No StarVipers at the tables, no StarViper talk ....

By TheRealStarkiller, in X-Wing

4 headhunters with feedback array can ruin anyones day.

Corran doesn't seem to care. I understand it is possible but super difficult.

4 Tie Bombers wouldn't mind.

Watched a guy in Tulsa on Covenant stream absolutely wrecking with Xizor and four pirates (no feedback arrays). He won the two games I saw.

Any idea how xizor was loaded in that list?

Xizor with dampeners, fcs, vi, title and autothrusters. He flew with 5 binayre pirates.

I lost my only Swiss-round game to him. (Corran clipped a debris and rolled the crit) no actions plus range 1 fcs prince is GG)

In his first round of top 8 he played an exact mirror match.

Edited by TasteTheRainbow

So same as mine except I added flechette torps to xizor :D

ok. so the x plus 5 pirates list is finally pulling through. Ive flown it for ages but never flew it with fcs and vi. i use adv sensors and predator. is fcs significantly better or what? Also, the more i think about it; why not just fly guri with it. She's just so much better, and you can get the same effect (guys not shooting at her) by kitting her out with lw, thrusters or maybe even sensor jammer and then you won't have to kill your own guys to keep your viper flying. Im just throwing out ideas here. i love the xizor list. Shell probably play more of a flanking role but i think it could work.

Also, yesterday i played this: xizor, pred, thrusters + Guri, thrusters, LW + Kavil, blaster turret, agro mech. it won twice over soontir, stress shuttle, 3ap. Guri flanks while Kavil and xizor keep close. xizors ability triggers every now and then and Kavil throws 4 d left and right. its pretty good and hella fun to fly. Any experience with something similar?

something like this

Guri [Lone Wolf, Virago, Autothrusters, Advanced Sensors, Inertial Dampeners] (39)

Binayre Pirate (12) x 5

Im not super impressed with the ship. I have 3 of them. Good for upgrade cards at least.

I've ran Guri + Kavil + 2'z to top 4 success in a Store Champ, I had a good chance to make the final table but I forgot my opponent had Engine upgrade AND initiative, so set up my PS9 Kavil to Block Han's boost, oh oops Han moves first herpderp - Other Wise I'd of had a Range 1 Guri with Adv Protons, a TL+Focus 4 dice Kavil and some R2 Z shots to Hammer Han with.

IIRC Kavil was VI + Blaster + Agro

Guri was PTL + adv Sensors + Title + Adv Protons + Dampeners - as much as Thrusters were an auto include I think I ran this at 99 for initiative rather than drop Dampeners for Thrusters.

2x basic Z's.

I think if I ran it again I'd drop the VI on Kavil for Dampeners + auto thrusters on Guri.

Has anyone run 4 naked Black Sun Enforcers?

Has anyone run 4 naked Black Sun Enforcers?

I've seen it once got top 8? In a Store champ.

Also seen 3 + a HWK from the same player get top 4 at another Store Champ.

They seem to do decently well if flown right.

I guess that's it really. Enforcers can preform really well if they roll well and have an experienced hand behind them because they have a very solid dial (Extreme tight 1 turns, unpredictable sigma turn can allow serious arc dodging shots.) and are fairly durable even without Autothrusters (3 agility and 5 potential hits is fairly good for a fighter sized vessel, and is probably considerably more durable then a Y-Wing which is the other "heavy fighter" go to that Scum has.). Thus with the correct amount of foresight thought it has little in the way of strong tricks (action abuse) it has a good enough dial that damaged ships can reasonably get out of the way while not giving up turns of shooting, or even as blockers if needs be. Just unlike the defender it's major advantage is that you can take one more which has advantages over the defender list (more shots, better mobility in exchange for a marginal decrease in individual duriability and no upgrades.) Though I would like to field a list with a HWK too (just don't want to buy 4 starvipers, or even 3. Maybe I change my mind on that since the ship is growing on me)

The other thing is it's a tad disappointing at how few choices there are in pilots, which is probably the biggest issue that scum probably has. Xizor is very self centered (which is cool) and Guri needs control or/and good prediction skills.

ok. so the x plus 5 pirates list is finally pulling through. Ive flown it for ages but never flew it with fcs and vi. i use adv sensors and predator. is fcs significantly better or what? Also, the more i think about it; why not just fly guri with it. She's just so much better, and you can get the same effect (guys not shooting at her) by kitting her out with lw, thrusters or maybe even sensor jammer and then you won't have to kill your own guys to keep your viper flying. Im just throwing out ideas here. i love the xizor list. Shell probably play more of a flanking role but i think it could work.

I used to fly Predator and Adv Sensors on Xizor, but I've found I like the VI and FCS. I think it does more damage and you end up in better positions.

As for why not fly with Guri? Well, I like the higher PS with Xizor. You will have a lot of high PS pilots still. I've found I like the high PS to confuse them. Also, I like Xizor's ability better. Guri is OK, but if someone wants to target her down, you can't do much. With Xizor, you can. He can shift off damage all the time and I find he stays in the game a lot more. Also, I've found some people that just get frustrated and want to take him down. With 3 green dice, Focus, AutoThrusters, and his damage shift ability, it's hard to kill him. When you fly with a bunch of Z's, everyone's just going to shoot at Guri.

