The reason I ask, is that the forum appears to have exploded with apoplectic rage and entitled rants in the last few days, because peeps aren't happy with aesthetics/ship choice/ordnance fixes etc.

I always took Fly Casual to mean don't stress, don't be a ****, and have fun. The Wave 7 ships look like a lot of fun, with new mechanics (SLAM, Escape craft), A whole slew of new explody things, and a way to double your payload for 2 points. I think it is going to bring me and my gaming buddies many hours of fun and pleasure. Are folks really so disgruntled at four ships (out of loads), that they're considering quitting?

Does no-one play the game for fun anymore?

Fly casual has to do with play style and attitude in game, nothing says you can't be disappointed about news.

Some had high hopes this wave would make torps and missiles viable on everything I think they have a right to be a bit vocal in their disappointment.

This was what I predicted so I'm more meh than anything else.

What you must always bear in mind is that the vocal few on a forums don't represent the majority of players. People who are really hacked off are much more likely to post long and loud about how much they hate a thing as opposed to people who quite like a thing or aren't all that fussed who will generally stay silent.

Myself, I was quietly optimistic when the first leaked images came from the celebration the other day. When I read the article this morning on the FFG site I was immediately super excited. The Hounds Tooth, K Wing and Punisher look awesome. The Scum fighter whose name I can never get right looks less exciting on the face of it, but we don't know all about it yet - is there an S loop on that dial for example?

But the take away here is that just because a bunch if folk on a forum got all upset doesn't mean that the whole of the game community world wide is the same. All my friends are happy enough and we've been chattering excitedly all morning about the new stuff.

So, if I understand you correctly, OP:

If I complain about anything, however politely, I am no longer Flying Casual and am just a giant dickhead?

If I don't behave as the equivalent of an FFG fanboy or yes man, I am no longer playing the game to have fun, somehow?

So, if I understand you correctly, OP:

If I complain about anything, however politely, I am no longer Flying Casual and am just a giant dickhead?

If I don't behave as the equivalent of an FFG fanboy or yes man, I am no longer playing the game to have fun, somehow?

I think you're taking that way too personally. OP's question is based on the amount of rage etc he/she's seen lately. I'm sure that doesn't apply if you're politely voicing your dissatisfaction.

Don't take offense when none is meant.

Yes. I shot it.

"Fly Casual" has nothing to do with FFG product releases/policies/procedures/rules... it has to do with play style. "Fly Casual" is about ATTITUDE. "Fly Casual" is about how you treat yourself as well as others. "Fly Casual" is about placing mutual enjoyment of the XWM game experience over the selfish drive some players have to "win at all costs".

That said, "Fly Casual" has come under a lot of flak because some people have interpreted that to mean "don't fly to the best of your ability"... or ..."don't be competitive"... but that (IMO) has diddly-squat to do with "Fly Casual". To me, "Fly Casual" is about having not taking things (or yourself) so seriously and... most of all... have FUN! It IS a GAME, after all.

Fly Casual

*** Personally, I am a bit disappointed in FFG's choices for Wave 7 ships. There were a LOT more ships from the EU that I would have prefered (and I think most of the game's fan base would have preferred) over their choice of Rebel and Imperial ships; both of which (IMO) are on the fugly side. What we really wanted were more S&V and the long-awaited "fix" for ordnance... and for our **** Raider + TIE/Advanced fix. That said, FFG will probably get at least $30 from me for one of each said fugly ships...*sigh*... ***

Yes, just not for the reasons you have stated.

Yes, just not for the reasons you have stated.

No. If you want "Fly Casual" to exist, just "Fly Casual". It's not dead if you're doing it.

No our youtube channel is still up and running Fly Casual

It's probably the most horribly and inappropriately overused phrase on the forum anyway, as this thread shows. People have at various times taken it to mean:

1) Anybody trying to win isn't "flying casual"

2) Anybody that actual calls people on playing the rules correctly isn't "flying casual"

3) Anybody that complains or is unhappy about anything isn't "flying casual"

...among many other things.

I applaud the original vision of FC, but it has been dead on the forums for a while. Almost every thread i see bringing it up is just missing the point. It was originally purely a frame of mind for people to have fun. It didn't mean people that enforced the rules were "unsportsmanlike", it didnt say there was anything wrong with taking power lists to win tournaments, and it sure as hell had nothing to do with disliking releases.

FC is inside the player....if it's dead on the forums to the people misusing it, good riddance.

The reason I ask, is that the forum appears to have exploded with apoplectic rage and entitled rants in the last few days, because peeps aren't happy with aesthetics/ship choice/ordnance fixes etc.

