I had a situation regarding Guri and her ability which grants a focus token if within range 1 of an enemy ship at the start of the firing phase.

We had all moved, agreed that all actions were taken and then, whilst I was reaching for my focus token, my opponent had rolled his PS9 Soontir Fel attack dice against Guri.

Now, the issue is this: He chose to shoot Guri because she had no tokens (apart from a TL), however she WOULD have had a token if my opponent had allowed me to put one next to her. I explained that she would of had a token as it is at the start of the phase but then I was hit with the "missed opportunity" rule. I was a little miffed as it was actually my opponent which caused me to miss my opportunity. TO was called, couldn't make a decision because it was a he said, I said situation and the opportunity was missed. Sucks.

After the attack and the stubborn nature of my opponent, I successfully evaded and shot another target, luckily I didn't need the focus anyway but after that it kind of ruined the game. I started putting the focus token on after I had done my action on Guri instead of at the start of the phase to which this then got called on. Started an argument and then when I managed to win, he stormed off.

Confronted the guy afterwards and asked why he kept forcing me to miss opportunities and would he do the same to someone using Roark for example, he said he wasn't at fault and I should have thrown the token down as soon as Soontir had finished.

Hmm yeah tourney rules specifically mention not rushing your opponent with the intention of forcing a missed opportunity.

Seems like you got unlucky with your opponent there. I have been quite fortunate in that all of the tourneys I have been to have been quite relaxed even at the top tables.

Sooner or later we all run into TFG.

Having only been to fairly small store championships (max sixteen) I have mostly (MOSTLY) encountered similarly casually minded players to myself, and therefore when stuff happens that seems a bit potentially dodgy, we have hashed it out and reached agreement between ourselves. I had one at my last tourney where there was literally a *** papers width of space between my ship and his when I had finished the move, but I kept the template in place, went back again and demonstrated that the gap, however infinitessimally small, was in fact there and he agreed.

Tomorrow I am at Cardiff for the regionals where there will be 64 folks in attendance from much further afield so I am a little nervous to be honest but we will just have to see how we go

with the cloak token your opponent had every right to say no

As I'm not familiar with X-Wing tournament rules (so far there have been none in my area ):

Are there any formal announcements required for moving between phases?

Are you in any way forbidden to touch your dials after you have revealed them until it is time to set them up again ?

That is my thought process as well.

Picking up your dials is not a clear indication that you have transitioned passed your current ship's action phase. If my last ship shoots, and that ship has a post shooting action, I should be able to look at the dials of my ships before I decide that action.

Also, even if you picked up dials without the above intent, unless a statement of "we are transitioning to a new round" has been announced, that ships shooting turn can not be assumed to be over.

I think a clear way to handle this is to require a clear announcement of ending each ship's turn and/or moving to the next phase. For example, announcing "Combat Phase" when there are actions that require "at the start of combat".

It certainly isn't correct for an oppoent to skip/rush a certain step without my consent.

For the example from Toresse, if the opponent didn't say "are you set with the Phantom?", or if Toresse didn't say "I am set with the Phantom", then the opponent shouldn't be able to enforce a ruling, since there was no clear indication that Toresse was done. Body language can indicate a possible change, and is good for keeping the flow of the game fast and casual, but if a player wants to enforce a "missed opportunity", it better be very clear that the next phase has begun (picking up tokens, etc etc).

A simple example, I have Roark, my opponent has a PS 9 Soontir. We finish activation phase and right away (on purpose or not) he picks up dice, declares a target and rolls the dice. If my opponent rushed passed the phase and has already rolled dice, should I be able to say "hey you skipped my Roark?", or should the opponent be able to say "you missed the opportunity when I rolled these dice".

What if the opponent even convinced me to roll Green Dice before I realize he rushed the Combat Phase transition and skipped Roark's activation?

(Of course, if I started an attack and skipped Roark on my own, that is MY fault, and is clearly a missed opportunity.)

A TO could obviously rule it either way based on which player sells his story better, and I don't like that. Maybe the tournament rules need to include a statement of "Clear Phase Transition Intent", stating that it must be made clear when a ship ends his turn and a new phase begins, and if this isn't made clear, enforcing a missed opportunity will be much more difficult. We are gonna need a "Phase Counter" or something to make this make sense though...

As long as you use an FFG goat, all is well. 3rd party goats have to be approved by the TO.

with the cloak token your opponent had every right to say no

As I'm not familiar with X-Wing tournament rules (so far there have been none in my area ):

Are there any formal announcements required for moving between phases?

