I'm sorry?

Because?

T/A X1 with AC or ATC is roughly 2 hits per attack roll, average.

That is statistically close to a 3 dice roll with a single modification (either F or TL). The TIE Avenger would probably have an Attack rating of 3, like the X-W, T/I and T/D, plus one action to modify it. That takes us close to the T/A X1.

It's an agile ship, so 3 agility seems right.

So, I say "non-statwise, it isn't". And your response is to quote a bunch of game stats?

Besides, all those stats neglect the most important difference the two ships would have. And that's the maneuver dial. The Advanced's dial is actually WORSE that the basic TIE Fighter's. The Avenger's dial would potentially be an upgrade over even the Interceptor's.

At their core, despite sharing a prototype designation, the TIE Advance x1 is a TIE Fighter with shields and missiles. The TIE Avenger is a TIE Interceptor with shield and missiles. That makes the Advanced x1 and Avenger as different as the Fighter and Interceptor themselves.

Oh, I misunderstood your "Yes but non-statwise it isn't." Too many Yeses and nons and nots together, I guess.

I actually agree with everything you said there. I think I read somewhere that in the lore, the TIE Interceptor was finally a cheap version of the TIE Avenger, even when in the games the T/I precedes the T/A.

@Evanger: Most people (me included) are sure FFG isn't going to to any Rebels stuff, because they only bought the rights for the OT and the Expanded Universe. And I don't think they wanna mess up the two continueties by putting ships of Disney Canon into a game based on OT and Legends Canon as long as there are plenty of ships in the EU/Legends.

Frankly, I agree in terms of style/aesthetics. I personally much prefer the OT and (now Legends) EU to the Clone Wars, Prequels, or even Rebels.

At the In Flight report last years GenCon, the CEO specifically stated that there is nothing stopping them doing ships from Rebels and that they would do so if there was one they wanted to include. He went on to say that if they included them, it would be in a "realistic" form, not highly stylised like they are in the show.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnrlBSvzxuU

Thanks for that insight. I missed it somehow along the way.

I suspect the "Rule of Cool" almost guarantees us a TIE Avenger.

Cool name, cool look = sales

They can work some game design magic to make it fit, if necessary.

I agree that they'd need to ensure it isn't just another TIE Advanced, however.

I like the notion of letting the maneuver dial create and upgrade bar create some of this separation.

I'm skeptical of it showing up, and if it does, it will probably be in an aces style (which means not anytime soon since we just got an advanced fix).

That said, I'm not opposed to it showing up.

Guys your forgetting about one thing:

Wave VIII is roughly set to hit by the end of the year.

Episode VII hits in december.

My guess we will see this new Xwing from Force Awakens along with long due fix to normal Xwing.

Its only way they can release fixes for xwing (besides some rebel aces2) that makes sense.

I suspect we'll be seeing that new X-wing as well (and new TIEs?).

I bet they'll be in a re-vamped starter set or some kind of "Most Wanted" analog. Maybe?

The cool part is, they will surely announce Ep. 7 intentions at GenCon. I think!

Guys your forgetting about one thing:

Wave VIII is roughly set to hit by the end of the year.

Episode VII hits in december.

My guess we will see this new Xwing from Force Awakens along with long due fix to normal Xwing.

Its only way they can release fixes for xwing (besides some rebel aces2) that makes sense.

I suspect we'll be seeing that new X-wing as well (and new TIEs?).

I bet they'll be in a re-vamped starter set or some kind of "Most Wanted" analog. Maybe?

The cool part is, they will surely announce Ep. 7 intentions at GenCon. I think!

As Tipperary pointed out, Wave 8 was already mostly done by February 2014, so though it's possible, I doubt Ep7 stuff will be in Wave 8.

Could be an aces type thing maybe, though I'd be perfectly content if Ep7 ships never happened.