I've been flying Guri with Title, Advanced Sensors, Autothrusters, and VI. Lately with a Syndicate Y-wing, with R4 and Blaster Turret, as well as a pair of ion Scyks, it's been fun!

Do you call them "Scions"? :)

Have you noticed that Xizor should be at least 32 points? But actually he cost only 31 points ...

Thats the 1 point for the Virago, which naturally is Xizors' very own ship.

How about:

Xizor with Opportunist + FCS + AT + Hotshot

Z blockers

I've had a lot of success recently in running Sensor Jammers on IG88s. Any thought on sacrificing a little offense on Xizor to make him even more defensive?

Xizor

  • VI
  • Sensor Jammer
  • Inertial Dampeners
  • Virago
  • Autothrusters

Pirates x 5

I've had a lot of success recently in running Sensor Jammers on IG88s. Any thought on sacrificing a little offense on Xizor to make him even more defensive?

Xizor

  • VI
  • Sensor Jammer
  • Inertial Dampeners
  • Virago
  • Autothrusters

Pirates x 5

I feel like Xizor is defensive enough with his special ability. What you need is something that can hurt other lists while the Z's fly around. High agility ships will just laugh at Z-95's going "pew pew". You need Xizor to be the heavy hitter.

I've had a lot of success recently in running Sensor Jammers on IG88s. Any thought on sacrificing a little offense on Xizor to make him even more defensive?

Xizor

  • VI
  • Sensor Jammer
  • Inertial Dampeners
  • Virago
  • Autothrusters

Pirates x 5

Not on Xizor, but on Guri.

Opportunist, title + Sensor Jammer = 39 pts (+ a mod of your choice if you want to get more pricey). It creates a nice 'damned if you do, damned if you don't' for enemy ships of higher PS. And I am referring to the spending of focus tokens of course. ;)

How about this:

Guri (44)
StarViper (30), Outmaneuver (3), Advanced Proton Torpedoes (6), Virago (1), Autothrusters (2), Fire-Control System (2)

Binayre Pirate (14) x 4
Z-95 Headhunter (12), Feedback Array (2)

Edited by TheRealStarkiller

I've been flying Guri with Title, Advanced Sensors, Autothrusters, and VI. Lately with a Syndicate Y-wing, with R4 and Blaster Turret, as well as a pair of ion Scyks, it's been fun!

Do you call them "Scions"? :)

If he doesn't I am from now on..

Snipers is what I call HLC sycks.

How about this:

Guri (44)

StarViper (30), Outmaneuver (3), Advanced Proton Torpedoes (6), Virago (1), Autothrusters (2), Fire-Control System (2)

Binayre Pirate (14) x 4

Z-95 Headhunter (12), Feedback Array (2)

advanced torps suck in every context, sadly

you're getting one more die of damage out of guri for 6 points...yay?

you're better off turning your pirates into blacksuns

also beware opprotunist. The starviper has an amazing dial...until it gets stressed and turns into a B-wing

APTS are expensive, but with guri's focus it's almost an auto 5 hit. Personally I think it's a tad too expensive to be worth it, but mileage may vary.

Edited by DariusAPB

How about this:

Guri (44)

StarViper (30), Outmaneuver (3), Advanced Proton Torpedoes (6), Virago (1), Autothrusters (2), Fire-Control System (2)

Binayre Pirate (14) x 4

Z-95 Headhunter (12), Feedback Array (2)

The starviper has an amazing dial...until it gets stressed and turns into a B-wing

That's no where near true! The Starviper's dial is fantastic, even when stressed. Then only move that a stressed Starviper can't make is the S-turn. It has white 1 and 2 turns. I often times don't clear stress on my Starvipers right away. Few expect that white 1 turn that takes you out of danger and often gives you an unopposed shot. Yes you might be taking your shot without tokens, but if you're not seeing any return fire it's all gravy.

The Starviper is hard to predict because of its dial. Don't worry about stress and don't fly it like an Interceptor.

Edited by Stone37

I've been flying Guri with Title, Advanced Sensors, Autothrusters, and VI. Lately with a Syndicate Y-wing, with R4 and Blaster Turret, as well as a pair of ion Scyks, it's been fun!

Do you call them "Scions"? :)

If he doesn't I am from now on..

Snipers is what I call HLC sycks.

...and don't forget the Smanglers (Scyks with Mangler Cannons).

I've been flying Guri with Title, Advanced Sensors, Autothrusters, and VI. Lately with a Syndicate Y-wing, with R4 and Blaster Turret, as well as a pair of ion Scyks, it's been fun!

Do you call them "Scions"? :)

If he doesn't I am from now on..

Snipers is what I call HLC sycks.

...and don't forget the Smanglers (Scyks with Mangler Cannons).

What? You mean Smangos?