Are you in any way forbidden to touch your dials after you have revealed them until it is time to set them up again ?

ACD kicks in after the attack not at the end of the phase. "After you perform an attack, you may perform a free cloak action." you do this before moving down the poilt skill chain to the next ship even if just cheacking arc..

In tournaments its best to get into the habbit of declaring what you are doing before you do it. espichley "may" abilities

not realy "formal announcements" most of us in our group use easy terms like "dials" (end of phase) and "shoting" (start of combat)

you can touch you dials when ever you want. just be carefull after everyone who could shoot has shot when you pick up your dials your opponent might see that as you moving on. during the activation phase you must tell you opponent before you do so or they might accuse you of cheating

Also, if things like this come up where both players disagree on whether something should be called a missed opportunity, just suggest a Dice Roll. The Dice Roll rule is put into the rules for THESE reasons (and measurement rulings). Just don't try to abuse it!

At last years Regionals my 2nd round opponent forgot to set his dial for his Fat Falcon. I called over the TO (but we both knew what was going to happen) and I flew it off the board. I felt bad but anything straight or to the left was off the board for him and I told him that in a tournament you make that kind of mistake once, and then you've learned it. I picked a 4 red straight on a Y-wing during a tournament and I flew off the board the following round instead of K-turning.

Had to call a TO over once because my opponent took issue to me using a laser line to see if a ship was in arc or needed to boost

You called over a TO because your opponent wouldn't allow you to make an illegal measurement?

At last years Regionals my 2nd round opponent forgot to set his dial for his Fat Falcon. I called over the TO (but we both knew what was going to happen) and I flew it off the board. I felt bad but anything straight or to the left was off the board for him and I told him that in a tournament you make that kind of mistake once, and then you've learned it. I picked a 4 red straight on a Y-wing during a tournament and I flew off the board the following round instead of K-turning.

How does this even happen? I don't consider dial placement done until my opponent has placed both dials, and I always ask if they're ready before flipping my dials, so I can't imagine a situation where this could be the case

If my opponent takes a break, comes back reeking of goat's blood, and starts rolling crazy good, I'm calling the TO over. I've already had to do it twice at Store Championships and gotten 1 kicked out.

I disagreed with my opponent at a SC last month that his maneuver he chose was illegal. We had his Bounty Hunter directly facing and touching my Biggs. Because nubs were involved, a 1 straight maneuver would end with him bumping. He disagreed and said he's be happy to call the TO over. I decided against it because I wanted to play it through as quickly as possible. I should have called over the TO. I won that match but I could have won better had we played that correctly.

My first match in that tournament I did call the TO over because my opponent and I generally had no clue if it was a legal thing. I wondered if Corran Horn can check for range and firing arc during the End Phase without declaring an attack or if he had to commit. It was ruled that I could freely measure. Didn't matter for that round as it turns out I had no shot.

When it is a ship's turn to attack they are allowed to determine arc and range to any target before declaring an attack. And even after they do, they don't have to actually attack if they don't choose to. I can't see those rules changing for Corran in the End Phase.

When has it been illegal to check LOS?

Based on your example. It sounds like you wanted to check to see if a ship was in arc or not, before you decided what action to take.

This is completely illegal, you can not check arc's until you are in the attack phase.

When has it been illegal to check LOS?

Based on your example. It sounds like you wanted to check to see if a ship was in arc or not, before you decided what action to take.This is completely illegal, you can not check arc's until you are in the attack phase.

More specifically I believe it crosses the line of legality because you wanted to use something other than your eyeball to do so.

As long as you use an FFG goat, all is well. 3rd party goats have to be approved by the TO.

I think FFG really brought the frequent proxying of goats upon themselves by only including two in every Ark of Noah expansion. Forcing every player to get such a Huge Ship just to stay competitive was simply plain stupid.

Had to call a TO over once because my opponent took issue to me using a laser line to see if a ship was in arc or needed to boost

You called over a TO because your opponent wouldn't allow you to make an illegal measurement?

When has it been illegal to check LOS?

You can always attempt to eyeball it and determine firing arcs, but you can't use a tool or a range ruler to check arc unless:

From the FAQ, page 6:

Measuring Range

Players may only measure range and/or use the range ruler to determine whether a ship is inside or outside of a firing arc at the following times:

• When a ship becomes the active ship during the combat phase, the active player can measure range from the active ship to any enemy ships before declaring one as its target.

