Are you renting out a space for a gaming club?

I don't need to rent it, but I have access to a space like that. Most people in a large town or even small city could have access to such a space. Sure they may need to rent it out, but get 16 people together and the price per person would be rather small.

There was a time the only way you could play these games was at a game store, but that's becoming less true. Facebook and other social media sites is making it possible to organize things without a pre-existing location to meet at.

It is undoubtedly more convenient to have a truly Local game store, but not everyone has one and not everyone actually needs one.

as a whole and you need to realize if you do not financially support those shops they will not let you play there for long.

Sure, and as i've said I don't know how many times now, if you play at a game store you should support that game store by buying things there.

But the kneejerk reaction by some people when 'i buy it online' is that that you're a horrible person for not supporting your LGS, with no thought at all if the person even has a Friendly LGS let alone a local one.

We've already discussed how different individuals have different imperatives.

I think it helps to realize that different gaming regions are different. Most arguing against game-store loyalty and tribute seem to be saying that they don't tend to have good gaming stores in their area, or at all. Or, they play with a pre-existing group of friends, and have no need for the gaming store's facilities. Also, some gaming stores are just bad.

I'm blessed that I live in an area (Portland, OR) where there are more gaming stores than I'm aware of. I keep finding out about (or recalling) ones that I haven't been to yet. However, there are four main stores that actively host FFG's Star Wars games, and they're located in the southeast, west, center, and in the big suburb north of the river. While distance is a factor for a lot of us who don't have cars or are on a gas/time budget, these stores do have to compete with eachother to keep their clientele satisfied. I think that this competition really helps. (It's awesome when the free market does work!)

So here's the question: what areas have the customer base to support good gaming stores, but don't because the gaming community in that area has chosen to support online retailers rather than brick & mortar stores?

You also have to realize that a lot of good stores are already gone because of this, or they're less likely to get involved in expensive miniatures games because there is a risk their customers will just buy it online, thus making them "bad stores' in the eyes of the people who don't support them anyways... If the "bad" stores had more support most of them would probably improve.

Also, without games stores, FFG isn't a company. The fact is the vast majority of gamers first became gamers because of games stores. If there were no more games stores, your gaming groups aren't going to sustain the industry like games stores do. So there is no armada, or most any other games for that matter. So what exactly do online stores, and people who only play in their friends basements provide for the continuation of the community?

Also, without games stores, FFG isn't a company. The fact is the vast majority of gamers first became gamers because of games stores. If there were no more games stores, your gaming groups aren't going to sustain the industry like games stores do. So there is no armada, or most any other games for that matter. So what exactly do online stores, and people who only play in their friends basements provide for the continuation of the community?

Sorry but that is not true. For MTG and minis players maybe, but not for boardgame players.

We organize our X-Wing gaming session at the FLGS just because we outgrown the capacity of our houses and we needed a central hub to meet. But it started not in shop, but in our house and online (it is on BGG that I heard about X-Wing first time).

Houston? HOUSTON!?

Stop feeding the Troll, please.

Thank you.

That is all.

Houston? HOUSTON!?

Stop feeding the Troll, please.

Thank you.

That is all.

ground control to major troll...

ground control to major troll...

you need no protein pills when people egg you on...

Houston? HOUSTON!?

Stop feeding the Troll, please.

Thank you.

That is all.

You're the one trolling, please stop.

Also, X-wing not a miniatures games?

So the fellow making generalized, specious, comments about the way people should or should not be spending THIER money is not a troll? The one public shaming people for not doing what he thinks they should do with THIER money is not a troll? The one making silly assumptions about how ALL gaming works EVERYWHERE is not a troll? Even though all of that is pretty clearly designed to keep a pointless discussion going for his own satisfaction?

Ok.... Yeah... Well, have fun with that.

Per HNN:

Bothan Spies Leak Sensitive Military Information: Navy to Deploy More Vessels to Outer Rim

... Is the Outer Rim the West Coast?

Western Australia???? You can't get any further Outer Rim than Perth (Tatooine).

Here in the states, we call our Outer Rim California.

Also, X-wing not a miniatures games?

Yeah, but among people playing it in our community, we are mainly boardgame players, not the usual miniatures players (like Warhammer, Warmachine, Warsomethingelse, etc). I think there is 2 or maybe 3 of us that actually play them.

Also, without games stores, FFG isn't a company. The fact is the vast majority of gamers first became gamers because of games stores. If there were no more games stores, your gaming groups aren't going to sustain the industry like games stores do. So there is no armada, or most any other games for that matter. So what exactly do online stores, and people who only play in their friends basements provide for the continuation of the community?

Sorry but that is not true. For MTG and minis players maybe, but not for boardgame players.

We organize our X-Wing gaming session at the FLGS just because we outgrown the capacity of our houses and we needed a central hub to meet. But it started not in shop, but in our house and online (it is on BGG that I heard about X-Wing first time).

This thread (while interesting) is way off topic. Each time I look I hope for more info about Wave 1 releases but its just debating FLAGS

Well my Flag is better than your's. Let your freak flag fly!

Seriously though we won't hear anything more until the 12th most likely.

My grandma and your grandma

Were sittin' by the fire

My grandma told your grandma

"I'm gonna set your flag on fire"

...

