ROTBI said:
Nobody has reduction "out the wazoo" as of yet. Also, PotM (as you can read in Antigoth's OmniFAQ) despite it's name, is NOT a terrain and therefore does not get destroyed when another terrain enters play.
Yimfang just got better!
How do Ivy players overcome King Support?
darklogos said:
ROTBI said:
Nobody has reduction "out the wazoo" as of yet. Also, PotM (as you can read in Antigoth's OmniFAQ) despite it's name, is NOT a terrain and therefore does not get destroyed when another terrain enters play.
Yimfang just got better!
Ymirfang was already plenty good kthx.
Especially combined with Stormhammer in Ragnar, hey look double dipping! Destroy asset, and moar damage!
Don't forget all life is prey. But in all honesty I think that dependence on path is a problem and people are making it a bigger deal then it is because people don't want to pack counter measures for it. Thing is if King is causing that much troubles you can always play a non-3 check attack. Just an idea.
ROTBI said:
Nobody has reduction "out the wazoo" as of yet. Also, PotM (as you can read in Antigoth's OmniFAQ) despite it's name, is NOT a terrain and therefore does not get destroyed when another terrain enters play.
OK...
Steve Fox off of Fire. Add all Paul punches. Stand Off. Shadowar. Toughest in the Universe. Paid to Protect. The Greatest Team. Any Temujin asset.
A character, 16 foundations, 4 actions, 16 attacks and minimum 4 assets. That makes for 41 cards out of a 60 card deck with damage reduction on them (if the attacks are pushed through they will become -4 or -5 no minimum to any attack).
Uh yeah, out the wazoo.
D'oh, good call. As we don't have Steve Fox locally, I totally forgot the he does have built in reduction. All the other characters that could play the rest of the stuff you say shouldn't be able to play that many before Ivy starts smashing face or else the Ivy player has already lost by taking too much time. I was implying that there isn't enough huge reduction to stifle a quick Ivy indefinitely. But yeah, you're totally right about Steve...someone wanna get that card to me already, please? lol
Lu Chen + Enemies now friends. Think about it a bit. That ruins Ivy so bad.
So your saying that if the king player plays 3-4 man behind the mask on turn 1 then what else could they possibly play?
Maybe one other foundation or so whos to say itll be another redux foundation
so then they dont have any blocks and you can have your way with them until you can path for the win i think its pretty simple really
darklogos said:
Lu Chen + Enemies now friends. Think about it a bit. That ruins Ivy so bad.
...if it's a high attack. If it's mid or low, it can get completely blocked by any of a number of attacks Ivy can run, which will not only cause Lu Chen to have committed two foundations for nothing, but will NOT increase Ivy's progressive difficulty.
ROTBI said:
D'oh, good call. As we don't have Steve Fox locally, I totally forgot the he does have built in reduction. All the other characters that could play the rest of the stuff you say shouldn't be able to play that many before Ivy starts smashing face or else the Ivy player has already lost by taking too much time. I was implying that there isn't enough huge reduction to stifle a quick Ivy indefinitely . But yeah, you're totally right about Steve...someone wanna get that card to me already, please? lol
About Steve, yeah he's pretty beast.
About the bolded text, just Stand Off is enough to set her back almost indefinitely. Think about this: Ivy wants to attack quickly. In that case, how many foundations are in her staging area? Not many, perhaps a Genius/Prominent, some card draw, something else, perhaps Path/Gay Vampires. How many of those will she commit to draw cards? Hopefully all of her foundations if she gets her action. Stand Off would be one-sided against Ivy, and if she doesn't have more attacks she's screwed. Gay Vampires won't ready anything because the attack didn't deal damage, she won't draw because the attack didn't deal damage, etc.
This is why I urge Ivy players to run as much draw as they possibly can and to NEVER rely on solely Ivy to draw. Use Frantic Search/Brazillian Beauty if you have to. Even Fatherly Love is EXCELLENT when you don't have anything! Relying solely on her draw is deck suicide.
You people and your non-mainstream nicknames, lol. What exactly is "gay vampires" supposed to be?
Osterrheisburg Castle: Gay/Metrosexual Vampires = Osterrheisburg Castle: TWILIGHT
I hope you got the reference... if not here.
Well, that's why I've never heard of it: I've avoided everything about that series like the plague.
ROTBI said:
You people and your non-mainstream nicknames, lol. What exactly is "gay vampires" supposed to be?
Hey, I'm trying my best to make it mainstream; check out my Christie deck in the deckbuilding forum.
1) Gay vampires is Anne Rice, not Stephanie Meyer. You're looking for shiny vampires.
2) Respected and Feared violates Twilight Ivy.
Respected and Feared is also unplayable. And you're also going off the assumption that this "Twilight Ivy" is purely off of Life, when the attack lineup could be off of All with Pommel Smash to boot.
How does Ivy overcome King's support?
Simple, this thread assumes that when a player gets out 3-4 Man Behind the Mask Ivy cannot get past them.
that, of course, is an extremely incorrect assertion about how Ivy's support functions
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MarcoPulleaux said:
How does Ivy overcome King's support?
Simple, this thread assumes that when a player gets out 3-4 Man Behind the Mask Ivy cannot get past them.
that, of course, is an extremely incorrect assertion about how Ivy's support functions
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Or that Ivy beats them before they do.
Without knowing how many attacks are in the base assumption deck it is going to be hard to say if she can win or not. If she is not running between 20-26 attacks then she can't kill King because she is not drawing into more attacks.
That's why I like my Ivy... it has 28
It goes smacketty smack smack into desperation or death turn 2.
does anyone do a lowdown neb for a final attack of the string?
ROTBI said:
darklogos said:
Lu Chen + Enemies now friends. Think about it a bit. That ruins Ivy so bad.
...if it's a high attack. If it's mid or low, it can get completely blocked by any of a number of attacks Ivy can run, which will not only cause Lu Chen to have committed two foundations for nothing, but will NOT increase Ivy's progressive difficulty.
I was more pointing out that his reversals would do killer damage. Better prey he never gets a throw reversal.
A. Why wouldn't face down cards in the card pool effect progression?
B. Why wouldn't a block effect progression as well?
play legacy and he has neck choke, your 1h1 throw E: your opponent discards 1 card if this attack deals dmg. add that will extra reversal playing mechanisms ( and recur your neck choke) and their turn will end no matter how scary they are
darklogos said:
ROTBI said:
darklogos said:
Lu Chen + Enemies now friends. Think about it a bit. That ruins Ivy so bad.
...if it's a high attack. If it's mid or low, it can get completely blocked by any of a number of attacks Ivy can run, which will not only cause Lu Chen to have committed two foundations for nothing, but will NOT increase Ivy's progressive difficulty.
I was more pointing out that his reversals would do killer damage. Better prey he never gets a throw reversal.
A. Why wouldn't face down cards in the card pool effect progression?
B. Why wouldn't a block effect progression as well?
A. Becuase you can genius or noblewoman then from your card pool.
B. Becuase the only blocks are on attacks and your most likely going to block with a 3 diff attack that applies to SWS