• When a player declares a ship’s ability that requires another ship (or ships) to be at a certain range, the player trying to resolve the ability can measure range from their ship to any valid ships before resolving the ability.

• After declaring the intended target of a target lock action, the active player may measure range to the intended target, and only to the intended target.

More specifically I believe it crosses the line of legality because you wanted to use something other than your eyeball to do so.

True, you can eyeball it if you want, but using a laser or other device prior to the attack phase is not allowed.

One of my favorite tournament moments happened at last years regionals. The game next to me was pretty close, a few b wings against some x wings. Guy with the b-wings is on a roll, marching forward. He flips a dial, and says "advanced sensors" and x wing guy (instantaequitas here on the forums) stops him dead and says that advanced sensors has to be used before the dial reveal.

B-wing guy loses it. Proceeds to completely flub the match.

That's technically correct, but a real jerk thing to do. You can check your dials at any time (including directly before revealing them) and until you have actually laid a template down or executed a maneuver it makes zero functional difference on the game since there is no new information.

I had a situation regarding Guri and her ability which grants a focus token if within range 1 of an enemy ship at the start of the firing phase.

We had all moved, agreed that all actions were taken and then, whilst I was reaching for my focus token, my opponent had rolled his PS9 Soontir Fel attack dice against Guri.

Now, the issue is this: He chose to shoot Guri because she had no tokens (apart from a TL), however she WOULD have had a token if my opponent had allowed me to put one next to her. I explained that she would of had a token as it is at the start of the phase but then I was hit with the "missed opportunity" rule. I was a little miffed as it was actually my opponent which caused me to miss my opportunity. TO was called, couldn't make a decision because it was a he said, I said situation and the opportunity was missed. Sucks.

After the attack and the stubborn nature of my opponent, I successfully evaded and shot another target, luckily I didn't need the focus anyway but after that it kind of ruined the game. I started putting the focus token on after I had done my action on Guri instead of at the start of the phase to which this then got called on. Started an argument and then when I managed to win, he stormed off.

Confronted the guy afterwards and asked why he kept forcing me to miss opportunities and would he do the same to someone using Roark for example, he said he wasn't at fault and I should have thrown the token down as soon as Soontir had finished.

Missed Opportunities

The player was both Win-At-All-Costs and also in the wrong. When the TO was called over, that section should should have been read to the offending player, and ruled in your favor. If it happened a second time, the offending player should have been penalized with up to the immediate forfeiture of all his ships remaining on the table and loss of game. Third time, ejection from the tournament. Sorry, but that's a very clear case of repeatedly trying to break the rules to gain an advantage.

Had to call a TO over once because my opponent took issue to me using a laser line to see if a ship was in arc or needed to boost

You called over a TO because your opponent wouldn't allow you to make an illegal measurement?

When has it been illegal to check LOS?

You are only allowed to check range and arc under specific situations. Arc can only be checked for example in Step 1 of the Combat phase (declaring a target). You can't check arc unless the game state somehow triggers off of it. (R7-T1 droid for example).

When has it been illegal to check LOS?

You can always attempt to eyeball it and determine firing arcs, but you can't use a tool or a range ruler to check arc unless:

From the FAQ, page 6:

Measuring Range

Players may only measure range and/or use the range ruler to determine whether a ship is inside or outside of a firing arc at the following times:

• When a ship becomes the active ship during the combat phase, the active player can measure range from the active ship to any enemy ships before declaring one as its target.

• When a player declares a ship’s ability that requires another ship (or ships) to be at a certain range, the player trying to resolve the ability can measure range from their ship to any valid ships before resolving the ability.

• After declaring the intended target of a target lock action, the active player may measure range to the intended target, and only to the intended target.

The 3 bullet points only mention "measuring range" nothing there about Arc.

The first sentence mentions range ruler and is the only sentence that mentions ARC, being that measuring ARC with a range ruler by default gets you the range measurement I can see why checking arc isn't allowed with a Range Ruler. I didn't say anything about Range ruler, I said Laser line.

You are only allowed to check range and arc under specific situations. Arc can only be checked for example in Step 1 of the Combat phase (declaring a target). You can't check arc unless the game state somehow triggers off of it. (R7-T1 droid for example).

Citation please

The player was both Win-At-All-Costs and also in the wrong.

So was the TO. It was clearly not a case of missed opportunity, it was a case where one player tried to skip past a phase of the game.

Citation please

FAQ - Page 5

Players may only measure range and/or use the range ruler to determine whether a ship is inside or outside of a firing arc at the following times:

Bolded for emphasis...

