No StarVipers at the tables, no StarViper talk ....

By TheRealStarkiller, in X-Wing

meh, you didn't need that organ anyway

I think I have 3 kidneys ....

... wait ...

... wait ...

no ... only 2 here ... might gonna need them for myself ...

But I might sell my worn underwear ... anybody? :D

Fels Wrath ... would you with play him If he would be only 21 points? ^^

I'd play the MajorJuggler version for full price.

I want that MajorJuggler edition of Fel's Wrath so bad...

I think I have 3 kidneys ....

... wait ...

... wait ...

no ... only 2 here ... might gonna need them for myself ...

But I might sell my worn underwear ... anybody? :D

This look like Japan to you boy?

Internet is everywhere on this planet.

This almost seems like selling organs would be ok for you, but not something mostly harmless like underware...

Internet is everywhere on this planet.

This almost seems like selling organs would be ok for you, but not something mostly harmless like underware...

There are rural areas in america that still rely on dial up.

... meaning? The concept of selling smelly clothes is too unexplored there?

lets better get back to topic. FFG admins don't like smelly postings ;)

I'm new but I was thinking

Xizor + auto thrusters and predator

2 syndicate thug y-wings, ion cannon with BTL-a4

1 naked syndicate thug meant to fly as xizors personal escort (when he can keep up), and for some extra firepower.

100 points even.

Thoughts?

Edited by Etaywah

I'm new but I was thinking

Xizor + auto thrusters and predator

2 syndicate thug y-wings, ion cannon with BTL-a4

1 naked syndicate thug meant to fly as xizors personal escort (when he can keep up) and for some extra firepower.

100 points even.

Thoughts?

Want to know why Starvipers are fantastic? Just run 4 naked PS1 Enforcers. Before your theorize what you think will happen and what will beat it... just go do it. There is a very good reason why FFG did not make these guys 23 points (I still wish they would have mind you).

For those of you wanting this to be a B-wing or an Interceptor: Please continue to think this ship sucks. I personally want to continue to be the only person flying them in numbers. :D

For those curious about possible lists and tactics:

https://community.fantasyflightgames.com/index.php?/topic/137397-the-scarlet-cross-with-pictures/?hl=%20kath

(Two page thread, my Starviper build is featured on page 2)

What is your tactics with 4 Vipers?

And how does your startin setup looks like?

Depends on what I'm going up against. Most of the time I start them in a formation together. I want to control the fight quickly. I use my four ships to block, control lanes, and gain the upper-hand in later rounds. Also, I often don't worry about removing stress if it means putting myself in a better position. The amount of white on its dial makes it very unpredictable. Being without an action is OK if you're not getting shot back at (and even better when you set up a block).

I'm not saying this is the best build in the world. It will cause you to realized the potential of the Starviper quickly though. You'll also be surprised at how well it does against two ship builds and low agility lists like BBBBZ.

I flew 2x enforcers+AT, 2x ion cannon warthogs vs. a well-piloted RAC+Fel the other night. It was the first time I flew it; I made some tactical errors piloting the list, and wasn't able to catch RAC with the Ys. got RAC down to about 6hp left, never touched Fel.

Autothrusters are amazing in that matchup, holy cow. The Y's dial holds it back, and makes it difficult to catch RAC+EU. Might have been able to do it if I'd gone for more of a pincher attack, dunno.

All of the repositioning abilities on the SVs felt wasted at that low PS, but did I mention how good ATs were?

All in all, it was a fun list to try, but it didn't feel top tier to me. Going 1x SV and 2x warthogs would free up points for unhinged astro, which would have helped vs. the rebel captive a lot.

I'd play Wrath for 21 points, absolutely.

Edited by DariusAPB

I flew 2x enforcers+AT, 2x ion cannon warthogs vs. a well-piloted RAC+Fel the other night. It was the first time I flew it; I made some tactical errors piloting the list, and wasn't able to catch RAC with the Ys. got RAC down to about 6hp left, never touched Fel.

Autothrusters are amazing in that matchup, holy cow. The Y's dial holds it back, and makes it difficult to catch RAC+EU. Might have been able to do it if I'd gone for more of a pincher attack, dunno.

All of the repositioning abilities on the SVs felt wasted at that low PS, but did I mention how good ATs were?

All in all, it was a fun list to try, but it didn't feel top tier to me. Going 1x SV and 2x warthogs would free up points for unhinged astro, which would have helped vs. the rebel captive a lot.

