I like xizor and feedback Zs, but super corran just slaughters it. Xizor needed a higher PS.

Wouldn't Feedback Z's be bad with Xizor's ability?

I like the Starviper, but I have the same problem with all the Scum: all I want is 1 or 2 points more expensive that I desire. The titles (Virago, Heavy Scyk) would cost 0 for real use, because you have to pay for more cards.

Edit: heychad, having the option to zap can only be a good thing (apart from points spent). You don't have to use it but it gives more options vs very hard to hit targets. It's a good insurance policy you just don't want to use it frivolously.

I like xizor and feedback Zs, but super corran just slaughters it. Xizor needed a higher PS.

Wouldn't Feedback Z's be bad with Xizor's ability?

Hotshots would be better ^^

I like xizor and feedback Zs, but super corran just slaughters it. Xizor needed a higher PS.

Wouldn't Feedback Z's be bad with Xizor's ability?

Hotshots would be better ^^

That's true but it's also more expensive

I like xizor and feedback Zs, but super corran just slaughters it. Xizor needed a higher PS.

Wouldn't Feedback Z's be bad with Xizor's ability?

Hotshots would be better ^^

That's true but it's also more expensive

How about switches? Damaged Z's would start kamikaze runs...

I like xizor and feedback Zs, but super corran just slaughters it. Xizor needed a higher PS.

Wouldn't Feedback Z's be bad with Xizor's ability?

Hotshots would be better ^^

That's true but it's also more expensive

How about switches? Damaged Z's would start kamikaze runs...

Hmm that would also be pretty scary since xizor could choose to detonate them

I like xizor and feedback Zs, but super corran just slaughters it. Xizor needed a higher PS.

Wouldn't Feedback Z's be bad with Xizor's ability?

Hotshots would be better ^^

That's true but it's also more expensive

How about switches? Damaged Z's would start kamikaze runs...

Hmm that would also be pretty scary since xizor could choose to detonate them

feedbacks are awesome because **** your Z-95s if your trading it for soontir or someone Xizor doesn't want to be staring down late game

hotshots not so much, especially not for their asking price

and deadman's...well, if Xizor's triggering it he's also taking it

Honestly, though, I've found the majority of the Zs should just be bargain bin prices, because hey they're there to die before the prince and fart out dice until then. Sprinkling in two feedbacks helps alleviate problems with low health, high agility & high PS

I like the Starviper, but I have the same problem with all the Scum: all I want is 1 or 2 points more expensive that I desire. The titles (Virago, Heavy Scyk) would cost 0 for real use, because you have to pay for more cards.

Correct me if I am wrong, but don't ships with certain options usually pay a point or two to have them in the first place? With a few exceptions I thought most ships have a slight tax for certain options built into the base ship cost.

Edit: heychad, having the option to zap can only be a good thing (apart from points spent). You don't have to use it but it gives more options vs very hard to hit targets. It's a good insurance policy you just don't want to use it frivolously.

0 points:

Slave 1, Andrasta, TIE/X1, Royal Guard TIE, A-Wing Test Pilot - for extra slot

BTL-A4 - for extra attack (and you lose 360º)

IG-2000 - for extra text

The others that you pay points, you gain or transform an action (Moldy Crow, Milennium Falcon, Outrider, ST-321, Dauntless)

I like the Starviper, but I have the same problem with all the Scum: all I want is 1 or 2 points more expensive that I desire. The titles (Virago, Heavy Scyk) would cost 0 for real use, because you have to pay for more cards.

Correct me if I am wrong, but don't ships with certain options usually pay a point or two to have them in the first place? With a few exceptions I thought most ships have a slight tax for certain options built into the base ship cost.

Edit: heychad, having the option to zap can only be a good thing (apart from points spent). You don't have to use it but it gives more options vs very hard to hit targets. It's a good insurance policy you just don't want to use it frivolously.

0 points:

Slave 1, Andrasta, TIE/X1, Royal Guard TIE, A-Wing Test Pilot - for extra slot

BTL-A4 - for extra attack (and you lose 360º)

IG-2000 - for extra text

The others that you pay points, you gain or transform an action (Moldy Crow, Milennium Falcon, Outrider, ST-321, Dauntless)

Most of the free ones mentioned were designed specifically to give a slight buff to a ship that needed an extra hand though.

I wasn't talking about titles I was talking about the cost inherent in the ship that comes with certain upgrades and abilities already on its cards. For instance doesn't having a cannon slot make the defender a point more than it would have been without? I guess there is no real way to know since their math method is secret but that's what I have always assumed based on some stuff I read in MJs threads. (And if I misinderstood some of what you said MJ I apologize! )

Being somewhat mediocre and hard to use effectively and also being unpopular with the Star Wars fandom is not a good combination for a ship's usage.

