We're about to have a steady stream of new Star Wars movies to bring new ship types to the universe for us to want tiny models of to play with.

We had three new movies a decade ago and yet almost non of us will want that trash polluting the awesomeness that is starwars

I doubt that JJ will do any better than the last 30 years of material.

Why do so many people act like the ship designs were the bad parts of the PT? The ships were fine, the conflicts and basic ideas for the factions were fine, it was the writing, directing, and especially the romance and Jarjar that were the bad parts.

Yeah I would have preferred a wider variaty of sizes in the PT warships rather then the all big ship fleets we got

, and yes I know Clone Wars ha a few smaller warships, but that doesn't mean the designs that were in it were bad ones.

Wow can't believe I forgot the Lancer, yea add that one to my list.

Oh god, please no. It really does just look like a flying dildo.

Do you oppose the space program (rockets) or submarines on the same grounds?

If someone was hopeful of model space shuttles and submarines to make an appearance in Armada, then I would oppose that, for sure. But for different reasons. The Lancer is an ugly ship that made no appearance in the films and doesnt match the iconic "dagger" look of the other Imperial ships. It's undeniably phallic shape is really just the icing on the cake. I really don't think it has any place in the Armada lineup.

Its phallic shape is still the argument you (and many others) mention as the knee jerk, rather than the iconic-ness or movie appearances. I wonder what that means, but I'm not enough of a Freudian to begin the speculation.

There are a ton of things that didn't show up in the movies, and we've already crossed that threshold with the Gladiator and the Assault Frigate. The Assault Frigate doesn't have an iconic look, and the Gladiator comes from a 1980s cartoon and is pretty obscure.

While the Lancer may not be much of a feature in your exposure to Star Wars, it permeates the different sources of Star Wars vastly more than either the Gladiator or the Assault Frigate do. Take both of their lists of appearances and sources from Wookieepedia and count the items. Now add them together, and then double that number. Merry Christmas, you still have 7 items to go until you equal the number of appearances and sources that the Lancer has been in.

Now, I'll grant you this: The Lancer has not been in a lot of video games, which is where FFG does seem to draw a lot of their material from, and which the Gladiator and Assault Frigate do come out of. So, those two probably have more purchase in the minds of FFG's target audience (Millennials who grew up on the vid games, rather than crusty old Gen-Xers like me who grew up on the books and roleplaying games).

Why do so many people act like the ship designs were the bad parts of the PT? The ships were fine, the conflicts and basic ideas for the factions were fine, it was the writing, directing, and especially the romance and Jarjar that were the bad parts.

Yeah I would have preferred a wider variaty of sizes in the PT warships rather then the all big ship fleets we got

, and yes I know Clone Wars ha a few smaller warships, but that doesn't mean the designs that were in it were bad ones.

So many people? I see Pikciwok added some emoticons to his suggestion of including the Naboo N-1, but right below his post lordreaven448 suggests including the Acclamator. Nobody jumped his case for it either.

I think the inclusion of the Acclamator and the Venator classes are perfectly acceptable, even if the latter looks like Jar Jar Binks' face. But FFG has indicated that they're not looking at the Prequels as a source for their game material, so maybe we're just taking our cue from that and not spending our brain cells trying to figure out what they might include.

With regards to the lancer class frigate, I feel like the Raider fills the same role in the fleet without looking like a space-weiner spraying ugly all over the board.

I'm pretty sure we are going to see at least one or two episode 7 ships in either wave 3 or 4. If 4, they only really need one more wave of ships to come from the previous EU or trilogy era. I would speculate that the time is right for a Dreadnaught (which also kinda looks like a space wiener) or maybe a Strike cruiser (a slightly smaller space-weiner)

Wave three, Popping up in your lap Winter 2015.

Imperials:

- Escort Carrier

- Dreadnought

- Interdictor

Rebels:

- Winged Calamari Cruiser

- Assault Frigate Mark I

- Flurry-style escort carrier

Both sides\ Independent for Scenarios:

- Bulk Freighters, Modular Conveyors and various containers ( These could perhaps be in a mixed box like the old BFG-transport set)

- Various stations/platforms (I'm thinking the old customs stations from the Tie Fighter era along with Golan platforms).

My hopes for Wave 3:

Interdictor -cruiser (good for scenarios as noted above)

Strike -cruiser

Lamda -shuttle and generic shuttles (good for scenerios involving escape/rescue/boarding actions/Rebel base-evacuations, etc)

Dreadnaught (with stat card for both Empire and Alliance)

Rebel Transport vessel (with stat cards for Rebel, Imperial or Civilian usage)

Alright, I think the Vindicator and it's brethren might have some design space.

