I'm almost 100% sure that this has been covered, but I can't find anything on it.

Could somebody please take the time to explain Echo's decloaking rules?

Cheers

Baaa

Echo decloaks the same as Whisper.

But instead of a 2 straight you use the 2 bank template instead. Also if playing by the competitive rules you must declare both the side, left/right/front you will decloak as well if the template the left or right bank.

But instead of a 2 straight you use the 2 bank template instead. Also if playing by the competitive rules you must declare both the side, left/right/front you will decloak as well if the template the left or right bank.

In other words, you need to declare one of the following 6 decloak options:

• Left, backwards
• Left, forwards
• Ahead, left
• Ahead, right
• Right, forwards
• Right, backwards

I'm not sure which part of Echo's decloaking rules you're having trouble understanding, so you'll have to be more precise if you want a more in depth explanation.

It's really very simple in actual use, it is just the implications of it that boggle the mind.

Instead of using the straight-2 template when you do your decloak move, you use the bank-2 template instead. Now, since it is a bank, it can be placed so that it curves in 2 different directions. So instead of just having to decide whether to decloak left, right or center, you have to decide whether to decloak left-back, left-forward, forward-left, forward-right, right-back or right forward. So there are twice as many possible directions, but you still do it the same as ever. Take the template and put one end against the ship's base, pick up the ship and move it to the other end of the template.

Trying to visualize where you are going to actually end up after the movement is devilishly tricky, but the actual mechanics of the decloak don't change, just the template you are supposed to use.

Thanks for the replies, they're much appreciated.

Apologies, I should have been more specific. What I'm looking at is -

Echo; PTL, Advanced Sensors, ACD.

Can I use the Barrel Roll when decloaking, or do I have to use the boost action?

Also, would this work?

Decloak

PTL - Cloak, Focus (take stress)

Reveal movement - Green (lose stress)

Shooting/Defending

Recloak (if not dead or stressed)

Or have I just made that sequence up?

Cheers

Baaa

You cannot perform the same action twice in one round, so you can't cloak the second time.

Edit: and, as klutz says below, that sequence has you cloaked in the attack phase so you can't attack.

Thanks for the replies, they're much appreciated.

Apologies, I should have been more specific. What I'm looking at is -

Echo; PTL, Advanced Sensors, ACD.

Can I use the Barrel Roll when decloaking, or do I have to use the boost action?

Also, would this work?

Decloak

PTL - Cloak, Focus (take stress)

Reveal movement - Green (lose stress)

Shooting/Defending

Recloak (if not dead or stressed)

Or have I just made that sequence up?

Cheers

Baaa

As Forgottenlore pointed out, you can't perform the cloak action from ACD if you've already performed a cloak action this round.

But that's kind of a moot point, since you can't attack if you're cloaked, therefore there's no way to trigger ACD if you're cloaked!

Thanks for the replies, they're much appreciated.

Apologies, I should have been more specific. What I'm looking at is -

Echo; PTL, Advanced Sensors, ACD.

Can I use the Barrel Roll when decloaking, or do I have to use the boost action?

Also, would this work?

Decloak

PTL - Cloak, Focus (take stress)

Reveal movement - Green (lose stress)

Shooting/Defending

Recloak (if not dead or stressed)

Or have I just made that sequence up?

Cheers

Baaa

You made that sequence up, BECAUSE:

You cannot shoot while cloaked

You cannot perform a Cloak action while stressed.

However, This sequence works:

Decloak

Advanced Sensors -> Focus

Reveal Maneuver (non-red)

Attack

Re-Cloak ->PTL -> Barrel-Roll out of arc

However, Advanced Sensors aren't as powerful here, as you'd only be able to use them when you don't PTL.

I'd prefer the following build:

Echo/Whisper

+ PTL

+ ACD

+ Int Agent

+ Sensor Jammer

Int Agent and Decloak trigger simultaneously, so you can either look at a dial in Range 1-2 of your current position and decloak with that knowledge, or decloak into range 1-2 of a target and look at their dial.

And you still get the rest of the combo I mentioned, but with the action after a green maneuver.

Interestingly, if you used PTL + Stygium Particle Accelerator + Int Agent, you get to PTL + Barrel Roll as a result of decloaking, giving the combo even MORE power.