If there has to be ships in the game that don't see play, I'd rather it be the Starviper than the X-Wing.

I like xizor and feedback Zs, but super corran just slaughters it. Xizor needed a higher PS.

Wouldn't Feedback Z's be bad with Xizor's ability?

Hotshots would be better ^^

I've run super xizor (as, title, pred, thrusters) and 4 z´s with hotshots. works like a charm. I can't decide if its better than 5 z´s though. opinions?

I've run super xizor (as, title, pred, thrusters) and 4 z´s with hotshots. works like a charm. I can't decide if its better than 5 z´s though. opinions?

I like to run him with I-Damp Zs and a Y wing with an auto blaster turret (no title). I think hotshots may be overpriced, but feedbacks are also interesting.

Being somewhat mediocre and hard to use effectively and also being unpopular with the Star Wars fandom is not a good combination for a ship's usage.

If there has to be ships in the game that don't see play, I'd rather it be the Starviper than the X-Wing.

Actually that's where you're wrong, unpopular with purists? Yes. Unpopular the fandom? No. It is one the most known and liked starships in the EU.

Try E-wing or K-wing (both of which *I* like, but not everyone else is enlightened like me :D)

Being somewhat mediocre and hard to use effectively and also being unpopular with the Star Wars fandom is not a good combination for a ship's usage. If there has to be ships in the game that don't see play, I'd rather it be the Starviper than the X-Wing.

Actually that's where you're wrong, unpopular with purists? Yes. Unpopular the fandom? No. It is one the most known and liked starships in the EU.Try E-wing or K-wing (both of which *I* like, but not everyone else is enlightened like me :D)

True xizor was a badass. Loved shadow of the empire!

Also I had a brain fart. Totally didn't think about the deadmans hitting boss man if he detonated them xD D'oh!

Being somewhat mediocre and hard to use effectively and also being unpopular with the Star Wars fandom is not a good combination for a ship's usage. If there has to be ships in the game that don't see play, I'd rather it be the Starviper than the X-Wing.

Actually that's where you're wrong, unpopular with purists? Yes. Unpopular the fandom? No. It is one the most known and liked starships in the EU.Try E-wing or K-wing (both of which *I* like, but not everyone else is enlightened like me :D)

IM gonna disagree...I see more love for the defender, avenger, and quite a few other EU ships that eclipse the support I see for this horrid travesty of a ship called the "star viper." I get that you like it...I get there are alot of people who like it...but I would call it one of the less popular ships in the sw EU in comparison to some of the ships mentioned above...and thus includes the gunboat and middle boat as well...it's an ugly ship that really doesn't fit in the universe near as I can tell...you are welcome to.disagree...but I would advise against over estimating the support your space mosquito has...I tend to see most people saying it is either ugly as hell or at best it's "Meh...I can deal with it's look I guess."

The **** thing looks silly...

Personally I am glad to see it's getting panned pretty bad. The less I see of the stupid looking thing the better....though I'll hand it to that guy earlier who fixed the wings to go back...that actually doesn't look half bad...still a but silly...but tolerable.

Yeah Starviper was never really THAT popular, only appearing in SOTE and Forces of Corruption.

Other ships, such as ones with Assault, and Gunboat in the names are way more popular.

In other news I played a bit of Mysteries of the Sith yesterday - the amount of DX-9 Stormtrooper transports in that first level!!!

I'll add that I have no real opinion on the star vipers looks, other than eh it looks a bit like a star fury from Bab5, with butterfly wings. But you know what, in it's defense a lot of ships in star wars look goofy.

I am about to say something controversial

The millennium falcon looks ridiculous. There. done. said it.

Off centre cockpit, flat design, but who cares? It looks so unique that it's iconic.

Would a shiny episode 1 clean sparkly chrome plated version look good?

I don't reckon.

Being somewhat mediocre and hard to use effectively and also being unpopular with the Star Wars fandom is not a good combination for a ship's usage. If there has to be ships in the game that don't see play, I'd rather it be the Starviper than the X-Wing.

Actually that's where you're wrong, unpopular with purists? Yes. Unpopular the fandom? No. It is one the most known and liked starships in the EU.Try E-wing or K-wing (both of which *I* like, but not everyone else is enlightened like me :D)

IM gonna disagree...I see more love for the defender, avenger, and quite a few other EU ships that eclipse the support I see for this horrid travesty of a ship called the "star viper." I get that you like it...I get there are alot of people who like it...but I would call it one of the less popular ships in the sw EU in comparison to some of the ships mentioned above...and thus includes the gunboat and middle boat as well...it's an ugly ship that really doesn't fit in the universe near as I can tell...you are welcome to.disagree...but I would advise against over estimating the support your space mosquito has...I tend to see most people saying it is either ugly as hell or at best it's "Meh...I can deal with it's look I guess."