I don't think Wave 8 will feature Episode 7 stuff. I would expect that to be more of a wave 9 thing. Basically, I espect them to preview wave 8 tomorrow at Gen Con, and this would be too early to be giving us a look at 4 or more Episode 7 ships. (I say 4 because I would expect that if a future wave features new trilogy ships, it'll be way more than just 1 or two... so likely a full wave.)

I expect that when they DO tease some episode 7 ships - it'll be in a large wave and will be teased MUCH closer to the film being released. Likely wave 9, and maybe teased a wee bit early, perhaps late December. Basically, they will probably want us to see these ships in action on the big screen before we get hyped up to buy their miniatures.

Just my 2 cents.

Here's hoping Wave 8 has all the ships we want.

I'm hoping wave 8 throws a prequel movie ship at us, namely the V-wing. Not hoping Too much of course. And the only reason I am hoping at all is to see if all the people who said they'd leave the game if prequel stuff was in it really meant it. As a social experiment in intrigued by the data it could produce.

For game play purposes though I'm hoping for a sick new rebel fighter. Or a old dogs style Y-wing and Z95 aces pack

With the in-flight report being just over 24 hours away, here is what i think will happen:

Wave 8 will be announced. There will also be an announcement concerning a whole slew of Episode VII stand alone (but fully compatible) expansions. That means new starters for X-wing - which isn't a bad idea, since so many people bought multiple starters anyway, and could include more advanced rules, as well as new starter sets for imperial assault and the LCG.

The episode VII product will be sold at the same time as the reat of the stuff, it would be worked on in secret and fear kept people in line - losing a job and lawsuit.

Considering we know most the toy releases, if not all the details, and those start selling september 4th, FFG announcing plans for episode VII material is not far fetched. FFG will not reveal anything new for the movie, and even if they did, it will be an image of the model of a new ship, but no details as to what it is.

Maybe they do with Episode VII stuff the same as they did with The Hobbit stuff in their The Lord of the Rings LCG.

In that game, the timeframe is the War of the Ring. However, they brought two special expansions focused on the Hobbit events that came with their own special rules, meant to be both played in a thematic way, without using LOTR-era stuff that doesn't fit there; but also in a "everything goes" way where you can mix whatever you want.

In that respect, I think they could bring a Sequels Cycle deluxe expansion, as big as a core set, with special Ep7 pilots and ships, and plenty of scenarios, cardboard, and stuff planned to be played withing the sequels' era; maybe with a list of "legacy" ships and cards that aren't allowed in the sequels' era.

For example, all dead characters would be banned, all out-of-place ships also banned or severely restricted (Biggs, Porkins, Needa, Tarking, Palpatine, Vader, the TIE Phantom, TIE Defender, etc). And then maybe they would come with periodic (once a year) minor expansion packs for the Sequels Cycle, with the new ships and characters.

I'm hoping wave 8 throws a prequel movie ship at us, namely the V-wing. Not hoping Too much of course. And the only reason I am hoping at all is to see if all the people who said they'd leave the game if prequel stuff was in it really meant it. As a social experiment in intrigued by the data it could produce.

For game play purposes though I'm hoping for a sick new rebel fighter. Or a old dogs style Y-wing and Z95 aces pack

It's the only Prequel ship I want in the game. The V-wing is a cool ship, but it's definitely not at the top of my priorities.

TIE Avenger ... has a great name.

You think so? I think it's a rubbish name. I had this same argument over on the Star Citizen forums about the names of some Aegis ships like the Retaliator and their own Avenger. Both names imlpy that you've had a defeat, that you're on the backfoot. It doesn't sound like you're kick-arse, unbeatable, which is, in my opinion, a better vibe for weapon names to be giving off.

TIE Avenger ... has a great name.

You think so? I think it's a rubbish name. I had this same argument over on the Star Citizen forums about the names of some Aegis ships like the Retaliator and their own Avenger. Both names imlpy that you've had a defeat, that you're on the backfoot. It doesn't sound like you're kick-arse, unbeatable, which is, in my opinion, a better vibe for weapon names to be giving off.