Thanks again; I'd rather make an arse of myself by making things up here, than in a game.

Much appreciated.

Cheers

Baaa

Thanks for the replies, they're much appreciated.

Apologies, I should have been more specific. What I'm looking at is -

Echo; PTL, Advanced Sensors, ACD.

Can I use the Barrel Roll when decloaking, or do I have to use the boost action?

Also, would this work?

Decloak

PTL - Cloak, Focus (take stress)

Reveal movement - Green (lose stress)

Shooting/Defending

Recloak (if not dead or stressed)

Or have I just made that sequence up?

Cheers

Baaa

You made that sequence up, BECAUSE:

You cannot shoot while cloaked

You cannot perform a Cloak action while stressed.

However, This sequence works:

Decloak

Advanced Sensors -> Focus

Reveal Maneuver (non-red)

Attack

Re-Cloak ->PTL -> Barrel-Roll out of arc

However, Advanced Sensors aren't as powerful here, as you'd only be able to use them when you don't PTL.

I'd prefer the following build:

Echo/Whisper

+ PTL

+ ACD

+ Int Agent

+ Sensor Jammer

Int Agent and Decloak trigger simultaneously, so you can either look at a dial in Range 1-2 of your current position and decloak with that knowledge, or decloak into range 1-2 of a target and look at their dial.

And you still get the rest of the combo I mentioned, but with the action after a green maneuver.

Interestingly, if you used PTL + Stygium Particle Accelerator + Int Agent, you get to PTL + Barrel Roll as a result of decloaking, giving the combo even MORE power.

Couple things wrong with your answer, Dracon...

Concerning Advanced Sensors and PTL...

His sequence specifically states that he performs a green maneuver.

Which means he can very well use Adv. Sensors and PTL to perform 2 actions, take a stress, then perform a green maneuver and clear the stress.

Then, since he's not stressed, he can attack (if he isn't cloaked) and re-cloak with ACD.

He obviously can't trigger PTL a second time since it has a "once per round clause".

AdvSensors and PTL is a very potent combo, if you're planning on performing a green maneuver.

Concerning Intel Agent and Decloak...

"Int Agent and Decloak trigger simultaneously" is straight up false.

The new FAQ specifically states : "At the start of the Activation phase, after players have resolved all other abilities that trigger at the start of the Activation phase"

The only thing that ever triggers at the same time as decloak, is another decloak. And those are handled from lowest to highest PS, with initiative breaking ties.

.... What I'm looking at is -

Echo; PTL, Advanced Sensors, ACD.

Can I use the Barrel Roll when decloaking, or do I have to use the boost action?

Also, would this work?

Decloak

PTL - Cloak, Focus (take stress)

Reveal movement - Green (lose stress)

Shooting/Defending

Recloak (if not dead or stressed)

Or have I just made that sequence up?

...

As per the latest FAQ Decloaking is going to happen long before you get to perform any actions and is not an action itself.

Now you could:

1. Decloak during the start of the activation phase.

2. Use Advanced Sensors to perform actions before you reveal your dial.

2.1. Perform Cloak Action, trigger PtL

2.2. Perform free action from PtL, here you are using Focus action, and gain Stress token.

3. Reveal maneuver and if Green you would lose the stress.

4. Because you are cloaked you may NOT attack and thus would never trigger ACD.

To alter this:

2.1. Perform Focus Action, Trigger PtL.

2.2. Perform Barrel Roll or Evade w/ free action from PtL and gain Stress Token.

3. Reveal Green Maneuver and clear one Stress token.

4. Perform your attack and trigger ACD.

5. Perform Cloak Action from ACD (note that if you had NOT used PtL earlier you could use it here but would be Stress going into next turn although that does NOT prevent you from decloaking.

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Couple things wrong with your answer, Dracon...

Concerning Advanced Sensors and PTL...

My commenting on Adv S was in response to my usage of the combo.

Using it to PTL before a green maneuver definitely works.

The new FAQ specifically states : "At the start of the Activation phase, after players have resolved all other abilities that trigger at the start of the Activation phase"

Didn't catch that phrasing. My bad.

Still, IA lets you decloak with the knowledge of maneuver, so its still quite potent