6 hull, 1 more than the gladiator, and 2 less than the Victory.

Shields would be awkward, I don't know how to make them different that the gladiator or victory.

Same with the commands.

But, it could have an aces pack, one with the Immobilizer 418 and the Carrier Variant model in the same box. The carrier would have hanger-bays coming out of the sides, and the Immobilizor 418 would have the classic four domes.

And because it would be an equivalent of an aces box, we could call a Fleet Box or something, it would have lots of cardboard chits and a little mini book for rules and missions. It would be perfect, 2 new hull variants (not just repaints) of the vindicator, and lots of missions/objective cards or something to make the Interdiction field do something.

That's my wish. But what would make the Vindicator different from the Victory and Gladiator?

Its phallic shape is still the argument you (and many others) mention as the knee jerk, rather than the iconic-ness or movie appearances. I wonder what that means, but I'm not enough of a Freudian to begin the speculation.

There are a ton of things that didn't show up in the movies, and we've already crossed that threshold with the Gladiator and the Assault Frigate. The Assault Frigate doesn't have an iconic look, and the Gladiator comes from a 1980s cartoon and is pretty obscure.

While the Lancer may not be much of a feature in your exposure to Star Wars, it permeates the different sources of Star Wars vastly more than either the Gladiator or the Assault Frigate do. Take both of their lists of appearances and sources from Wookieepedia and count the items. Now add them together, and then double that number. Merry Christmas, you still have 7 items to go until you equal the number of appearances and sources that the Lancer has been in.

Now, I'll grant you this: The Lancer has not been in a lot of video games, which is where FFG does seem to draw a lot of their material from, and which the Gladiator and Assault Frigate do come out of. So, those two probably have more purchase in the minds of FFG's target audience (Millennials who grew up on the vid games, rather than crusty old Gen-Xers like me who grew up on the books and roleplaying games).

I realise the ships already chosen are not part of the OT, but at least the ships in waves 1 and 2 still fit the Imperial theme. The Gladiator still follows the same design principle as the Star Destroyers, and at least the Assault Frigate can claim to be part of the Rebel fleet, who have no over-arching design principle. Yes, the Lancer has been around for a long time, but I really think it needs to be left in the EU, not brought onto the tabletop. It's just an ugly ship, and it's role has already been supplanted by the Raider.

Now, I don't know how the Lancer came into existence, but I'd hazard a guess that it started life as a text description, not a model or an image. The ships in the movies, and to a less extent the video games, were all created with the top priority of looking cool, and I think the Lancer suffered for not having someone step back and really ask the question if it's design fit the rest of the Imperial fleet.

Amoung the ot ships we are still missing:

Rebels:

GR-75 Medium Transport

Imperials:

Lamda-class Shuttle

Super Star Destroyer

I'd like to see Escort Carriers for both fleets. Maybe fielding one gives you extra points for squadrons?

Maybe Dreadnoughts as well but have them be usable with either fleet. I would like to see some neutral faction fleets that could be the core of a third faction and extra options for Rebel and Imperial.

I'd like to see Escort Carriers for both fleets. Maybe fielding one gives you extra points for squadrons?

I really like the concept of allowing a ship to increase the amount of points you can spend on squadrons. I'm not sure how effective it would be, but it's a really cool thought I'd be excited to play around with.

this is what I would like to see in future wave's ( no matter the "Era"):

Vindicator (and variants), Acclamator, Venator, Tector (Impstar III), Dominator (Impstar IV "Interdictor"), and of course the Executer (as long as it is worthy). I would love to see the separatist ships ( can't remember any of them or the Rebelllions ship class names at the moment). plus the fighters to go along with them all.

Wow can't believe I forgot the Lancer, yea add that one to my list.

Oh god, please no. It really does just look like a flying dildo.

Do you oppose the space program (rockets) or submarines on the same grounds?

If someone was hopeful of model space shuttles and submarines to make an appearance in Armada, then I would oppose that, for sure. But for different reasons. The Lancer is an ugly ship that made no appearance in the films and doesnt match the iconic "dagger" look of the other Imperial ships. It's undeniably phallic shape is really just the icing on the cake. I really don't think it has any place in the Armada lineup.

Its phallic shape is still the argument you (and many others) mention as the knee jerk, rather than the iconic-ness or movie appearances. I wonder what that means, but I'm not enough of a Freudian to begin the speculation.