IMO TIE SHIELD is a better name (dun dun tshh)

TIE Avenger ... has a great name.

You think so? I think it's a rubbish name. I had this same argument over on the Star Citizen forums about the names of some Aegis ships like the Retaliator and their own Avenger. Both names imlpy that you've had a defeat, that you're on the backfoot. It doesn't sound like you're kick-arse, unbeatable, which is, in my opinion, a better vibe for weapon names to be giving off.

IMO TIE SHIELD is a better name (dun dun tshh)

Your mum's a better name.

TIE Avenger ... has a great name.

You think so? I think it's a rubbish name. I had this same argument over on the Star Citizen forums about the names of some Aegis ships like the Retaliator and their own Avenger. Both names imlpy that you've had a defeat, that you're on the backfoot. It doesn't sound like you're kick-arse, unbeatable, which is, in my opinion, a better vibe for weapon names to be giving off.

IMO TIE SHIELD is a better name (dun dun tshh)

Your mum's a better name.

TIE Hydra?

TIE Avenger ... has a great name.

You think so? I think it's a rubbish name. I had this same argument over on the Star Citizen forums about the names of some Aegis ships like the Retaliator and their own Avenger. Both names imlpy that you've had a defeat, that you're on the backfoot. It doesn't sound like you're kick-arse, unbeatable, which is, in my opinion, a better vibe for weapon names to be giving off.

Tony Stark and I disagree with you.

It's an objectively awesome name.

TIE Avenger ... has a great name.

You think so? I think it's a rubbish name. I had this same argument over on the Star Citizen forums about the names of some Aegis ships like the Retaliator and their own Avenger. Both names imlpy that you've had a defeat, that you're on the backfoot. It doesn't sound like you're kick-arse, unbeatable, which is, in my opinion, a better vibe for weapon names to be giving off.

Tony Stark and I disagree with you.

It's an objectively awesome name.

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TIE Hydra?

Your mum was the Hydra?!

Hulk, on the other hand, SMASH.

TIE Avenger ... has a great name.

You think so? I think it's a rubbish name. I had this same argument over on the Star Citizen forums about the names of some Aegis ships like the Retaliator and their own Avenger. Both names imlpy that you've had a defeat, that you're on the backfoot. It doesn't sound like you're kick-arse, unbeatable, which is, in my opinion, a better vibe for weapon names to be giving off.

Tony Stark and I disagree with you.

It's an objectively awesome name.

Is that Ned Stark's brother?

Personally, I think it would be cool if the Avenger followed the Defender's example of a dial that does something really interesting(like S-Loops, or maybe even...white S-Loops), but lacks green banks.

In that way, it becomes another ship with a crazy maneuver, that makes good use of the Mk. II Ion Engine.

Here's hoping Wave 8 has all the ships we want.

I dunno man. TIE Aggressor, Oppressor, Hunter and Avenger all in one wave?

I mean, I know that's what people want. But I'd still feel a little bad for the other factions.

I just want one prequel or clone wars ship. I don't know if I can handle another wave that includes obscure EU ships. And I don't want sequel ships just yet. Since the hounds tooth has clone wars pilots I'm hoping it's a good sign.

The cool part is, they will surely announce Ep. 7 intentions at GenCon. I think!

As Tipperary pointed out, Wave 8 was already mostly done by February 2014, so though it's possible, I doubt Ep7 stuff will be in Wave 8.

Could be an aces type thing maybe, though I'd be perfectly content if Ep7 ships never happened.

They're making a wierd assumption that FFG started the wave as usual and then slotted EpVII stuff into place when they got access. I'm not convinced that would work, contrary to popular belief most abilities /are/ highly thematic and not the easiest to swap between pilots, and I don't know how long their modeling process takes, but I sort of doubt it only takes up a little bit of the end of the dev cycle.