didn't. Lol.

Well, I'm still giving a shadow card for each attack under any circumstances because I can't keep up with all the nuances...

It really should just be step 1, it would clear up a lot of confusion. Attack outside of combat phase? Doesn't matter, it's step one of resolving an attack! That way it would be assumed, and if cards didn't want you to deal a shadow card for an additional or out of phase attack, they could say so. But whatever, I get it now.

Seems a thread that should be in the rules section.

But next to that I also was wondering on something on this matter, Suppose you are in the combat phase and an enemy makes an additional attack (immediately) after this one. Can you choose in which order you deal with all attacks, or should this additional attack be defended before any other attack that would occur?

Or does the "immediate" mean that it has to be executed next, before any other attacks.

Kind Regards,

Jban

No kidding, but I was on my phone and I'm lucky it posted at all. I would say the additional attack has to be resolved right after the first one, since I believe the shadow card has gone ahead and completed step one of resolving combat for you (choose an enemy).

During the combat phase all enemies will attack, so I don't understand why some "additional attack" would mean it has to be the next attack you have to handle. The shadow only says he makes an new attack after the current one, but this holds also for all enemies engaged that didn't attack you yet.

Gr,

Jban