So you don't like this wave? That sucks for you, because I think you're going to be missing out on some fun. Hopefully the next one will make you happier.

Agree...

There's nothing wrong with disliking a given wave or ship. I don't care for the Houndstooth myself, even though it looks pretty cool. I didn't care for the IG-2000 either, and you know what I did?

I didn't buy one. There's nothing wrong with stating your opinion, but when all you do is fill thread after thread with negative posts, no one is going to want to listen to you. Do it often enough and you'll start to get called out on it.

There's simply no reason to do that either, it's not like anything is going to change about Wave 7 at this point. They're not going to swap the Tie Punisher out for the Scimitar, they're not going to swap out the K-Wing for something else.

So negative comments about wave 7, will after a point accomplish nothing but make people who do like it upset with you, because no one likes hearing things they like trashed. It's a pretty simple concept and one everyone who can afford to play this game should be mature enough to understand by now.

So if you don't like something fell free to comment on it, but after you've made your opinion known you should follow the very sage advice of "if you have nothing good to say, then say nothing at all." Because again, no amount of posting about how much you dislike wave 7 will have any impact on anything, other then making people upset with you.

For the record: I love Xwing, I like FFG, and I hate this wave. My opinion is as valid as anyone else's.

Hate is a pretty strong emotion to waste on a game.

Yes. Yeeeeees. Hate leads to the Dark Side!

Fly casual has to do with play style and attitude in game, nothing says you can't be disappointed about news.

Some had high hopes this wave would make torps and missiles viable on everything I think they have a right to be a bit vocal in their disappointment.

This was what I predicted so I'm more meh than anything else.

Wait, people don't think this fixes Ordnance?

I'm pretty sure I had the opposite impression, that many of my Tie Bomber lists moved from being average to "holy spit that's a lot of ordnance for very cheap, and I can still add another Tie Fighter."

I thought people just didn't like the look! Haha. Though, I am certainly a big fan of how the ships turned out. These ships will look great on the table.

Fly casual has to do with play style and attitude in game, nothing says you can't be disappointed about news.

Some had high hopes this wave would make torps and missiles viable on everything I think they have a right to be a bit vocal in their disappointment.

This was what I predicted so I'm more meh than anything else.

Wait, people don't think this fixes Ordnance?

I'm pretty sure I had the opposite impression, that many of my Tie Bomber lists moved from being average to "holy spit that's a lot of ordnance for very cheap, and I can still add another Tie Fighter."

I thought people just didn't like the look! Haha. Though, I am certainly a big fan of how the ships turned out. These ships will look great on the table.

Extra munitions will make it easier for High Pilot Skill High Action Economy Pilots to purchase multiple torpedoes/missiles. It doesn't help Low PS Generics get target locks or extra actions to augment the attack they're making.

So, EM will help pilots like Nera Dantels, Captain Jonus, Redline, and the PS 6 K-wing. On it's own, it isn't going to make a double proton torpedo y-wing effective.

Now, if Plasma torpedoes and Advanced Homing Missiles turn out to be awesome, then those ships might get some milage out of EM.

FFG promises love for the TIE Bomber, everyone falsely assumes ordnance will be getting across-the-board boost, everyone disappointed when their false expectations are not met and ignore that FFG did exactly what they said they would be introducing a boost for the Bomber. /scene

I'm seeing a lot of the negative posts coming from users that I don't usually see on these forums, I suspect that the announcement of a new wave brings a ton of people to the forums that don't normally post. I see this happen a lot in other games too, spoiler season tends to get everyone talking, and the more people that show up to the party the higher chances of someone breaking a lamp. The negativity will die down as the interest in Wave 7 fades.

I've said this before. I do not and will not believe in Fly Casual. If you go back to hothie's original post, he talks about Flying Casual as separating yourselves from anyone remotely competitive and actually insults anyone who plays with a competitive spirit. Fly Casual is merely just an elitist attitude poorly masked by the idea of having fun. Over time it has been polluted worse than it already was by people who missed the original idea hothie was going for. The original concept itself was incredibly vague, hence there being people saying they are Flying Casual but doing and acting completely opposite from another person Flying Casual.

