Sometimes I see following scenario from players during the dice roll/shuffle:

They have their hands open during shuffling and it seems to me that they are waiting to see as many icons as possible (or a mixture of all possible icons) and then try to roll the dice with the same movement with the hand. So therefore increasing the possibility having a good mixture of hits or evades and focus during their dice rolls (but I don´t know exactly what´s the trick behind, it´s looking suspicious)

There were some discussions about that, and my and the overall opinion is it is cheating. During last tournament, I tried to appeal my opponent to stop shuffling dice like that but he refuses (indirectly) and I didn´t want to destroy the pleasant atmosphere by pushing further. But at the end I was very angry about that. I think it is not too much to ask for to close the hand during shuffling dice.

Is this legal?

If your opponent is deliberately trying to get an advantage by changing the way dice are rolled, that's cheating. If you think it's a problem in a tournament scenario, and a polite request hasn't fixed the problem, then politely ask for the game to be put on hold while you call over a TO.

try it and find out.. seriously set the dice in your hand and drop them.. pick what ever side you want. Do it 100 times and report back your findings..lol would be like old stats class in High School!!!

Even the attempt to physically influence the way the dice roll is cheating, so the answer is: probably. I'm not sure how you prove it, unless you ask, "Why are you doing that?" and he says, "To get better rolls."

FWIW, as long as he's actually rolling the dice, and they're bouncing and jouncing together normally, his idiotic attempts at cheating are just that: idiotic. There's a reason that pit bosses in Vegas don't care how you arrange the dice in your hand before throwing them ... they only care that they're actually thrown. The reason is: it doesn't work.

Even the attempt to physically influence the way the dice roll is cheating, so the answer is: probably. I'm not sure how you prove it, unless you ask, "Why are you doing that?" and he says, "To get better rolls."

FWIW, as long as he's actually rolling the dice, and they're bouncing and jouncing together normally, his idiotic attempts at cheating are just that: idiotic. There's a reason that pit bosses in Vegas don't care how you arrange the dice in your hand before throwing them ... they only care that they're actually thrown. The reason is: it doesn't work.

Exactly as long as the are hitting the table and moving and bouncing into each other it's fine. Unless he waves his hand over them after rolling then I would call watto over.

Even the attempt to physically influence the way the dice roll is cheating, so the answer is: probably. I'm not sure how you prove it, unless you ask, "Why are you doing that?" and he says, "To get better rolls."

FWIW, as long as he's actually rolling the dice, and they're bouncing and jouncing together normally, his idiotic attempts at cheating are just that: idiotic. There's a reason that pit bosses in Vegas don't care how you arrange the dice in your hand before throwing them ... they only care that they're actually thrown. The reason is: it doesn't work.

Yes, but unlike in casinos, but they don´t throw the dice along the table, usually they "pull away" their "dice hand" rapidly trying to influence all the dice in the same way (at least it looks like), then they fall onto the table. Of course, the player cannot fully determine what he rolls, but I think he can maybe enhance the probability of mixed results that way.

And your green dice will still come up blank even if you learn how to cheat because that's the way the galaxy works.

And your green dice will still come up blank even if you learn how to cheat because that's the way the galaxy works.

Aint that the truth.

A craps table is not a good analogy. You required to throw the dice 10 feet and hit the opposing wall that has rubber edges on it that are designed to make the dice move in unpredictable ways. Not quite the same as dropping them 3 inches strait down on a table.

I am quite sure there are people who can manipulate dice. I truly hope it is not an issue in this game. If you have fears, get yourself a dice cup, and ask your opponent if he will use it. Tell him it is so the dice don't bounce off the table and into ships so it stays friendly.

As long as the dice bounce around and change sides as they hit the rolling surface, it is probably not cheating. My guess is that it is some sort of superstition thing or a deliberate attempt to rattle you (almost as bad as cheating). If he was simply turning his hand over and "slamming" it on the table, then it is an obvious cheat.

If anyone had a problem with how I rolled my dice, I would try to do it "better" just out of respect for the other player.

I oftentimes have my hand open. It's not big enough to hold all the dice and shake them with the hand closed. Maybe he has the same problem.

It occurs to me that one fairly unexceptionable solution would be to bring a dice tower with you to game nights and tournaments, use it consistently, and offer to let your opponent do so as well.

I don't think I've ever seen anyone object to too much randomness on their dice, and it would solve (e.g.) the issue mentioned by Nightshrike.