There are a ton of things that didn't show up in the movies, and we've already crossed that threshold with the Gladiator and the Assault Frigate. The Assault Frigate doesn't have an iconic look, and the Gladiator comes from a 1980s cartoon and is pretty obscure.

While the Lancer may not be much of a feature in your exposure to Star Wars, it permeates the different sources of Star Wars vastly more than either the Gladiator or the Assault Frigate do. Take both of their lists of appearances and sources from Wookieepedia and count the items. Now add them together, and then double that number. Merry Christmas, you still have 7 items to go until you equal the number of appearances and sources that the Lancer has been in.

Now, I'll grant you this: The Lancer has not been in a lot of video games, which is where FFG does seem to draw a lot of their material from, and which the Gladiator and Assault Frigate do come out of. So, those two probably have more purchase in the minds of FFG's target audience (Millennials who grew up on the vid games, rather than crusty old Gen-Xers like me who grew up on the books and roleplaying games).

Why do so many people act like the ship designs were the bad parts of the PT? The ships were fine, the conflicts and basic ideas for the factions were fine, it was the writing, directing, and especially the romance and Jarjar that were the bad parts.

Yeah I would have preferred a wider variaty of sizes in the PT warships rather then the all big ship fleets we got

, and yes I know Clone Wars ha a few smaller warships, but that doesn't mean the designs that were in it were bad ones.

So many people? I see Pikciwok added some emoticons to his suggestion of including the Naboo N-1, but right below his post lordreaven448 suggests including the Acclamator. Nobody jumped his case for it either.

I think the inclusion of the Acclamator and the Venator classes are perfectly acceptable, even if the latter looks like Jar Jar Binks' face. But FFG has indicated that they're not looking at the Prequels as a source for their game material, so maybe we're just taking our cue from that and not spending our brain cells trying to figure out what they might include.

I'm pretty sure the Lancer has been in more games then either the Assault Frigate Mk II or the Gladiator actually. The Assault Frigate Mk II only appeared in Empire at War and its expansion AFAIk, the Gladiator never appeared in a game outside cutscenes while the Lancer appeared in at least one X-Wing game, Rebellion, and I believe it showed up in Galaxies as well.

With regards to the lancer class frigate, I feel like the Raider fills the same role in the fleet without looking like a space-weiner spraying ugly all over the board.

I'm pretty sure we are going to see at least one or two episode 7 ships in either wave 3 or 4. If 4, they only really need one more wave of ships to come from the previous EU or trilogy era. I would speculate that the time is right for a Dreadnaught (which also kinda looks like a space wiener) or maybe a Strike cruiser (a slightly smaller space-weiner)

Wave three, Popping up in your lap Winter 2015.

Unless each new movie, ST and side films alike, includes enough new capital ships for each side to have a couple of waves worth they will probably keep drawing designs from the EU/Legends material IMO.

No one is going to say it? OK, Torpedo Sphere.

I realise the ships already chosen are not part of the OT, but at least the ships in waves 1 and 2 still fit the Imperial theme. The Gladiator still follows the same design principle as the Star Destroyers, and at least the Assault Frigate can claim to be part of the Rebel fleet, who have no over-arching design principle. Yes, the Lancer has been around for a long time, but I really think it needs to be left in the EU, not brought onto the tabletop. It's just an ugly ship, and it's role has already been supplanted by the Raider.

Now, I don't know how the Lancer came into existence, but I'd hazard a guess that it started life as a text description, not a model or an image. The ships in the movies, and to a less extent the video games, were all created with the top priority of looking cool, and I think the Lancer suffered for not having someone step back and really ask the question if it's design fit the rest of the Imperial fleet.

Well, we'll see if all of FFG's Imperial ships have to be triangles of doom to fit your restrictive preferences.

For my part, the Lancer looks like a WWII-era submarine, which I rather like. My mind doesn't revolve around phallic associations, I guess. Though, I hear that triangles have been used to symbolize the female pubic area. Is that okay with you, or should Lucasfilm reconsider the Empire's basic design too?

It didn't start off as a description; just a name and a statline in the Star Wars Rules Companion . However it was given an image in the Imperial Sourcebook within a year of the former's publication. It also appeared in the Zahn Trilogy (which was, thus, described rather than drawn out). Zahn drew on the roleplaying products for the hardware he introduced.