Fly the list again as is. Sound like you learned a lot from that game. Don't be afraid to use the Enforces and your Y-wings as blockers. Give your opponent nowhere safe to go.

Edited by Stone37

I flew 2x enforcers+AT, 2x ion cannon warthogs vs. a well-piloted RAC+Fel the other night. It was the first time I flew it; I made some tactical errors piloting the list, and wasn't able to catch RAC with the Ys. got RAC down to about 6hp left, never touched Fel.

Autothrusters are amazing in that matchup, holy cow. The Y's dial holds it back, and makes it difficult to catch RAC+EU. Might have been able to do it if I'd gone for more of a pincher attack, dunno.

All of the repositioning abilities on the SVs felt wasted at that low PS, but did I mention how good ATs were?

All in all, it was a fun list to try, but it didn't feel top tier to me. Going 1x SV and 2x warthogs would free up points for unhinged astro, which would have helped vs. the rebel captive a lot.

Fly the list again as is. Sound like you learned a lot from that game. Don't be afraid to use the Enforces and you Y-wings as blockers. Give your opponent nowhere safe to go.

I wasn't ever in a position to block; RAC with EU is hard to catch, and turning around to try and get Fel was even less likely to succeed. My thought at the time was to use the Ys to keep Fel off the SVs harassing RAC, but it ended up just putting them out of position to be useful. That Y dial is just so limiting without an astromech to green it up a bit.

The RAC+Fel player was a friend, so I could probably get a rematch, though I don't think he's super enthused about flying the list. I'll probably break it out again at some point, but my current tournament list is something else. When I've got the time to sink into list experimentation I'll probably go with some other starviper list, just to mix it up. I really want to get the scum firespray on the table.

Mandalorian Mercenary (35)

Predator (3)

Recon Specialist (3)

Inertial Dampeners (1)

Guri (30)

Predator (3)

Autothrusters (2)

N'Dru Suhlak (17)

Lone Wolf (2)

Cluster Missiles (4)

Total: 100

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Too many hours in the day that aren't X-Wing, IMO.

you guys won't believe it, but this list destroyed brobots, twin decis, soontir, shuttle 3ap and boba/kath today.

Guri [Lone Wolf, Autothrusters] (34)

Prince Xizor [Autothrusters, Virago, Fire-Control System] (36)

Kavil [blaster Turret, R4 Agromech] (30)

then i flew
xizor vi and 5 pirates and slew 4 wart hogs and boba/kath again. we will test both builds against 4bz, chewie plus talas and soontir deci on sunday and then well have a better dataset in order to determine if the lists are fun fred or can maybe become competitive at some point. it sure seems like.
now I've flown the xizor swarm with adv sense/pred vizor and xisor vi. i just can't say whats better. adv sense is probably better in the late game, and it makes that sloop so much better. it is also strong to ALWAYS have a focus on him. makes thrusters much better and his survivability goes up big time. fcs, vi and dampeners is good too, though. having ps 9 is so great against some lists.
any opinions on whats the best way to go?
Edited by Scoundrel

I've lost count of how many times I've said it in this thread, so forgive me for repeating myself.

But I love my 40 point xizor (vi, title, fcs, autothrusters, inertial dampeners and flechette torp) and 5 binayres. Even with Initiative I can find it hard vs a well flown Fel. Fire control system and flechette torp makes him fly really really carefully around xizor, even if turtled. also threatens bro bots (or at least one of them), nothing like the threat of a flechette to make people reconsider ending up with double stress.

Though my list sits at 100 points as opposed to 98, and I do miss the initiative bid sometimes.

I'm yet to try anything else out on Xizor, and I don't really want to. PS7 just doesn't seem to cut it, either go big or go home :D

Adv sensors is lovely, there is no getting around that, but the star viper dial is pretty decent (as long as you aren't hung up on clearing stress) and FCS is just so **** nice vs the amount of high hitpoint or very dodgy ships around, it basically gives you ptl, as long as one of your actions was to TL a ship ;)

Adv sensors helps if you sloop, but so does having a few z's nearby (baring really bad dice rolling, which focus doesnt always help either).

I'm taking my list to a small tournament tomorrow (16 person I think) so we'll see how it holds up.

I flew 2x enforcers+AT, 2x ion cannon warthogs vs. a well-piloted RAC+Fel the other night. It was the first time I flew it; I made some tactical errors piloting the list, and wasn't able to catch RAC with the Ys. got RAC down to about 6hp left, never touched Fel.Autothrusters are amazing in that matchup, holy cow. The Y's dial holds it back, and makes it difficult to catch RAC+EU. Might have been able to do it if I'd gone for more of a pincher attack, dunno.All of the repositioning abilities on the SVs felt wasted at that low PS, but did I mention how good ATs were?All in all, it was a fun list to try, but it didn't feel top tier to me. Going 1x SV and 2x warthogs would free up points for unhinged astro, which would have helped vs. the rebel captive a lot.