I oftentimes have my hand open. It's not big enough to hold all the dice and shake them with the hand closed. Maybe he has the same problem.

I rarely see someone shaking dice with just one hand. Most of the people use both hands (at least for the shaking part)

I oftentimes have my hand open. It's not big enough to hold all the dice and shake them with the hand closed. Maybe he has the same problem.

I rarely see someone shaking dice with just one hand. Most of the people use both hands (at least for the shaking part)

I never use both hands. Just the one hand, palm flat, shake a little, and then move the hand and let them bounce. Otherwise I tend to bounce them off the table.

I oftentimes have my hand open. It's not big enough to hold all the dice and shake them with the hand closed. Maybe he has the same problem.

I rarely see someone shaking dice with just one hand. Most of the people use both hands (at least for the shaking part)

I never use both hands. Just the one hand, palm flat, shake a little, and then move the hand and let them bounce. Otherwise I tend to bounce them off the table.

I am quite sure you are "clean" But there are differences between shaking dice with one hand and suspiciously shaking dice with one hand. At least it looks like there is something going on, like minimal hesitations during shaking and rolling, or shaking and shaking again etc. Subconsciously you get some warning bells in your hand and don´t know why.

I am quite sure you are "clean" But there are differences between shaking dice with one hand and suspiciously shaking dice with one hand. At least it looks like there is something going on, like minimal hesitations during shaking and rolling, or shaking and shaking again etc. Subconsciously you get some warning bells in your hand and don´t know why.

Trust your intuition and only play games with people you like.

Oh my, this thread again...

I have yet to see evidence of anyone being able to actually get measurable, statistically better results by rolling dice in a weird way. Unless they are skipping the whole "rolling" part...

I know when my brother picks which dice to roll, he always picks up the dice that happen to be sitting with crit/hit side up. Doesn't really have impact on the results though...

Even if it's not effective, it's the kind of bending the rules that is all too common to competitive X-Wing. And that goes for all the "fly casual" crowd too.

Even if it's not effective, it's the kind of bending the rules that is all too common to competitive X-Wing.

By that logic I shouldn't be allowed to wear my lucky hat. Unless you can actually prove that what they're doing is having an impact on the way the dice land. It's no less a superstition then my lucky hat, or waving my ranger ruler over the dice as they bounce.

The idea of setting dice like they do in Craps requires that the dice roll like a wheel, something you can't do with a 8 sided die. Even then they're not really controlling the dice, just increasing the odds a given side won't turn up.

I've always been fond of "dice towers"

1.) less chance of accusation

2.) control of dice landing i.e. no figure collisions.

Desperate low / slow near dropping .. yes. I've seen those long cylindrical die .. guy would load it on finger and get near 6 every time.

I've heard rumors about 40k dice rollers .. but i find that most palm position dice are hard to prove since it's still gonna hit / roll on map.

I have the answer!

If you're suspicious of how your opponent is rolling their dice, and they refuse to change how they roll, call the TO over and tell them you are suspicious of how your opponent is rolling their dice and have the TO decide whether or not it's okay. Your opponent is the one that ruined the friendly atmosphere by refusing your polite request to roll their dice normally, you're entitled to protect yourself, although the polite thing to do is to never outright accuse your opponent of cheating unless you have solid proof, since that accomplishes nothing.

IMO, if the dice are tumbling enough, then they can't be cheating. If the dice just land or just land and flop over once, then that is suspicious and I will point it out to my opponent that their dice aren't rolling enough.

Is praying over my dice an "attempt"?

Is praying over my dice an "attempt"?

It's nearly like using the force, so yes

We've had this discussion a few times now, and at least once it got rather heated.

The issue is, unless you can say for sure that a given method of dice rolling is giving a real advantage, as in the dice are rolling better than they should, over say a 1000 rolls. Then you can't really call it cheating IMO.

The issue is some people believe anything done in with the intention of improving your dice rolls would be cheating. But there's a fairly large logical flaw in that, because that means if someone has a lucky hat/tshirt/shorts/straight 1 template, or just think they can use the force... That would make them cheaters.

I don't think it's reasonable to accuse someone of cheating for wearing a lucky hat... Because that hat has as much effect as a superstition on how to roll the dice does. Again, unless you can show objectively that what they're doing is somehow actually effecting their odds. Of course doing that is going to be hard at best, because even if they get 5 or 10 great rolls in a row, that doesn't mean they're actually having any real effect on the roll, just that they got lucky.