I always took Fly Casual to mean don't stress, don't be a ****, and have fun. The Wave 7 ships look like a lot of fun, with new mechanics (SLAM, Escape craft), A whole slew of new explody things, and a way to double your payload for 2 points. I think it is going to bring me and my gaming buddies many hours of fun and pleasure. Are folks really so disgruntled at four ships (out of loads), that they're considering quitting?

Does no-one play the game for fun anymore?

Exploded with apoplectic rage? Entitled rants?

I can confirm, I DEFINITELY see somebody overreacting.

So, if I understand you correctly, OP:

If I complain about anything, however politely, I am no longer Flying Casual and am just a giant dickhead?

If I don't behave as the equivalent of an FFG fanboy or yes man, I am no longer playing the game to have fun, somehow?

I think you're taking that way too personally. OP's question is based on the amount of rage etc he/she's seen lately. I'm sure that doesn't apply if you're politely voicing your dissatisfaction.

Don't take offense when none is meant.

I'm sorry, but I'm a bit tired of this.

I made a single, polite, post in the Wave 7 spoiler thread that I was disappointed with the Extra Munitions card, as I was expecting a more far-reaching fix for ordnance. This was immediately called-out as a 'knee jerk reaction', and I was told i had a 'craptastic attitude' and was contributing to the downward spiral of the forums. Then I was accused of raging about the aesthetics of the new ships (which I didn't) and tearing apart the new ship mechanics (which I also didn't).

Because if you're not jumping up and down eager to sing praises for Fantasy Flight Games or willing to lie about your opinions & reactions to it's new products, I guess you're not 'Flying Casual'?

I'm not sure what that phrase means or meant, as I'm kind of late to the party as far as the forums go, but it can go right over a cliff if this is the mentality it endorses.

LOL <-------- Flying Casual

The reason I ask, is that the forum appears to have exploded with apoplectic rage and entitled rants in the last few days, because peeps aren't happy with aesthetics/ship choice/ordnance fixes etc.

I always took Fly Casual to mean don't stress, don't be a ****, and have fun. The Wave 7 ships look like a lot of fun, with new mechanics (SLAM, Escape craft), A whole slew of new explody things, and a way to double your payload for 2 points. I think it is going to bring me and my gaming buddies many hours of fun and pleasure. Are folks really so disgruntled at four ships (out of loads), that they're considering quitting?

Does no-one play the game for fun anymore?

You are not alone, there are millions of people who play for the fun and love of both STAR WARS and this awesome X-WING game.

The thing is they stay at home or go to small shops... far, far away from the meta-centric-tournament thing. These people are not going to come to a forum and argue with whole asses about the best way to play a game that they paid for just to enjoy more cool STAR WARS hobby goodies

You can enjoy all of the games and toys without ever reading anything posted here. Just like the films, books, and other cool stuff out there in the void.

I'm not sure what that phrase means or meant, as I'm kind of late to the party as far as the forums go, but it can go right over a cliff if this is the mentality it endorses.

Fly Casual is basically just a translation of the Golden Rule into X-wing: try to be the kind of player you'd want to invite back for a rematch. It was all about being an ambassador for the game.

It's mutated over the last couple of years, as memes tend to do when they pass through wetware. I have some feelings about that, none of which are really relevant to this thread because, as a "philosophy", Fly Casual is about behavior at tournament tables.

It does annoy me, though, when people tear down a game they pretend they like. You don't have to like any new product/expansion/what-have-you, but if you like and care about the game, there's going to be something in here that appeals to you. There are a lot of cool new mechanics and some interesting upgrades, so even if--just to pull a random example--you happen to think Extra Munitions is stupid and worthless, you can probably find something to be positive about right alongside the negative.

I don't really think anyone has anything so well-defined as a responsibility to find that something positive to say about the game, and I'm aware that you in particular have been specific about what makes you mad and why. (I can assume that everything else that's been previewed falls into either the "cool" category or the "wait and see" category for you.) But if you make negative posts when the tone of the forum in general has turned so negative so quickly, it doesn't seem fair to blame people for perceiving you as part of the problem.

I don't really think anyone has anything so well-defined as a responsibility to find that something positive to say about the game, and I'm aware that you in particular have been specific about what makes you mad and why. (I can assume that everything else that's been previewed falls into either the "cool" category or the "wait and see" category for you.) But if you make negative posts when the tone of the forum in general has turned so negative so quickly, it doesn't seem fair to blame people for perceiving you as part of the problem.

Alright, but on that same token it's unreasonable to paint with such a ridiculously large brush (not yourself in particular). I don't even see the problem, if I'm honest, or the 'downward spiral' - but perhaps that's because I haven't been here for whatever the golden era was.

