And I'm saying that you can't assume someone bought a different expansion. So either the reinforcements card is useful for Stormtroopers and so it has a place in that pack, or else it doesn't. The fact that it may show up somewhere else shouldn't factor into it.

Kind of like how Engine Upgrade was useful for every ship and yet only appeared in the Falcon xpack until literally yesterday?

Just because a card "is good for them too" doesn't mean that it should be/will be reprinted following FFG's prior patterns.

There's 3 new models in there, and a elite deployment card. Which is useful to people who don't have enough storm troopers or deployment cards yet. I seem to remember a few weeks ago a number of people posting that they hoped to see Stormtroopers as an expansion pack, so they could get more of them without buying a 2nd core set.

The new models are irrelevant, since the shape of the model serves no in-game purpose. I seriously don;t know who said they needed more stormies, since from a campaign perspective they are essentially useless and from a skirmish perspective it is difficult to justify playing more than 2 basic Stormies as it is. But okay, I guess there are people who wanted this for some reason.

And it's a point I agreed with. For some people there's little to no value in this pack. To some people there's a great deal of value.

Fair enough, but I would quibble that even if we assume a person doesn't have reinforcements or the extra elite/grey card that 4 more cards is hardly a "great deal" of added value.

Fair enough, but I would quibble that even if we assume a person doesn't have reinforcements or the extra elite/grey card that 4 more cards is hardly a "great deal" of added value.

I'm not trying to claim that this is a great value. I'm simply saying that they shouldn't package stuff based on what other packs have. I'd rather see a pack with duplicate cards that are useful in the general sense, than having to buy packs I don't want just for the sake of the cards.

How many points is Wookies, Chewie, and Garkhan? That sounds like a fun thing to try.

1x Chewie = 15 14 Health

1x Gaarkhan = 8 10 Health

2x Wookiee Warriors = 16 (8x2) 44 Health (11 Health each)

That's 68 Health in a very tight bunch going around causing havoc, heh.

It does sound fun to try.

but if they want to be competitive and can use a computer they can figure out which pack it is in.

Which requires that people buy packs that they don't really want. Sorry but I'd much rather be able to skip spending $15-20 on something I don't really want, because there's a good chance that something I will want will also have it.

Just because X-wing had a model that forced you to end up with 4 extra push the limits doesn't mean it's a good model for packaging upgrades.

So you'd rather have the kind of model that forces people to buy stuff they don't want, just for the sake of the cards?

Yes I would rather have a model that constantly adds new content and options to deck building rather than reprinting options that already exist and don't add on to the current game. Presently the trooper pack only adds 2-3 cards on to the game as a whole for skirmish and maybe 6 if you expand that to the campaign. Having a full playset included in one product mitigates the cost in the long run compared to any randomized miniatures game and there's no reason to make packs of mostly duplicated waste when we could get something that opens more options.

Fair enough, but I would quibble that even if we assume a person doesn't have reinforcements or the extra elite/grey card that 4 more cards is hardly a "great deal" of added value.

I'm not trying to claim that this is a great value. I'm simply saying that they shouldn't package stuff based on what other packs have. I'd rather see a pack with duplicate cards that are useful in the general sense, than having to buy packs I don't want just for the sake of the cards.

And that's fine, you are certainly entitled to your opinion. I would prefer the opposite since it would mean more cards overall, but to each his own.

I would bet this pack does not sell overly well though because of the amount of reprint in it.

I would prefer the opposite since it would mean more cards overall, but to each his own.

That's completely fair. I get that it's not a great deal for people who have bought in to the game as a heavily as you and some others have.

I would bet this pack does not sell overly well though because of the amount of reprint in it.

It strikes me as this is a pack to give people extra stormtroopers without buying a 2nd core pack. For that I find it has some value and may get it. But I see why some don't think so.

I've apparently come off more upset about the whole thing then I really intended, perhaps it's all the negativity on the X-Wing boards that's coloring my posts and the way I read things. For that I apologize to you and KennedyHawk.

Bottom Rodian looks like "while defending, apply + or - 1 strain to your defense results."

It's called disposable, so its probably -1 anti surge. I don't see why they'd take strain when they have no endurance.

That said, its weird they didn't just put that -1 anti surge with their surge abilities like they do with figures with innate armor.

Probably because it only applies while defending.

I guess I can see that reasoning, and in the end it probably doesn't even matter because they had room on the card to write that. But it still seems a bit off. It's like saying cards that have +1 armor icon would automically apply 1 armor to whoever they are attacking.

As for the trooper pack, you can never assume why people would want to buy it. There are many reasons for it and against it. Just vote with your wallet. If I had to guess, it was either this stormtrooper pack or nothing.

Disappointed.

Wookiees: we already have Chewbacca and Gaarkhan.....another species would have been better imho.

Stormtroopers: again?

Rodians: they look great.

Wave one was great....and the second wave is also excellent. This one.....not so much.

I would prefer the opposite since it would mean more cards overall, but to each his own.

That's completely fair. I get that it's not a great deal for people who have bought in to the game as a heavily as you and some others have.

I would bet this pack does not sell overly well though because of the amount of reprint in it.