So much this. Its become a blanket term and everyone hids under it for sloppy play. I'm all for being nice in tournaments, but that term is irritating to hear now.

I've said this before. I do not and will not believe in Fly Casual. If you go back to hothie's original post, he talks about Flying Casual as separating yourselves from anyone remotely competitive and actually insults anyone who plays with a competitive spirit. Fly Casual is merely just an elitist attitude poorly masked by the idea of having fun. Over time it has been polluted worse than it already was by people who missed the original idea hothie was going for. The original concept itself was incredibly vague, hence there being people saying they are Flying Casual but doing and acting completely opposite from another person Flying Casual.

So much this. Its become a blanket term and everyone hids under it for sloppy play. I'm all for being nice in tournaments, but that term is irritating to hear now.

100% this. Just dont be a ****. The "Fly Casual" thing has become a licence for people to act like a different sort of **** instead. It's equally obnoxious and unacceptable to be intolerant of ANY other players style, including very competitive players that actually enforce the rules.

Dont like it, dont play. But using "Fly Casual" to somehow say that player is "wrong" makes you the ****, not them.

But using "Fly Casual" to somehow say that player is "wrong" makes you the ****, not them.

I've always wondered how anyone could use 'fly casual' as way to force other people play a given way and not see the massive hypocrisy in that. Worse is how some people use it an excuse to not follow the rules and allow sloppy play.

To be fair a lot of good points are being made here but I think that y'all are more or less arguing PAST each other rather than engaging WITH each other.

I agree 100%.

Too often this forum is like many others in which people who are relatively passionate about a given hobby can not have a reasonable conversation nor debate in a friendly manner. Obviously there are plenty of people who browse and comment who keep with a level head, but it is the loud minority who fail to keep it civil. I'm not pointing the finger at anyone who has expressed their disappointment with wave 7 being everything they felt this game needed. We all have a right to our opinion and most of those who regularly read and come back to this forum are here because they like this game and want to continue to see it grow.

That said... the 100 point game is solid right now. Matches can be lost with a bad list, but they can not necessarily be won simply by flying a good list. AND good piloting still trumps bad piloting.

I think the major issue many have is that they expect every ship, every pilot, and every upgrade card to play well and on an equal playing field and that is asking a lot with how much content is in this game now. And certainly there are cards that could have been better. But just you make a game with this kind of content and see if you get each card right.

From my perspective, each wave has improved the game than where it was prior to it yet with the addition of each wave it becomes exponentially more difficult to do that. Wave 6 did that. I am personally not ready to judge wave 7 based on not seeing it's entire scope or work yet.

Fly casual is not dead, but it also has absolutely nothing to do with expressing your disgruntledness about a particular wave. Every single wave that comes out breaks the game. Does anyone even remember "Assaultageddon?"

A 12 year old boy is playing a veteran gamer. After the boy's dials are down, they get bumped and accidentally switched. The boy reveals the wrong dial with a look of horror on his face, realizing that they have been switched. The veteran gamer makes him use the revealed dials and execute those maneuvers, one of which takes the boy's ship off of the board. The boy cries. CRIES about this.

Fly Casual was intended to prevent win at all costs players from acting like this. It was intended to remind people that this game is supposed to be about having fun, not making little boys cry. I'm sorry that people have perverted it so. But it was always intended to be a reminder of the Golden Rule.

To be fair a lot of good points are being made here but I think that y'all are more or less arguing PAST each other rather than engaging WITH each other.

That is the nature of having a discussion on a forum. A lot of people just use these forums as a soap box. The majority of people don't wait around for 20+ minutes to hear other people's responses, and you don't get to gauge people's live honest reaction to what you've said, only their carefully measured and crafted response, assuming they even choose to respond to you at all. So everyone is constantly saying their piece and then dropping the microphone and walking away.

Having your post quoted in someone else's post is the closest you will get here to having a direct engagement with someone on a public forum.