When has it been illegal to check LOS?

You can always attempt to eyeball it and determine firing arcs, but you can't use a tool or a range ruler to check arc unless:

From the FAQ, page 6:

Measuring Range

Players may only measure range and/or use the range ruler to determine whether a ship is inside or outside of a firing arc at the following times:

• When a ship becomes the active ship during the combat phase, the active player can measure range from the active ship to any enemy ships before declaring one as its target.

• When a player declares a ship’s ability that requires another ship (or ships) to be at a certain range, the player trying to resolve the ability can measure range from their ship to any valid ships before resolving the ability.

• After declaring the intended target of a target lock action, the active player may measure range to the intended target, and only to the intended target.

The 3 bullet points only mention "measuring range" nothing there about Arc.

The first sentence mentions range ruler and is the only sentence that mentions ARC, being that measuring ARC with a range ruler by default gets you the range measurement I can see why checking arc isn't allowed with a Range Ruler. I didn't say anything about Range ruler, I said Laser line.

You are only allowed to check range and arc under specific situations. Arc can only be checked for example in Step 1 of the Combat phase (declaring a target). You can't check arc unless the game state somehow triggers off of it. (R7-T1 droid for example).

Citation please

Dude, seriously? You were checking to see if your ship was in arc of another ship to see if you should boost, right? According to the rules, nowhere are you allowed to use a laser line to measure anything, but we all use one in place of the range ruler for simplicity and accuracy. So, when you are using your laser, you are using the range ruler.

You were checking the arc on a ship, "Players may only measure range and/or use the range ruler to determine whether a ship is inside or outside of a firing arc at the following times:". Were any of the 3 following bullet points applicable? No, so you weren't allowed to do it. What other citiation do you really need?

As long as you use an FFG goat, all is well. 3rd party goats have to be approved by the TO.

I think FFG really brought the frequent proxying of goats upon themselves by only including two in every Ark of Noah expansion. Forcing every player to get such a Huge Ship just to stay competitive was simply plain stupid.

I'm just miffed I had to buy the knife expansion. I don't use it for anything but goat sacrifices and it should have come with the arc.

I didn't say anything about Range ruler, I said Laser line.

You are still using a tool to exactly measure arc, so either you are allowed to measure arc or you are not. Likewise you cannot use third-party maneuver templates or guides to pre-measure maneuvers.

The MK I eyeball is OK to use at any time though.

The player was both Win-At-All-Costs and also in the wrong.

So was the TO. It was clearly not a case of missed opportunity, it was a case where one player tried to skip past a phase of the game.

Even a "WAAC" TO still has to rule that the offending player was clearly rushing the other, because the rules also prohibit rushing. That is extremely unfortunate that the TO was not neutral. Sadly if the TO is in cahoots with a player, then there is not much that you can do other than tell the store owner that you will spread word to boycot the store and play somewhere else.

One of my favorite tournament moments happened at last years regionals. The game next to me was pretty close, a few b wings against some x wings. Guy with the b-wings is on a roll, marching forward. He flips a dial, and says "advanced sensors" and x wing guy (instantaequitas here on the forums) stops him dead and says that advanced sensors has to be used before the dial reveal.

B-wing guy loses it. Proceeds to completely flub the match.

That's technically correct, but a real jerk thing to do. You can check your dials at any time (including directly before revealing them) and until you have actually laid a template down or executed a maneuver it makes zero functional difference on the game since there is no new information.

Yeah, this happened to me at last year's regionals. This dude is probably even be describing me, except for I would never say I was on a roll in this match. It was my first competitive event and it wasn't even like I forgot to use advanced sensors after I revealed my dial, I just said "advanced sensors" as I was flipping my dial. The guy across the table was a real jerk about it, and I tried to explain how it had no effect on the game and I did lose it and definitely went on tilt. He had some slovenly buddy next to him (and his buddy had the most god-awful orange Rebel repaints that made no sense; looked like a vacation bible school craft project) who was talking about "THIS IS COMPETITIVE PLAY!," but we were all sitting at the bottom of the tournament at the losers' tables anyways so it was just for fun at that point. But, you know, it's great that this was one of this dude's "favorite tournament moments." That whole tournament was a real eye opener -- I tried to "fly casual" with others but found that others consistently insisted on rules lawyering to their advantage. So now I feel like I have to be a jerk in competitive play. Oh well. X-Wing is still fun with my buddies.