It strikes me as this is a pack to give people extra stormtroopers without buying a 2nd core pack. For that I find it has some value and may get it. But I see why some don't think so.

I've apparently come off more upset about the whole thing then I really intended, perhaps it's all the negativity on the X-Wing boards that's coloring my posts and the way I read things. For that I apologize to you and KennedyHawk.

No need to apologize, I wasn't offended =).

Bottom Rodian looks like "while defending, apply + or - 1 strain to your defense results."

It's called disposable, so its probably -1 anti surge. I don't see why they'd take strain when they have no endurance.

That said, its weird they didn't just put that -1 anti surge with their surge abilities like they do with figures with innate armor.

Probably because it only applies while defending.

I guess I can see that reasoning, and in the end it probably doesn't even matter because they had room on the card to write that. But it still seems a bit off. It's like saying cards that have +1 armor icon would automically apply 1 armor to whoever they are attacking.

As for the trooper pack, you can never assume why people would want to buy it. There are many reasons for it and against it. Just vote with your wallet. If I had to guess, it was either this stormtrooper pack or nothing.

It appears to be -1 Dodge. If you zoom in it appears to be the 4 black dots that make up the 'X' Symbol.

Disappointed.

Wookiees: we already have Chewbacca and Gaarkhan.....another species would have been better imho.

Stormtroopers: again?

Rodians: they look great.

Wave one was great....and the second wave is also excellent. This one.....not so much.

I agree. Is a little disappointing to not see Leia/Lando/Etc. as well.

I'm happy to see extra storm troopers, I now get a new pose I can use to represent elites.

VanorDM hit the money on all of his points. More options to acquire cards is better. Much like my excitement seeing Engine Upgrade comes with Houndstooth as I do not have nor was gonna buy a Falcon for one card.

Thats my plan too mullet cheese.

I love the 'to the last man' agenda card. makes a cool troublesome stormtrooper for the heroes.

I wonder, what is those cards under the unit cards? It looks like 'Vader's Finest' for the Storms, 'Fury of Kashyyk' for the Wookies and 'Last Resort'(?) for the Rodians (with Bosch with the thermal detonator as the picture). I wonder what they do...

Dammit, i'm gonna end up buying a unit of stormtroopers just to get the skirmish upgrade?

Who am I kidding? I was going to buy them anyway.

Very glad to see I was wrong about *some* of the core box content being released as packs.

Disappointed.

Wookiees: we already have Chewbacca and Gaarkhan.....another species would have been better imho.

Stormtroopers: again?

Rodians: they look great.

Wave one was great....and the second wave is also excellent. This one.....not so much.

I agree. Is a little disappointing to not see Leia/Lando/Etc. as well.

They're going to save those characters for box expansions. Make more money that way and allows the characters to appear in more missions instead of just one and whatever you decide to bring them along as an ally.

when....

I would have liked to see the Rodians come as 3 man group to bulk out the mercs. It seems like 3 man groups so far are only the troopers, wonder if it is very exclusive to have 3 man groups.

However love that packs are coming out, you can get everything you want and dont really care to much, it would have been nice but thats all.

Is everyone drunk? It clearly says: 'new Command cards reinforce figures after they die or invite your figures to engage in stealth tactics.' Nothing about a reprint of an old card that people already have from the previous packs.

I would have liked to see the Rodians come as 3 man group to bulk out the mercs. It seems like 3 man groups so far are only the troopers, wonder if it is very exclusive to have 3 man groups.

However love that packs are coming out, you can get everything you want and dont really care to much, it would have been nice but thats all.

I can see them doing a Street Thugs type 3 man group for the Mercenaries. I wouldn't rule something like that out.

I'll get 2x of the Wookies and Rodians but only 1x Stormtrooper.

I've yet to try out Skirmish so I'm very much a campaign only man at present (although I do want to try Skirmish). However I plan on buying at least one of every IA expansion pack.

Is everyone drunk? It clearly says: 'new Command cards reinforce figures after they die or invite your figures to engage in stealth tactics.' Nothing about a reprint of an old card that people already have from the previous packs.

No we are just looking at the fan of cards pictured in the article.

You can easily see a Slippery Target in the Rodian's card fan and a Reinforcements in the Troopers. Both of these cards came as 2 ofs in the Wave 1 Ally packs and if I had to guess will be 2 of's here as well.

I pretty much agree. I was more than a little disappointed. I thought it would be nice to see some more of the main characters.

Most of the players locally bought the second core not for the Stormtroopers. They wanted an extra set of tiles and the second set of Royal Guards/ATST.

I pretty much agree. I was more than a little disappointed. I thought it would be nice to see some more of the main characters.

Most of the players locally bought the second core not for the Stormtroopers. They wanted an extra set of tiles and the second set of Royal Guards/ATST.

*Officers

I split a second core set with a friend who wanted tiles for custom Descent quests. He also took the Rebels so he could field a skirmish squad, and the unique Imps/Mercs because I have no need for a second set of them. I'll still probably get the Stormtrooper pack for the side mission, skirmish upgrade, skirmish missions, and command cards. But I would have rather had the Trandoshan Hunters or Royal Guards as the first core set reprint.

I'm absolutely getting at least one each of the Wookiees and Rodians, maybe more if I really get into skirmish.