X Wing is, to me, a toy. It's a fun toy, but just another toy produced by just another toy making company. I don't feel compelled to give it any better or worse treatment than I would give any equivalent system.

No. We only wish the forms claiming it is was...

The thing about "fly casual" as it's been hijacked by a group that has added "or else" to the end of it.

You can fly casual and still fly competitively. Flying casual is a state of mind not an excuse for sloppy play and shaming people who have fun only playing competitively.

To be fair a lot of good points are being made here but I think that y'all are more or less arguing PAST each other rather than engaging WITH each other.

The people who voice their opinions in measured, constructive ways are NOT the people that the OP was really referring to. Scroll down this forum every time there is an FFG announcement on the game and there will be at least two or three new threads with hyperbolic titles like 'Has *insert whatever the announcement or new mechanic is* just destroyed the game?' Heck, the day that the first wave 7 images were released from the celebration there was a thread that was titled 'Has FFG Jumped the Shark?' This is the sort of overreaction that flies in the face of the spirit of the game for me - as someone else said, people professing to like a game but ready to throw all their toys out of the pram at the slightest hint that something has changed that they don't like the look of. Another case in point - how many threads moaning about the 'nerf' to the Phantom in the newest rules? And I've tried it, it isn't a 'nerf' it's a reasonable adjustment that simply alters the way that the ship is used and can be countered.

Similarly, there *are* people who will simply stick their fingers in their ears and say 'LALALALALA FFG ARE PERFECT ANYONE WHO DISAGREES IS A HATER' and they are equally annoying because they attempt to stifle any sort of debate whatsoever. The irony is that in this very thread you basically have all the moderates who are content to go 'I like this, I don't like that and overall I am happy to play the game and just stick to the stuff I like' arguing PAST each other about the two extreme ends of the spectrum, who themselves are nowhere to be seen here because they are busy on all the 'Wave 7 sucks and now I am going to sell my entire collection so FFG can suck it' threads.

Fly Casual is alive and well - it's represented here by all the people who are demonstrating that they each have their own reasonable opinions and views on the game and its mechanics and are frustrated by the people on both extreme ends of the spectrum. So let's just all have a big group hug, carry on discussing what we like and dislike about a game of pushing tiny plastic spaceships around a board and rolling dice, and chill our beans.

Can I get a hell yeah?

Yes, this exactly. you cannot voice an opinion in the negative on these forums anymore.

Thereby leaving you to do the impossible in this very post!

For the record: I love Xwing, I like FFG, and I hate this wave. My opinion is as valid as anyone else's.

Hate is a pretty strong emotion to waste on a game.

I can't speak for anyone else, but personally I'm annoyed with you because you can't seem to find anything positive to say about the game in the last few days, and because you were one of the first people to leap on the "I won't be buying any more X-wing because I don't think the K-wing is pretty!" bandwagon.

So you don't like this wave? That sucks for you, because I think you're going to be missing out on some fun. Hopefully the next one will make you happier.

Flying Cash isn't dead .. that's right .. I'm so cash I don't even use the more formal casual.

In my household, you'll only find Trilogy ships and lads/lasses here to talk nonsense, swill wet stuff and roll some dice. Who wins? Who cares? Did we have fun? .. Hells yes!

I'm sure there are a million other folk out there with this same mentality.

Flying cash will never be dead.

I've said this before. I do not and will not believe in Fly Casual. If you go back to hothie's original post, he talks about Flying Casual as separating yourselves from anyone remotely competitive and actually insults anyone who plays with a competitive spirit. Fly Casual is merely just an elitist attitude poorly masked by the idea of having fun. Over time it has been polluted worse than it already was by people who missed the original idea hothie was going for. The original concept itself was incredibly vague, hence there being people saying they are Flying Casual but doing and acting completely opposite from another person Flying Casual.

Vorpal Sword touched on it a bit but in my mind, "Fly Casual" is almost completely divorced from feelings about new releases, news, etc. The whole campaign was started to keep the playing environment (tournaments included) fun and inviting. I wear the shirt to get a laugh and to let other players know that even if it's down to the wire, we're all here to have fun.

If someone's unhappy with a ship, they can still "Fly Casual". While I personally love the new ships (K-wing 4eva!!!) I can't say that because you don't you're doing it wrong.

@Groggy - It makes me incredibly sad to hear you say that. I can't say that I agree with your interpretation of Hothie's original post but I'm still bummed that it's been so negative for you. Have your bad "Fly Casual" experiences been with people IRL or just on the forums?