I have alway heard, and assumed that it must therefore be so, that third party maneuver templates etc. are not tournament legal.

Yet on page 1 of the "X-WING^TM STANDARD PLAY TOURNAMENT RULES" document (c.f. Component Modifications, paragraph 5) we see the following (emphasis added):

"During tournament play, each player is required to use components included in official X-Wing products with the exception of third party maneuver templates, tokens, and range rulers, the use of which is addressed below."

The part that is addressed below is rather addressed on the following page (p.2) in the Standard Play Tournament Rules (linked above), and reads:

"Third-Party Components
Minor variations in the printing process and the existence of third-party products may cause slight disparities in the measurements of some rulers and templates. Before a tournament match begins, any player may request that a single range ruler and/or set of maneuver templates be shared for the duration of the match. Both players must agree on the set of maneuver templates to be used, as well as which side of the range ruler to use. The TO will have the final say in any decision. Third-party tokens may also be used, provided they are clearly recognizable and both players agree to their use."

This sounds to me like all that I've been hearing about third party range rulers and maneuver (EDIT : meant to say templates) dials templates has been... well ... all lies.

I've only recently started playing the game, so if there is some other document out there with more raw authority than the latest Star Wars Standard Play Tournament rules document put out by FFG - I would really like to be directed to it.

I like Acrylic templates much better than the cardboard ones, but have always thought that they were not tournament legal, but in the light of these clearly stated "exceptions" it seems that was all poppycock?

Anyway - I understand that if your opponent doesn't agree to play with them - then too bad for you - you have to use the regular templates/ruler - but that is saying something radically different from - "you can't use these in a tournament!" which I have heard repeated and affirm almost everyone in our local meta.

Can anyone affirm that this is true - or just as helpfully, point me to the FFG document where these third party templates are outlawed, so that whatever opinion I form will at least be founded upon hard data rather than the sort of, "everyone knows this, so you must believe it too" stuff I have been exposed tool.

Edit: I hope I am just not reading the things wrong or something...

Thank you either way, anyone who can shed light on this for me (and others like me).

Yes they are legal.

The other person has the right to require that both sides use the same templates.

But 3rd party templates are completely legal to use.

Can anyone affirm that this is true - or just as helpfully, point me to the FFG document where these third party templates are outlawed, so that whatever opinion I form will at least be founded upon hard data rather than the sort of, "everyone knows this, so you must believe it too" stuff I have been exposed tool.

I'm not sure where anyone you know got this idea. Perhaps from a very early version of the Tournament rules, there was a point I believe when they weren't legal. But that was like 1 1/2 to 2 years ago now that they made the change to allow 3rd party templates.

Much thanks for the reply! I was really hoping that was the answer. Thanks again.

I have alway heard, and assumed that it must therefore be so, that third party maneuver templates etc. are not tournament legal.

Yet on page 1 of the "X-WING^TM STANDARD PLAY TOURNAMENT RULES" document (c.f. Component Modifications, paragraph 5) we see the following (emphasis added):

"During tournament play, each player is required to use components included in official X-Wing products with the exception of third party maneuver templates, tokens, and range rulers, the use of which is addressed below."

The part that is addressed below is rather addressed on the following page (p.2) in the Standard Play Tournament Rules (linked above), and reads:

"Third-Party Components

Minor variations in the printing process and the existence of third-party products may cause slight disparities in the measurements of some rulers and templates. Before a tournament match begins, any player may request that a single range ruler and/or set of maneuver templates be shared for the duration of the match. Both players must agree on the set of maneuver templates to be used, as well as which side of the range ruler to use. The TO will have the final say in any decision. Third-party tokens may also be used, provided they are clearly recognizable and both players agree to their use."

This sounds to me like all that I've been hearing about third party range rulers and maneuver dials has been... well ... all lies.

Not sure where you got the bit about third party dials being permitted from - the rules are quite clear that the only permitted third party components are tokens, range rulers and maneuver templates.

Anyway - I understand that if your opponent doesn't agree to play with them - then too bad for you - you have to use the regular templates/ruler - but that is saying something radically different from - "you can't use these in a tournament!" which I have heard repeated and affirm almost everyone in our local meta.