Fly the list again as is. Sound like you learned a lot from that game. Don't be afraid to use the Enforces and you Y-wings as blockers. Give your opponent nowhere safe to go.

I wasn't ever in a position to block; RAC with EU is hard to catch, and turning around to try and get Fel was even less likely to succeed. My thought at the time was to use the Ys to keep Fel off the SVs harassing RAC, but it ended up just putting them out of position to be useful. That Y dial is just so limiting without an astromech to green it up a bit. The RAC+Fel player was a friend, so I could probably get a rematch, though I don't think he's super enthused about flying the list. I'll probably break it out again at some point, but my current tournament list is something else. When I've got the time to sink into list experimentation I'll probably go with some other starviper list, just to mix it up. I really want to get the scum firespray on the table. Mandalorian Mercenary (35)Predator (3)Recon Specialist (3)Inertial Dampeners (1)Guri (30)Predator (3)Autothrusters (2)N'Dru Suhlak (17)Lone Wolf (2)Cluster Missiles (4)Total: 100View in Yet Another Squad Builder Too many hours in the day that aren't X-Wing, IMO.

I won a tournament with 2 Enforcers and Kath. Details in the link I placed in a previous post in this thread. I'm thinking about trying two Starvipers with an IG88 next.

I really liked advanced sensors and tried it a few times, but the prevalence of large base ships makes FCS my go-to. It lets you action stack for more accurate shots. Often just the TL will be enough to generate 3 hits and you can save your focus for defense.

So there were 14 players at this small spring kit tournament. Including 4 brobots, a z feedback swarm, 2 ig and firespray builds, a decimator and 2 interceptors, 2 interceptors and a shuttle, 4 interceptors and a few others.

battle report here ;)

Edited by nurglez

I went to a sprint tournament, as well. I am not sure on all players, but I think there were 15? We played 4 rounds and I went with Xizor. I'll do a write up on Monday, but my Xizor list made it into the Top 4. There were two undefeated players going into the last game and I was one. So, I could've won it all. Everyone was very surprised by the list, though. There were some serious tournament guys that go to Atlanta all the time and they didn't expect my list to do as well.

Oh, my list was nicknamed "Prince and the New Power Generation".

Edited by heychadwick

I went to a sprint tournament, as well. I am not sure on all players, but I think there were 15? We played 4 rounds and I went with Xizor. I'll do a write up on Monday, but my Xizor list made it into the Top 4. There were two undefeated players going into the last game and I was one. So, I could've won it all. Everyone was very surprised by the list, though. There were some serious tournament guys that go to Atlanta all the time and they didn't expect my list to do as well.

Oh, my list was nicknamed "Prince and the New Power Generation".

I am looking forward to reading this battle report.

I'm also looking forward to reading about your battles Heychadwick.

I went to a sprint tournament, as well. I am not sure on all players, but I think there were 15? We played 4 rounds and I went with Xizor. I'll do a write up on Monday, but my Xizor list made it into the Top 4. There were two undefeated players going into the last game and I was one. So, I could've won it all. Everyone was very surprised by the list, though. There were some serious tournament guys that go to Atlanta all the time and they didn't expect my list to do as well.

Oh, my list was nicknamed "Prince and the New Power Generation".

Cant wait. could you spoil the Xizor setup? classic vi, AS or something new?

Prince and the New Power Generation

Xizor w/ VI, Virago, Fire Control System, Inertial Dampeners, Autothrusters, Flechette Torpedoe

5 x Binayre Pirates

I just wish that Guri and Xizor were a point or two higher in PS. This would let their highly positional arc-dodging natures come to the forefront, and you'd see a lot more play with 'em accordingly.

The whole 'Scum has low PS' is out the window in their second wave anyway, so why not? :P

Virago 1 pt

Title, StarViper only.

Add the [system] and [illicit] slots to your upgrade bar.

Increase your Pilot Skill by 1.

You cannot equip this card if your pilot skill is 4 or lower.

Et voila. Throw it on a PS 6 Guri or PS 8 Xizor... and it's not really PS 9, honest. The Scum lower-PS-faction myth is maintained; it's just that the ship practically flies itself! ;)