Personally, I think the best candidate for an Aces pack for scum is the M-3A scyk. Give some more tight flying options, maybe a cloak action upgrade for scum and it would be golden.

There still is an astromech slot for some special utility - even for generic pilots.

Personally, I think the best candidate for an Aces pack for scum is the M-3A scyk. Give some more tight flying options, maybe a cloak action upgrade for scum and it would be golden.

Cloak for the scyk? You would ruin the game

Cloak as an illicit upgrade. Just make it expensive.

I don't need cloak firesprays, cloak robocrabs, cloak ... whatever having 5 green dice then ...

I almost got the feeling like the RAF pilots are complaining about their Spitfires, just because intel reported that the upcoming FW190 versions are to be equipped with 20mm cannons...

Must I point out that the Bf 109 also had a 20mm cannon?

Cloak as an illicit upgrade. Just make it expensive.

Illicit upgrades seem to be one-and-done deals, so I would think that if Cloak shows up as one (and that's a pretty big if), it'll have something like self-damage/one-time-use as its 'expense'.

Also, before we go all Chicken Little over a radically unlikely idea, don't forget that Adv. Cloaking Device is restricted to the TIE Phantom.

Actually the BF109 got 2 of them, or none - this varies from version to version.

FW190 got 4 of them I think - and later on 2x30mm as an optional modification. But this would count as a HLC ^^

LOL

But the ship is so bad that not one of them is worth taking.

To me there's a lot more going on here with the ships, pilots, tournament data, release schedules, product that's already out, and all these other tiny insubstantial items playing together that make the resolution of 'problem ships' a lot more difficult to 'fix'. Personal point of view her.

There are a lot of ships out there that could use a kick in the pants to be sure. I personally see the (no particular order) X-wing, TIE Bomber, TIE Defender, Z-95 Headhunter, Y-wing, Generic YT's, E-wing(excepting Corran of course) as all having issues. But with the nearing advent of what will hopefully be a surge in Epic play, I have to wait till I see when all the ship and pilot reevaluations are in and players start to realize that while some ships aren't that great in one format, they are awesome in another. Once the two formats level off, if they ever do, I will expect that that list will shorten to almost just E-wings and TIE Defenders. Both of which are just flat out too expensive for what they do and Title cards like TIE Advanced X-1 would be perfect fixes. Personally I would give the Defender a Gun cost reducer, and the E-wing a teamwork ability that let them share tokens making a bigger group of them more appealing.

I must keep in mind though that Standard play will always be the premier format, and it just went through a huge change that made the Phantom a bit easier to counter. So until maybe all the results from regionals and nationals are in, I don't want to make a declaration as to what the off the mark ships really are, let alone need. We said for awhile that the shuttle was weak but nationals kinda showed us we were not entirely right about that.

Actually the BF109 got 2 of them, or none - this varies from version to version.

FW190 got 4 of them I think - and later on 2x30mm as an optional modification. But this would count as a HLC ^^

I think you're forgetting the Motorkanone that was present on all marks of 109.

Also, I'd class 30mm autocannons as Mangler Cannons - but that's just me. (incidentally, I plan on getting several Scyks, painting 'em up Cold War USSR-style, and using Manglers to represent the MiG-15's 37mm cannon. The Scyk just has that late 40's-ish "we're starting to build jets, but we haven't quite worked out transonic aerodynamics yet" feel to it.) HLC seems more like it'd be the 50mm bomber-destroyer on some Me 410s - big, rare, and designed for use against heavy targets.

True, later versions of the 109 got a single 30mm.

There where but so many versions....

I like to refer to the ones which flown in 'Battle of Britain'

With Tie Fighters as 109, Tie Bombers as Stukas ... and Tie Advanced as FW190 - which came too late ^^

X-Wings as Spits and Y-Wings as Hurries.

Well ... nevermind ...

What I want to see is more pilots on the Y-wing and Z-95, more astromechs, and more torpedoes.

The Y-wing and Z-95 are lacking in pilots, astromechs, being such a staple in rebel lists, lack diversity, and torpedoes don't have nearly the as diverse a range of options as missiles despite Extra Munitions having a greater impact on missiles which leaves the Y-wings and their torpedoes somewhat undesirable next to the Tie Bomber with it's soon to be 4 shots with missiles. I wouldn't mind seeing the option to turn the Y-wing into a torpedo specialist of sorts. Maybe give it the option to have a third torpedo slot at the cost of not being able to take bombs that way it can capitalize more on Extra Munitions and get 4 shots off with torpedoes.

Garvin and Jek are the only two named pilots that I don't fly regularly. Not really for any particular reason other than I find the other pilots' abilities more attractive.