That isn't what the rule says - the rule says that in the event that your opponent objects to your templates/tokens, you must both agree to use the same set - if agreement cannot be reached then the TO must decide which set must be used - the rule says nothing about using the standard templates from the core set.

Bottom line is that provided both players have no objections to each others templates and tokens you can use whatever you like

The moral is, take an FFG card set with you just in case your opponent requests that you both use FFG ones.

Chances are you won't ever use them, but it's always best to be prepared.

I thought this was in there to prevent modified templates that had different, though similar, ship lineups. Similar to have you cant have a swarm setup template but can use range rulers to assist.

The moral is, take an FFG card set with you just in case your opponent requests that you both use FFG ones.

Chances are you won't ever use them, but it's always best to be prepared.

Your opponent is not allowed to insist you both use FFG ones - he is only allowed to insist that you both share the same set.

There is no requirement for that set to be an official FFG set, nor is there any way he can insist you change yours while continuing to use his own

I thought this was in there to prevent modified templates that had different, though similar, ship lineups.

There's a different rule that says you can't use templates to set up your ships.

Custom “setup” templates designed to aid players in ship deployment are not allowed. However, players may use their range rulers and maneuver templates to help them set up formations during deployment.

That "dials" thing game from my original post - which was a brain fart. I intended to write maneuver templates, but since I use the phrase "maneuver dials" just a little more often than I use the phrase "maneuver templates" my game-addled brain gave me no pause as I typed the wrong word in.

Sorry about that.

Measurements on templates, even card board ones, will vary. Differences are most easily seen on the banks.

Measurements on templates, even card board ones, will vary. Differences are most easily seen on the banks.

Agreed. A fibrous, organic material like cardboard is going to swell and shrink according to changes in humidity. A cardboard template or ruler may gain or lose length/curvature depending upon the humidity and the direction-of-the grain in the cardboard especially with regards to curved templates. These variances are all the more significant when you factor in matter of different printing shops (who are contracted to make the templates) from different locations using slightly different quality materials, etc.

A small variance could be significant in gameplay in matters of templates overlapping, bumping, getting into, or staing out of range, and of course flying your ships off the map. In the same game, one player's three bank might put his ship just barely on the edge of the map, where the other player's 3 bank puts him clearly within the map.

That's one of the reasons I prefer to play with acrylic templates - they offer a consistent, high quality measure every time - and they look slick too.

Measurements on templates, even card board ones, will vary. Differences are most easily seen on the banks.

Agreed. A fibrous, organic material like cardboard is going to swell and shrink according to changes in humidity. A cardboard template or ruler may gain or lose length/curvature depending upon the humidity and the direction-of-the grain in the cardboard especially with regards to curved templates. These variances are all the more significant when you factor in matter of different printing shops (who are contracted to make the templates) from different locations using slightly different quality materials, etc.

A small variance could be significant in gameplay in matters of templates overlapping, bumping, getting into, or staing out of range, and of course flying your ships off the map. In the same game, one player's three bank might put his ship just barely on the edge of the map, where the other player's 3 bank puts him clearly within the map.

That's one of the reasons I prefer to play with acrylic templates - they offer a consistent, high quality measure every time - and they look slick too.

I agree. The biggest difference I see with the acrylics is how well they stand up to use over time on each end... the parts that are against the ship bases. After limited use, the cardboard templates can start to wear slightly on the corners and this in turn can effect how well the ends are slid against the ship bases and in between the nubs. Acrylics stand up to use for a lot longer.

As anyone have been requested to share their templates?

3 hours ago, Americanrebel said:

As anyone have been requested to share their templates?

I’ve never had it happen in the 2-3 years I’ve played, and I use wooden templates. Also necro.

Also, this is for version 1 of the game. We don't know the rules for version 2 yet, but my guess is that any 3rd party templates that do not have the printed center line will no longer be allowed in x-wing 2.0 (well, at least in officially sanctioned events).

5 hours ago, Nspace said:

Also, this is for version 1 of the game. We don't know the rules for version 2 yet, but my guess is that any 3rd party templates that do not have the printed center line will no longer be allowed in x-wing 2.0 (well, at least in officially sanctioned events).

They said that templates designed for 1e will be allowed, but you need a new 1-straight for barrel rolling. (and presumably equivalent for tallon rolls and decloaks etc)