My flag boy and your flag boy

Sittin' by the fire

Your flag boy and my flag boy

We're gonna set their flags on fire

If my flgs would be even a little bit price competitive I'd be a lot more likely to buy from them. However they are strictly MSRP, often out of stock when I need something, take weeks to order something in instead of days, and I can't buy online in my underwear. I have to question how many people really get their start at a FLGS anymore. The ones around me are places you'd have to seek out. Its not like you'd happen to see it at the mall and wander in. I sort of wish they'd just charge a cover fee for the gaming room and give a discount on the products. I'd be far more likely to shop there.

That dosn't make them terrible, just Misguided.

It seems a lot of people assume the L in LGS actually means local, and not simply closest.

Well, the word "local" does, in fact mean local. I have no intrest in supporting a store just for the halibut; I support the one that provides me with gaming space. My FCGS might well be too far away to be meaningful.

Also, X-wing not a miniatures games?

Yeah, but among people playing it in our community, we are mainly boardgame players, not the usual miniatures players (like Warhammer, Warmachine, Warsomethingelse, etc). I think there is 2 or maybe 3 of us that actually play them.

Even people that play those games often start in thier homes with a buddy or two. Same with a lot of card games. They expand to game stores just like you did for the same reasons.

But that only supports his point that without game stores these games likely don't exist. And that likely goes for some of your more intensive boardgames like FFG tends to create. I don't think they could subsist themselves just as games that very small groups play at home.

Also, without games stores, FFG isn't a company. The fact is the vast majority of gamers first became gamers because of games stores. If there were no more games stores, your gaming groups aren't going to sustain the industry like games stores do. So there is no armada, or most any other games for that matter. So what exactly do online stores, and people who only play in their friends basements provide for the continuation of the community?

Sorry but that is not true. For MTG and minis players maybe, but not for boardgame players.

We organize our X-Wing gaming session at the FLGS just because we outgrown the capacity of our houses and we needed a central hub to meet. But it started not in shop, but in our house and online (it is on BGG that I heard about X-Wing first time).

If by board games you mean candy land and monopoly... Sure...

Sorry, I don't live in 70's. I am talking about modern boardgames.

Well, I don't know how such awesome news devolved into this, but

My LGSs all charge for play-time and for hosting tournies (in the neighborhood of $5 or $10 to play till closing), and will accept substitutes in the form of buying ships for your tournie entrance fee.

Given, however, that their stock is a fair bit more limited than what may be normal, I don't feel the need nor have the ability to purchase frequently from them. I do occasionally, especially when the temptation for new thin X becomes too strong

Also, without games stores, FFG isn't a company. The fact is the vast majority of gamers first became gamers because of games stores. If there were no more games stores, your gaming groups aren't going to sustain the industry like games stores do. So there is no armada, or most any other games for that matter. So what exactly do online stores, and people who only play in their friends basements provide for the continuation of the community?

Sorry but that is not true. For MTG and minis players maybe, but not for boardgame players.

We organize our X-Wing gaming session at the FLGS just because we outgrown the capacity of our houses and we needed a central hub to meet. But it started not in shop, but in our house and online (it is on BGG that I heard about X-Wing first time).

If by board games you mean candy land and monopoly... Sure...

No he means boardgames, like most of this companies offerings. Don't be a ****.

Also, X-wing not a miniatures games?

Yeah, but among people playing it in our community, we are mainly boardgame players, not the usual miniatures players (like Warhammer, Warmachine, Warsomethingelse, etc). I think there is 2 or maybe 3 of us that actually play them.

Even people that play those games often start in thier homes with a buddy or two. Same with a lot of card games. They expand to game stores just like you did for the same reasons.

But that only supports his point that without game stores these games likely don't exist. And that likely goes for some of your more intensive boardgames like FFG tends to create. I don't think they could subsist themselves just as games that very small groups play at home.

If LGS didn't exist, we would play in larger group during boardgame events (there is like between 1 and 3 every month or so in Quebec) or we would just rent a community space or get to someone place with a bigger basement!

Well, the word "local" does, in fact mean local.

Yes but LGS of FLGS has become shorthand, and not always meaningful which was my point.

But that only supports his point that without game stores these games likely don't exist.

This is such massively wild speculation it isn't even worth debating. There's no way of knowing if X-Wing or any other miniature game would exist or not without LGS.

No he means boardgames, like most of this companies offerings. Don't be a ****.

and that's why he's being called a troll.

Also, without games stores, FFG isn't a company. The fact is the vast majority of gamers first became gamers because of games stores. If there were no more games stores, your gaming groups aren't going to sustain the industry like games stores do. So there is no armada, or most any other games for that matter. So what exactly do online stores, and people who only play in their friends basements provide for the continuation of the community?

Sorry but that is not true. For MTG and minis players maybe, but not for boardgame players.

We organize our X-Wing gaming session at the FLGS just because we outgrown the capacity of our houses and we needed a central hub to meet. But it started not in shop, but in our house and online (it is on BGG that I heard about X-Wing first time).

If by board games you mean candy land and monopoly... Sure...

Sorry, I don't live in 70's. I am talking about modern boardgames.

Well, the word "local" does, in fact mean local.

Yes but LGS of FLGS has become shorthand, and not always meaningful which was my point.

But that only supports his point that without game stores these games likely don't exist.

This is such massively wild speculation it isn't even worth debating. There's no way of knowing if X-Wing or any other miniature game would exist or not without LGS.