I still marvel how fantastic the abilities of all the TIE Fighter pilots are, it's probably my favourite ship in the game due to the possibilities. The X-wing also has some fantastic pilots, however the ship itself is struggling to justify its position in the current game due mainly to the B-wing and the hyper-mobility of newer ships. I still don't understand why the B-wing has a barrel roll, but I'd wager the only reason the X-wing lacks this ability is due to its inclusion in the core set and the developers wanting to differentiate the play styles between sides.

You know the B-Wings rotating cockpit somehow qualified it for the barrel roll action i would think.

For my part i would say that it was bad luck that boost was not out that wave. It would have fit the X-Wing and given it something different from the Tie Fighter. Instead it got nothing...

The X-Wing IS different from the Tie Fighter

For the record, it won't be called Scum and Villainy aces.

It'd be pirate aces, or black sun aces, something that sounds better than scum aces or something.

I really hope for a S&V aces box sooner rather than later, no matter how it is called.

S&V can use some more variety in pilots and abilities, and an aces box would bring some repaints too - adding to the irregular look of S&V packs. It would also be the perfect opportunity to add YT pilots (which will happen at some point anyway).

LOL

But the ship is so bad that not one of them is worth taking.

What else do you need for a bad ship?

And why exactly do you act like it was okay? Imperial bandwagoner that gives a **** about game balance?

I play all 3 factions and with exception of a very few other ships, the X-Wing has hit the bottom. I don't think i have lost one single game to any list that gave out more than 25% of points on X-Wings during the last year.

And the one i remember losing was a Tarn&Z-95s while i played a Defender list for fun

Is it a dream to think that there is going to be any Aces Pack that include the Tie Bomber?

I hope they make a pack that has the Heavy TIE Bomber and its brother the "Shadow Squadron" TIE Boarding craft. That boarding craft is freaking sweat and it has quad ion cannons! Oh and its full of Terror Troopers and other Terror Bioroids!

The X-Wing IS different from the Tie Fighter

Well that's undeniable...

Cloak as an illicit upgrade. Just make it expensive.

Illicit upgrades seem to be one-and-done deals, so I would think that if Cloak shows up as one (and that's a pretty big if), it'll have something like self-damage/one-time-use as its 'expense'.

Also, before we go all Chicken Little over a radically unlikely idea, don't forget that Adv. Cloaking Device is restricted to the TIE Phantom.

Feedback array is not single use. There is a 'price' to pay for it. The advanced cloaking is indeed for the phantom only, but the Stygium particle accelerator is not. This is why I think that we WILL see the cloak action on another ship, and scum is the most likely option, excluding the imperial rogue shadow.

There are ways to make a illicit upgrade cloaking device balanced. One make it pricey. It is a powerful option, but not an instant win. Two, make it unique. If only one ship in a fleet can have it, it will limit its power.

With autoblasters and autoblaster turrets, having 5 green dice means nothing. Is the autoblaster the best bet? No. I honestly don't think a scum cloaking ship, especially as a unique illicit upgrade, would break the game.

And why exactly do you act like it was okay? Imperial bandwagoner that gives a **** about game balance?

Actually, I fly mainly Rebels myself - and mainly X-Wings for that matter. I have consistently good results with them (they won me a small ship expansion & store credit in the last tournament I fielded them in). Your own personal mileage may of course vary (along with your experience in using them and ability level, I guess).

I find the the X-Wing to be a good all-round ship, with excellent pilot abilities. Which puts me in a no-lose situation, I guess. I'm certainly not crying out for an X-Wing buff or points reduction, but if somewhere down the line I get one, hey, it certainly doesn't bother me either.

I personally believe that FFG will have all the fixes for ordnance, and all the ship in the SECOND EDITION of the Game! Any one taking bets?

I really hope for a S&V aces box sooner rather than later, no matter how it is called.

Scum are mostly criminals, so a name that reflects that would be appropriate. Something like..."Most Wanted", maybe?

...waitaminute.

I really hope for a S&V aces box sooner rather than later, no matter how it is called.

Scum are mostly criminals, so a name that reflects that would be appropriate. Something like..."Most Wanted", maybe?

...waitaminute.

Yeah, it's actually a bit odd. I can see the reasoning for using that name for the "basic" box, but it would be much more fitting for their aces.

I am going to go on record again as wanting:

Rogue Squadron Aces box with:

Several new E-Wing pilots

No new X-Wing pilots

Several new droids (many of which are generic)

Something interesting for the Torpedo slot that is X-Wing and E-Wing only

A Rogue Squadron Title that's X-Wing and E-Wing only

A Wraith Squadron Title that's X-Wing and E-Wing only

Big box, I know.