The **** thing looks silly...

Personally I am glad to see it's getting panned pretty bad. The less I see of the stupid looking thing the better....though I'll hand it to that guy earlier who fixed the wings to go back...that actually doesn't look half bad...still a but silly...but tolerable.

Yes there are more popular ships in the EU, but the StarViper still high on the list compared to most EU ships. Again look at the E-wing, K-wing, and Interdictor. I see FAR more hate for them then for the StarViper. I also think a lot of the hate it gets is from the God-awful paint-scheme it has in X-wing.

Yes there are more popular ships in the EU, but the StarViper still high on the list compared to most EU ships. Again look at the E-wing, K-wing, and Interdictor. I see FAR more hate for them then for the StarViper. I also think a lot of the hate it gets is from the God-awful paint-scheme it has in X-wing.

Bad paintjob? it has one of the best, in my opinion. One of the only ships with any attempt at weathering/ wear and tear in its paint job. Real military/paramilitary equipment is not clean and shiny (if it is, then that unit has probably not seen combat yet).

IM gonna disagree...I see more love for the defender, avenger, and quite a few other EU ships that eclipse the support I see for this horrid travesty of a ship called the "star viper."

The **** thing looks silly...

That's a bit harsh. I mean, I get that you don't like it, but travesty?

Appearance like/dislike is entirely subjective. I like the StarViper, others hate it, same with pretty much everything.

On the table, I have had good results with it. I do believe that the Virago title should have been the standard loadout, just to make list building more interesting, but as a one-off inclusion every Viper I have used has been worth its points. It is a centerpiece ship, but does not dominate your list selection as thoroughly as say a Decimator or other large ship. It will be the most powerful ship in your list, but not by as wide a margin, and with more points to use on its escort.

If it has been unpopular, it is because folks seem brain locked into believing there is no middle ground between pure swarms and a huge-ship + whatever I can buy with the leftovers. It is possible for your "center piece" to be less than 50 points. :-)

IM gonna disagree...I see more love for the defender, avenger, and quite a few other EU ships that eclipse the support I see for this horrid travesty of a ship called the "star viper."

The **** thing looks silly...

That's a bit harsh. I mean, I get that you don't like it, but travesty?

I stand by my words :-)

I dislike that ship that much...

IM gonna disagree...I see more love for the defender, avenger, and quite a few other EU ships that eclipse the support I see for this horrid travesty of a ship called the "star viper."

The **** thing looks silly...

That's a bit harsh. I mean, I get that you don't like it, but travesty?

I stand by my words :-)

I dislike that ship that much...

Well, art is subjective. I hate Giger (the artist who did Alien), among other painters. I also have a strong dislike for Howlrunner, but I have reasons other than subjective.

I enjoy the look of the Viper. I prefer Guri and have been using her almost non-stop in furball and casual 100pt matches. I went top 4 with her and Kath in a Store Champ. I plan on flying Guri plus Torkil and Palob at whatever the next tournament I go to is, in casual I'm doing well with that list and it is very fun to see the look on my opponents' faces when they lose an ace in 1 round vs these three.

Guri with Virago, PtL, Adv Sensors, and Auto Thrusters has been how I've kitted her out.

I do admit that I worry my Xizor doesn't do enough damage.

Appearance like/dislike is entirely subjective. I like the StarViper, others hate it, same with pretty much everything.

On the table, I have had good results with it. I do believe that the Virago title should have been the standard loadout, just to make list building more interesting, but as a one-off inclusion every Viper I have used has been worth its points. It is a centerpiece ship, but does not dominate your list selection as thoroughly as say a Decimator or other large ship. It will be the most powerful ship in your list, but not by as wide a margin, and with more points to use on its escort.

If it has been unpopular, it is because folks seem brain locked into believing there is no middle ground between pure swarms and a huge-ship + whatever I can buy with the leftovers. It is possible for your "center piece" to be less than 50 points. :-)

I'm going to second this - I took a xizor plus z swarm to regionals this weekend and for 40 points, a fully loaded xizor is a nightmare to deal with late game. No one really wants to shoot at a tanky Starviper and once your meatshields are gone, you have a deadly arc dodging ace with the attack and defense to make your opponent really work for their kills.

The generics are a bit meh in comparison and like KineticOperator said above, it's a real shame they couldn't come with Virago's upgrades as a standard but unless you end up bouncing one from rock to rock, you'll make your opponent sweat.

Each time I've put one on the table, I've been impressed and I'd be surprised if we don't see them do well as the season goes on.

Heck, Xizor makes it so painful to shoot at him, most don't bother. Could you imagine someone actually ignoring Han or Chewie? It's the best kind of madness