It is the case that the Raider -class also has an anti-fighter role, and I do think that it's an awesome ship. (I have the Raider for X-Wing on pre-order.) However, as a corvette I see it as having multiple roles, whereas the Lancer is a dedicated anti-fighter frigate. In the X-Wing novels it's a notorious killer.

But anyway, your argument seems to ultimately be aesthetic. That's fine. We'll see what FFG does. They certainly seem to be adhering to a certain style theme in X-Wing, so maybe they'll keep you happy in Armada as well.

Double post by mistake - it's what happens when you hit quote rather than edit.

My mind doesn't revolve around phallic associations, I guess. Though, I hear that triangles have been used to symbolize the female pubic area. Is that okay with you, or should Lucasfilm reconsider the Empire's basic design too?

No need to be so touchy.

Katana Class dreadnaught

liberty type mon cal cruiser

interdictor

majestic class heavy cruiser

Okay, what I would like to see in wave 3? More space randomness! Nebulae with random effects, moving comets, sun flares, black holes, pulsars, ship graveyards, you name it.. theres a TON of dangerous/mysterious stuff out there in the star wars universe, yet all I have at my disposal to simulate all these horrors is.. some asteroids and debris? I really would like to have the possibility to transform my gaming mat in the hazard some space regions deserve to be, may be even with some twister-like turnwheel to determine some global effects.. and since we are at the djinns market making wishes, how about some golan plattforms and rules to play sieges?

One of the big ones on my list is the dreadnaught. I just think it looks cool and they feature alot in all my favourite canon. It could be ship available to both sides. In game terms i feel like it would be medium size with heavy ion cannon broadsides and about 6 hull points.

Tartan/lancer/carrack also really appeal to me and interdictor could have some interesting applications.

Winged Mon cal would be great. Maybe a medium version.

With regards to the lancer class frigate, I feel like the Raider fills the same role in the fleet without looking like a space-weiner spraying ugly all over the board.

I'm pretty sure we are going to see at least one or two episode 7 ships in either wave 3 or 4. If 4, they only really need one more wave of ships to come from the previous EU or trilogy era. I would speculate that the time is right for a Dreadnaught (which also kinda looks like a space wiener) or maybe a Strike cruiser (a slightly smaller space-weiner)

Wave three, Popping up in your lap Winter 2015.

Lots of EU nostalgia glasses on in this post. I'm hoping wave 3 will have episode 7 stuff with maybe the MC80 Liberty and an Interdictor for interesting game mechanic reasons.

Don't get me wrong, I too grew up with some of the EU stuff but most of it is better left forgotten or completely redesigned. A bunch of space weiners? No thanks. Though I did drop a Home One in the can this morning!

Looking at this thread has reinforced my view that once wave 2 hits the game is largely complete from my perspective. Nothing leaps out as a 'holy moly must buy' moment. Don't get me wrong, I would likely buy whatever they release but wave 2 looks to be the zenith of original trilogy awesomeness. Going to be interesting to see where they take the game long term.

I tend to agree. I imagine there is some marketing strategy behind that, too. How long will the average player stay excited and willing to fork over a chunk of cash? Get the big iconic things out first. I'm prone to purchasing 4-6 ISDs, not because they are playable in standard games. Rather, I want to play fleet action games, not skirmish level engagements.

Dreadnoughts with blistering side blisters. Apparently even though they take a crew of a star destroyer and are really short, they can beat a victory in a straight up slug-fest. Then again, the victory has the multi-role going for it, while these are just straight up warships, without luxuries of large hangers and landing crafts for AT-AT's and stuff.

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I dunno how to implement something like this AND a Vindicator when the Gladiator is already their, but i think this would be a high hull, low shield ship. Maybe 2 on front and 1 on sides or something, but with like 6 hull. If you have ever played Empire At War, you know these things are ****. Black and red dice on the front, with 1 or 2 red dice on the sides will leave much to be desired. But it would be a filler ship, and maybe bring some cool upgrades to the game as well! It should struggle against a Nebulon B

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This thing:

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Both forms of the Imperial Intridictors:

I can already taste the cardboard tokens...

Everything has been mentioned that I'd like to see, except the Golan I-III defense platforms. They'd be great for scenarios and would add an interesting dynamic. At the earliest, I see this in Wave 5 or 6, though, if it comes at all.

Everything has been mentioned that I'd like to see, except the Golan I-III defense platforms. They'd be great for scenarios and would add an interesting dynamic. At the earliest, I see this in Wave 5 or 6, though, if it comes at all.

Agreed all around. I like the concept as a later wave item, something to change how we play the game after we've been playing for a while.