TIE only upgrade cards with Punisher... what could they be?

By PlayerNine, in X-Wing

Anyone else notice the "TIE only" Upgrades with the punisher? Only words I can make out on the upgrade are "Twin [blank] Engine", pretty much has to be Twin Ion Engine. Then, the artwork is a defender and the rules text clearly says "TIE Only..." but doesn't specify TIE Fighter, Defender, Phantom, Punisher, Bomber, Interceptor or Advanced.

So what could it possibly be that would be of benefit on almost any TIE ship? Cynical: Why do I feel like I was expecting an X-wing fix and maybe got a TIE fix instead? Not that I'm complaining, most TIE's need some form of help right now. Ideally this modification would be in a slot that the already good ships, Phantom and high PS interceptors, are already using on other upgrades, so that this modification is instead focused on fixing the generics, the Defender, the TIE Fighters and Bombers, etc.

Speculation? Yes please.

Also, I am hoping one of these upgrades somewhere in here allows us to stick SLAM actions on a few other ships. As neat as the K-Wing is, there are many ships that I would really want a SLAM action on.

Well, it's got no icon in the corner, so it's definitely a "modification" upgrade.

Which means it bumps shield upgrades, stealth devices, etc out of contention. Needs to be GOOD, then. (And even Interceptors can only take it alongside their auto-include modification with the Royal Guard title)

Very little of it is legible - so frustrating!

You may (room for 3-4 short words)

maneuver (room for 1-2 short words)

?m? (looks like only word on the line - it's nearly centered)

Edited by xanderf

I don't think that Tie Fighters need any boost. Yes, they aren't played that often, but that's just because most people go for more of the cheap. Those named Ties are still good. Of course, if there is something that you spend points to make them better, then I'm all on board!

I'm curious as to what it is. Maybe gives them boost? But if that's the case, why is it on a ship that already has boost?

You may ....

maneuver...

m?...

If it costs more than 0 it won't go on TIE fighters. Hopefully it works like a stay on target that doesn't make the move red. Would help Rexlar and bombers quite a bit.

It seems very likely to me that it is:

You may treat all turn? Bank? 1 speed?

maneuvers as white/green

maneuvers

The question in my mind is what gets changed and cost.

I'd wager turns and white. Very low cost, intended targets are the TIE punisher, bomber and defender. Opportunity cost of eating the mod slot.

Well it says "You may" and not "When you Reveal". That slight timing difference usually means that this card is not going to let you change your movement like Stay on Target, but might alter what a particular move does, such as IG-88D. The third word in there is likely "treat", and then it could be anything. Green, Red, a movement symbol...

I was reading somewhere that it seemed to read similarly to an r2 astro so it could be similar. Like treat all hard turns as white. Then that reall bumps the defender and allows the punisher to have a worse dial base.

Is it possible that this upgrade is a Title? I mean, All the TIE ships have Twin Ion Engines, so fluffwise, there's no need for a modification to add Twin Ion Engines to them.

*EDIT* The word Title also would be stated right after "X Ship Only" just as in the case of the other titles we have. Royal Guard TIE, Millennium Falcon, Moldy Crow, Outrider, IG-2000, Dauntless.

Edited by GroggyGolem

Why are you guys assuming it is a modification and not a title?

If it is a title it makes it less attractive on interceptors and tie advanceds and more attractive on bombers, punishers and defenders and unknown for fighters and phantoms. In other words, attractive to the ships that will need a buff to maneuvering and not attractive to those that don't.

*EDIT* The word Title also would be stated right after "X Ship Only" just as in the case of the other titles we have. Royal Guard TIE, Millennium Falcon, Moldy Crow, Outrider, IG-2000, Dauntless.


The way your saying that sounds like you mean that as evidence that it ISN'T a title, but the card looks to me like there is room for the word and, indeed, that "TIE only" is not centered by itself. Meaning it IS a title.

Edited by Forgottenlore

I'll quote what I wrote in the Defender fix thread:

It seems very similar to Nien Nunb's and R2 Astromech's phrasings. I'm going to guess this:

You may treat all <left turn> and <right turn>

maneuvers as white

maneuvers.

It can be used on any TIE but only really helps Defenders, Bombers, and presumably Punishers.

I would wager money that it is not a title

Why are you guys assuming it is a modification and not a title?

Mostly because of how far to the left the 'TIE Only' string is. Putting just 'Title' after that would leave the whole top line a bit off-center. The longer word 'Modification', on the other hand, centers it.

Why are you guys assuming it is a modification and not a title?

Mostly because of how far to the left the 'TIE Only' string is. Putting just 'Title' after that would leave the whole top line a bit off-center. The longer word 'Modification', on the other hand, centers it.

I disagree. Comparing it to other titles, it looks to me like there isn't room for the word modification.

Twin Ion Engine Ace - what I think the card is, a title.

Twin Ion Engine Ace - what I think the card is, a title.

An engine ace? What does that even mean?

Twin Ion Engine Ace - what I think the card is, a title.

There is definitely a word after 'Engine' on the second line, that can't be more than 3 letters or so - I was trying to puzzle out what it could be, but...might be something like that. 'Upgrade' definitely won't fit. I think 'Drive' might, though, and would make sense if it was a mod rather than a title.

It could be either a title or modification. My guess as to its effect is:

You may perform red

maneuvers even while

stressed

Could be fun :P

Twin Ion Engine Ace - what I think the card is, a title.

An engine ace? What does that even mean?

Well, when you condense it, it becomes TIE Ace. Or a pilot that excels at flying all TIE craft.

It could be refit as well. Twin Ion Engine Refit All red manoeuvres become white.

Twin Ion Engine Ace - what I think the card is, a title.

An engine ace? What does that even mean?

Well, when you condense it, it becomes TIE Ace. Or a pilot that excels at flying all TIE craft.

It could be refit as well. Twin Ion Engine Refit All red manoeuvres become white.

Can't imagine it is ALL red maneuvers as white. White 5K on bombers would be hella-crazy. All hard turns as white sounds more like it. Which makes Defenders the nasty ships they are supposed to be.

Well, when you condense it, it becomes TIE Ace. Or a pilot that excels at flying all TIE craft.

It could be refit as well. Twin Ion Engine Refit All red manoeuvres become white.

Fair enough, but titles apply to the ship, not the pilot. I think a modification is far more likely.

EDIT: I just remembered the A-Wing Test Pilot title. You may be right after all.

Edited by TurtleFreak

Maybe it is something ability wise like this: after executing a green manoeuvre, increase green die by 1 for this round.

It's likely only to apply to the Punisher, the Defender and maybe the Bomber. The other TIEs don't need a buff and there's no reson to restrict it just to TIEs if it's a general upgrade.

Except, you can make out the words: TIE only

This makes it available to the TIE fighter, advanced, bomber, defender, punisher and phantom as well as any other variants that are or ever will be.