I don't see why it's immoral to print your own copy of a card to use for your own games. It's not stealing from FFG to print a card anymore than it is stealing from George Lucas if I were to build a homemade light-saber and Darth Vader costume.

The only reason I'd ever buy a 40 dollar expansion 'just for the card' is to enter an official tournament.

And I highly doubt FFG would 'lose' money if they sold the cards seperately. It's more likely that they wouldn't make as much money but that's something entirely different.

No one claimed that that was immoral or stealing.

"Contacting FFG Customer Support, falsely claiming to have not received the cards in their expansion so they send replacements" is what people (including me) consider immoral, fraud and theft.

Stop saying "they've run the numbers". There a no numbers to be run. You think they've really run market research and asked customers if they would buy X model if Y card were sold seperately? Absolutely not. It's just their best guess on what they think will make them more money.

One of many 'numbers to run' would be a cost-benefit analysis; further exploring on the average cost of both products (both to produce and sell) and demand for individal components based on product spread.

Whether you personally feel selling individual components is more profitable is irrelivant.

Sincerely,

A Business Analyst.

PS: Reported. I don't want you sullying FFG's good customer service when so many benefit from thier benevolance.

Well, again, FFG only has to blame themselves. Like I said, I'd pay for more cards, I will not pay for ships I don't need. If I guy a starter and a nebulon-B expansion, I should be able to us a xi7 turbolaser on both. I'm not going to buy another ship just to get that card again. They could also allow you to buy the upgrades for each ship even if you only own one card. They've chosen to do neither and be greedy instead, so I've chosen to do the same, if this is a hard business where only dollars and cents matter, and the customer means nothing to them. I'll enjoy my free cards. You guys enjoy being mad I guess.

Or....you could just play with the one copy of the turbolaser card you have. No one is forcing you to buy a second ship. Use the points for something else. A card you have, maybe. Be creative. Use tactics and strategy to win games.

Oh, but you really want that second card? Ok, proxy. As everyone here has said, it's not a big deal unless you play tournaments.

Oh, wait, you want to play in a tournament with the second card? Ok, buy one off of eBay.

Oh, wait, you "can't be bothered" to source your own card legally? I guess THEN it's ok to lie and potentially degrade the response for those who actually have a genuine problem - because clearly FFG has left you no other choice!

Stop saying "they've run the numbers". There a no numbers to be run. You think they've really run market research and asked customers if they would buy X model if Y card were sold seperately? Absolutely not. It's just their best guess on what they think will make them more money.

One of many 'numbers to run' would be a cost-benefit analysis; further exploring on the average cost of both products (both to produce and sell) and demand for individal components based on product spread.

Whether you personally feel selling individual components is more profitable is irrelivant.

Sincerely,

A Business Analyst.

PS: Reported. I don't want you sullying FFG's good customer service when so many benefit from thier benevolance.

The self loathing that some of these posters must feel for playing a game made by such a greedy, soulless, money grubbing company must be just crippling.

I don't know when I feel a game company is trying to get one over on me, doesn't give a **** about the game, and is only looking to make a quick buck; I don't buy thier product. It's why I have never touched a GW game.

I mean it really is that simple. For all the vitriol and hyperbole if you really believed half the crap your spouting you wouldn't keep giving FFG your money.

And of course the game is collectible. Just because it isn't distributed as a blind booster doesn't mean a game in which you are going to have waves of expansion content isn't collectible. Sheesh.

And of course the game is collectible. Just because it isn't distributed as a blind booster doesn't mean a game in which you are going to have waves of expansion content isn't collectible. Sheesh.

You don't know what collectable is do you? At least not when it comes to games. Blind boosters is exactly what collectable means...

The self loathing that some of these posters must feel for playing a game made by such a greedy, soulless, money grubbing company must be just crippling.

I don't know when I feel a game company is trying to get one over on me, doesn't give a **** about the game, and is only looking to make a quick buck; I don't buy thier product. It's why I have never touched a GW game.

I mean it really is that simple. For all the vitriol and hyperbole if you really believed half the crap your spouting you wouldn't keep giving FFG your money.

Good, that at least I can respect.

None of that will stop me from enjoying the game with my friends.

And as has been said, no one will try or even care really. People are pretty much free to do whatever they want in their own home.

That includes the guy that's dishonestly obtaining free cards, he has still paid the money and will still be buying more miniatures. So you can't say he's stealing much at all from FFG, or anyone, because he's literally paid them much much more to start playing.

so it's ok to steal if it isn't a lot? It's also ok to steal if you've already paid someone for something else...

Interesting ethics you got there.

None of that will stop me from enjoying the game with my friends.

And as has been said, no one will try or even care really. People are pretty much free to do whatever they want in their own home.

That includes the guy that's dishonestly obtaining free cards, he has still paid the money and will still be buying more miniatures. So you can't say he's stealing much at all from FFG, or anyone, because he's literally paid them much much more to start playing.

so it's ok to steal if it isn't a lot? It's also ok to steal if you've already paid someone for something else...Interesting ethics you got there.

I'm sure you're perfect right?

I'd bet if I took one look at your hard drive I could find something you've stolen worth more than the combined value of every single card he's "stolen" from FFG.

And NTMTO, buy the game if you play it, geez.

There is always such a thing as context. This is not a world with pure good and evil, no light and dark side.

I'm pretty sure Han Solo smuggled some stolen cargo, maybe some death sticks that ruined lives, and the Rebels use IEDs, and the Empire blew up a planet with billions of people on it in the setting. Yet here we are, aware of the context that this is just a silly setting and game.

I'd bet if I took one look at your hard drive I could find something you've stolen worth more than the combined value of every single card he's "stolen" from FFG.

I'm pretty sure you wouldn't. Since I don't pirate stuff.

I'm pretty sure Han Solo smuggled some stolen cargo

So you're going to use a fictional character to justify fraud and theft...

I don't see why it's immoral to print your own copy of a card to use for your own games. It's not stealing from FFG to print a card anymore than it is stealing from George Lucas if I were to build a homemade light-saber and Darth Vader costume.

The only reason I'd ever buy a 40 dollar expansion 'just for the card' is to enter an official tournament.

And I highly doubt FFG would 'lose' money if they sold the cards seperately. It's more likely that they wouldn't make as much money but that's something entirely different.

No one claimed that that was immoral or stealing.

"Contacting FFG Customer Support, falsely claiming to have not received the cards in their expansion so they send replacements" is what people (including me) consider immoral, fraud and theft.

Oh is that what's going on? My mistake.

Considering that all the rules and cards are already free online for anyone to download and print I think that's really silly.

Stop saying "they've run the numbers". There a no numbers to be run. You think they've really run market research and asked customers if they would buy X model if Y card were sold seperately? Absolutely not. It's just their best guess on what they think will make them more money.

One of many 'numbers to run' would be a cost-benefit analysis; further exploring on the average cost of both products (both to produce and sell) and demand for individal components based on product spread.

Whether you personally feel selling individual components is more profitable is irrelivant.

Sincerely,

A Business Analyst.

PS: Reported. I don't want you sullying FFG's good customer service when so many benefit from thier benevolance.

Ummm what effect do you think reporting my post will have on my ability to contact customer support??? Be careful up on that high horse. Oh, and you're a 22 year old business analysis? /eyeroll

EDIT: Obvious Troll is Obvious.

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